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just wanna say, be very careful with these... (Mario/Kirby Stars - PIPERAZINES!)

BiG StroOnZ said:
I'm wondering why these presses that are extremely detailed and well made all contain Piperazines...
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Because if you're looking at 2 pills - one has rough edges and is inconsistent (which actually describes the 200mg MDMA only tabs I've had lately), the other is well pressed, detailed, and unique in shape, which one are you more likely to get?

The one with MDMA in it. Duh.

How about with someone who hasn't rolled before and has no idea (somebody very young)?

The one that looks nice to them. The one with their generation's icons on them (homer simpson, bart simpson, obama, pokemon, transformers, kirby, etc). And I'm pretty sure all of these are going to be piperazines - it's indirect marketing of drugs behind icons to people.

The best rolls I've ever had are very simple - tan, brown, or pink star shaped like the OP's. However, it was just a star, and they were inconsistent - some would be crumbly, others not, the color even varied with every color (there were some lighter and darker tan ones, there were also very light pink and very dark pink ones as well). However, every single last one of them only have 200mg MDMA and are all very impressive.

To the OP: you may want to invest in a testing kit next time. If your BF would leave you for doing MDMA, you may want to leave him for being closed minded. It's understandable he doesn't want to go through what he did again, but now you know better and you really shouldn't ever have to go through that again.

I'm sorry about your negative experience, however this is why I always research Pill Reports, or at least get a vouch of what they are before doing a roll. And, it's better not to just get 1 person's report, but many. Knowing a group of experienced rollers will really help - because though some rollers wouldn't know the difference between a legit MD_ chemical and other widely substituted roll ingedients; there will be some rollers who will know.

Once again, sorry about everything, and am glad you're still with us.

Link_S said:
A mate of mine died on them, they were much worse than normal pips, hospitalized doezens in leeds
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Did they run a tox screen pre/post mortem? If so, what did he test positive for?
 
Captain.Heroin my point is that the people who are making these are obviously doing it for some other agenda not pertaining to making money. Perhaps flooding the "Ecstasy" market with fairly dangerous pills. That are appealing to the eye, but can be deadly, which can cause fatalities. Therefore in turn causing a rise in propaganda fueled against MDMA.

If they made those same designs that have been coming from Piperazines lately, but containing MDMA instead, this would make sense. The issue here is that as you stated, most of the better pills you have had in the past that were clean or contained mostly MDMA were rather plain looking. I agree, most of the simpler presses for myself also have been better. However, newer people to the scene or those beginning to experiment with MDxx or Ecstasy will obviously go with the pill that looks more "professional" therefore thinking it will then actually contain MDMA. This is where my skepticism begins, because these pills are rather complex or complicated presses. They are being distributed on a mass scale all over the world from the UK to the USA. This is peculiar.
 
BiG StroOnZ said:
Captain.Heroin my point is that the people who are making these are obviously doing it for some other agenda not pertaining to making money. Perhaps flooding the "Ecstasy" market with fairly dangerous pills. That are appealing to the eye, but can be deadly, which can cause fatalities. Therefore in turn causing a rise in propaganda fueled against MDMA.

If they made those same designs that have been coming from Piperazines lately, but containing MDMA instead, this would make sense. The issue here is that as you stated, most of the better pills you have had in the past that were clean or contained mostly MDMA were rather plain looking. I agree, most of the simpler presses for myself also have been better. However, newer people to the scene or those beginning to experiment with MDxx or Ecstasy will obviously go with the pill that looks more "professional" therefore thinking it will then actually contain MDMA. This is where my skepticism begins, because these pills are rather complex or complicated presses. They are being distributed on a mass scale all over the world from the UK to the USA. This is peculiar.
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I understand your point a little bit better now. And I do agree, that is essentially it - people do these things because it keeps "ecstasy" as being "dangerous", whereas MDMA is not "danger free" but is a lot less dangerous than PMA, and some piperazines, etc.

You do bring up the peculiarity of why the worst rolls would have a more "professional look" to them. I could probably suggest my latest theory - that death is an industry, and it is doing well. Overpopulation is a constant threat to the world, and the US is least threatened by this due to a lower birth rate when compared to most other 3rd world countries.

Ways the United States keeps the birth rate down are many and perverse; legalizing alcohol and tobacco and illegalizing most other drugs was one of the first ways to guarantee less people living in our society. Another would pertain to the war on drugs in itself, due to the fact that drugs are much safer when sold in known quantities and purities.

And now, we can go so far as to say that there are people producing dangerous rolls (whose active ingredients aren't MDMA or anything even close to it) and making money isn't their only agenda - it's to kill people. Specifically race supremacists or nationalists are likely to think that Darwinism extends to helping others kill themselves off with inferior products - i.e. in this situation, dangerous rolls.

I could easily see someone thinking they are doing society and the world a favor by producing piperazine containing rolls - whoever dies at the hands of piperazines, or PMA, or a huge meth overdose, whatever have you - the people producing these rolls for motives other than profit would see their society as "better" because they think killing off drug addicts is their little way of helping out.

This wouldn't be the first time this has happened either - Tchort posted a great thread on levamisole in cocaine - it's being cut with levamisole before leaving Columbia.

So I'm not really surprised here, but definitely making the connection does make reality seem pretty grim - people taking a roll or two shouldn't have to fear dying or adverse effects (when there's already a very small chance of people who have adverse effects to MDMA as is).
 
Honestly, while I feel bad for the OP and hope she's feeling well, I'm not really going to blame the dealers anymore. It really shouldn't come to a suprise to anyone that someone out there likes money more than he likes them. There are a abundance of people who don't give a shit about anyone. Rather than rely on someone somewhere caring more about you having a good time than making easy cash is silly.

If everyone stopped buying pipes today they would all be gone in less than 2 months and everyone who sold them would be stuck with a bunch of shitty pills.
People will sell whatever people will buy, pretty much common sense
 
Link_S said:
A mate of mine died on them, they were much worse than normal pips, hospitalized doezens in leeds
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Jesus, that's awful man, sorry to hear that. :( :|

It fucking sucked cos we actually had some read MDMA that night and thought "ayyy let's get the pill rush in first" :! :!

Yuck yuck yuck. God knows what was in them cos they seem infamously terrible. I'll never take another piperazine pill again and try and test as much as possible nowadays.
 
AMTDan said:
Honestly, while I feel bad for the OP and hope she's feeling well, I'm not really going to blame the dealers anymore. It really shouldn't come to a suprise to anyone that someone out there likes money more than he likes them. There are a abundance of people who don't give a shit about anyone. Rather than rely on someone somewhere caring more about you having a good time than making easy cash is silly.

If everyone stopped buying pipes today they would all be gone in less than 2 months and everyone who sold them would be stuck with a bunch of shitty pills.
People will sell whatever people will buy, pretty much common sense
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QFT. The dealers are only interested in your money, period. And, there are people out there that don't give a damn what they're ingesting, as long as they get "fucked up". They've told me this before. Until we can have some consensus between the two, we will continue down this rotten path we are on.

I'm putting on my broken record: BUY A TESTING KIT. RESEARCH PR & BL BEFORE YOU BUY.

Be safe, not dead. :(
 
a lot of kids liked these in queens...i tryed to tell them but they said they felt too good so they didnt care what it was they just knew they were fucked up..my friend took 3 of the hot pink ones at once and almost died, was tripping for like 3 days after a bunch of crazy shit.
 
I'm in the Bay Area, California and the yellow Mario/Kirby stars have popped up. I don't do this scene at all, I'm more of an OC kind of guy but I saw a bottle of these at a friends house and he gave me a couple.

I didn't bother asking what they were for whatever reason, I just assume he wouldn't try and kill me. I came here and to pillreports and it appears that these pipers are shitty and so on.

Where can you even get a test kit? I don't want to take these but I think a kit would be handy in the future.

Anyone know if the yellow ones are the same as the reds or if it's a different recipe?

Thanks a lot,
from a lurker and new poster
 
Jarp said:
I didn't bother asking what they were for whatever reason, I just assume he wouldn't try and kill me. I came here and to pillreports and it appears that these pipers are shitty and so on.

Where can you even get a test kit? I don't want to take these but I think a kit would be handy in the future.

Anyone know if the yellow ones are the same as the reds or if it's a different recipe?
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Nexttime you should of asked, though most of the time what you are told, is false, it would of still given you an idea.
pillreports.com would possibly help you out if you do a search for the same pills in your area and try to find well reports with test results, and pics, and look for the reports with comments of people saying it was a well written report.

You can get a test kit here

http://www.eztest.com/shop/

Most cutout pills are bunk, and mostlikely, the yellow ones are just as shitty as the red/pink ones, but i cannot say forsure.
 
yeah the yellow one's have no reaction to e tests and are pipes like the red ones. They make you have a shitty trip instead of a good roll
 
I agree, stay as far away as possible from these. And if someone is trying to sell them, knock them upside the fucking head for moving this poison. I took one knowing it was a pipe, just to see what it was like. It was somewhat enjoyable for the first 30-40 minutes of the high, but then the negative outweighed the positive. My stomach felt queezy, the muscles in my back kept tensing up for no reason and I had to keep intentionally relaxing the muscles. It reminded me of coming down off dirty acid. I was stuck awake all night, nothing was enjoyable. The next day was the worst, sore as hell, stomach still hurt, I had a horrible head ache, and I had to force myself to eat, etc. In short I ended up having to take care of myself that day more than I EVER have after popping. Usually all it takes is a bowl, some fresh air and food and I'm good to go. It was about 24-25 hours after I took the pill that I felt somewhat ok again.

Now for the other horror stories. A friend of mine took two, the next day he was also bed ridden throwing up water as soon as he got it down.
 
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:daaaamn i got offered these last night.. i was like nah fuck that i already got dicked over by the pink ones:X
 
I was given these maybe a few months back. But i didnt take them thanks to pill reports. I had an awful experience with some ducks that I had gotten and was suspected to have pipes in them. I though I was going to die also, like it was the end for me last almost 8hrs before I could barely get to sleep and I felt so shitty for the next couple of day....

Pipes are the worst... at least when your expecting something else
 
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