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I want to try extraction using 99.5% isopropyl alcohol for the first time. I was curious to know about your experiences with that solvent. What methods worked best. What was the average yield.

Any input would be appreciated :)
 
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i've been reading up on this extensively for about the past week, so i will share with you what i have learned.

the higher percentage the alcohol, the faster the dry, however, it makes for less potent hash as the stronger solvent extracts more "nasties" than a weaker solvent. this can be remedied by doing a shorter wash. most washes are 30 seconds. maybe try 20.

yield depends on what kind of bud is used. super dank bud is gonna have more yield than stems and fan leaves simply because there are more trichomes to be dissolved.

my method is to used frozen material, i hear it slows the extraction of chlorophyll. have all your materials ready so you don't accidentally prolong the wash. put the material in a glass jar (some plastics may be dissolved by the alcohol, i know my polyurethane table top was eaten up by it >:(. fill the jar with enough alcohol to just cover the material. shake it up for about 30 seconds.

now its time to filter.

i pour the material through a metal screen type filter to separate the plant matter from the alcohol. then its through two coffee filters to further separate the two. it takes about 5 minutes for my stuff to filter through the coffee filters all the way, that's why i go through the screen first so as not to extract more nasties than i entended.

after that i let it dry with a fan out in my garage. i've never heated it but i hear it makes for a faster dry. if you decide you want to fan dry you may want to find a way to fix a filter to it so as not to blow any dirt into your stuff...



hope i helped a little bit
 
most important things to remember when doing oil extractions with weed ;

1) you DONT NEED high quality stuff, its actually a waste.
2) patience *WILL* make the difference between a weak or potent finished product.



take an oz of Shake, if u cant get shake, get an oz of the cheapest stuff u can, if $'s not a problem, use an oz of outdoor, its way better than indoor mids or regs b/c its got more trichoms, n thats what youre after. Get a long metel or steel Pipe thats hollow and open on both ends, its gotta be at least 3" wide, n thats the hole alone. Basically its easy from here, you grind the shit out of your bud til its POWDER if u can, put it in the pipe, and pour 99.9 iso into it JUST until it fills up to the same level as the bud, seal the other end of the pipe, and shake around for a few minutes then leave it over night, shake it again/leave it and repeat, shake every 8-12 hrs, and by shake i mean more just move it around, you want the oil to suck out all of the goodness in the bud matter(trichomes, oils, etc), wait at LEAST 4days, you can wait up to 10days, this will give you a better finished product. Now when youre ready, open 1 of the ends and pour it all out directly into a fine, but obviously not TOO Fine strainer, fine enuf that no huge plant matter is gonna get thru, but not too fine that its not even straining. Leave it n let it do its thing, wen its no longer dripping, move the plant matter around wit a spoon or w/e, press it, basically u wanna get ALL that last bit of juice out of the bud. Now the buds useless, trash that.

Now, youve got your Oil, you need to Evaporate the ISO out of it, leaving you with a very nice thick oil.

You want to pour it out into a PYREX* dish, youre going to want the level of oil to be as thin as possible, obviously so it dehydrates quicker, now u just wait... after a good 38-48 hrs, come back with a razor and start scraping youre extremely potent product.


ORRRR, you cook it off on the stove, this will leave you with an even more potent product, you basically put the oil in a ban on a stove top set to the LOWEST SETTING of heat you have, ITS EXTREMELY DANGEROUS IF YOURE AN IDIOT, when ISO catches flame, the flames Clear, if you have ne on your clothes/arms hands, you wont know your burning/caught on fire til your skins falling off.. SO VERY LOW HEAT, stay with it at the stove, itll take 20+mins, like ketamine, the slower slower, the better and more product youll endup with.


obviously do alot more research.

Good luck
 
Ive done my fair share of solvent extractions. Honestly, the best solvent for me has been acetone or very high grade petroleum ether. I have tried 200 proof lab grade ethanol and isopropyl and both worked well but not as good as the acetone of P. ether. What i usually do is put the weed in a coffee grinder and grind till its dust. Then put in a jar and add the solvent of choice. Spin the jar around agitating the solvent and the bud. Then filter out the bud and wring all the solvent out. If you want you can do another pull on the weed but the yeild from second pulls IME is neglegible. Then just put the solvent in a shallow pan evaperate and scrape up. This method usually doesn't yeild that much weight but the product is pretty potent%)
 
yea, i don't think that matters. You will probably have to let it evaperate longer because there will be more moisture in the solvent cannibinoid mix. I cant see why the plant material would have to be dry for the cannabinoids to be soluble in the solvent.
 
lately i do this with all my herb so i can stick it in a bulb and vape it instead of having to smoke. usually i'll chop up a few grams, stick it in a shotglass, flood it with iso then wait a few minutes, dump it for evaporation and do a second wash just to get the straggler trichomes with.

the yeild is really just dependent on how much thc was in the weed in the first place. you neither gain nor lose anything unless you go and try smoking it improperly then you wasting a bunch.
 
thujone said:
lately i do this with all my herb so i can stick it in a bulb and vape it instead of having to smoke. usually i'll chop up a few grams, stick it in a shotglass, flood it with iso then wait a few minutes, dump it for evaporation and do a second wash just to get the straggler trichomes with.

the yeild is really just dependent on how much thc was in the weed in the first place. you neither gain nor lose anything unless you go and try smoking it improperly then you wasting a bunch.
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wow.. u can actually do it that quickly/easily with a small amount of weed ???

Say i took 2grams of TOP GRADE A CHRONIC, top of the line, and did your process, what would i get in the end product ? and how long is the evap ?
 
Well if it was my project, I'd try a good clean naptha first. Other solvents that might work include xylene and ether (not recommended). I'm not a chemist or I'd make a better suggestion.


So yeah, why not try: VM&P Naptha.
 
use a jar and a handkerchief and well chopped but not finely powdered nugs/shake whatever.
dump in the iso shake and strain.
just do it really fast, like less than 30 seconds for the first batch,

then do another wash for like a 45 seconds and you will see the difference in quality over-soaking the weed with iso makes.

after 30 seconds plant waxes and chlorophyll end up in yo shit.
this way you still get out all the shit but you end up with some really fine end product, and some so-so.

oh yeah it comes out cleaner higher yeild with wetter buds. i think the dry plant matter does some sponging of solvent....
 
^^" i think the dry plan matter does some sponging of solvent..."

all my hash-makin' weed and what not is old shake and shit. it's very dry.
 
Trogdor said:
Well if it was my project, I'd try a good clean naptha first. Other solvents that might work include xylene and ether (not recommended). I'm not a chemist or I'd make a better suggestion.


So yeah, why not try: VM&P Naptha.
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seems like a good idea-

"Marsofold
12-03-2006, 19:13
No, but naptha is mostly heptane. And since butane is also an alkane, the solubilities shouldn't be that different. Besides being cheap, naptha is also much safer than ether. So SWIM has to wonder..."
 
Trogdor said:
Well if it was my project, I'd try a good clean naptha first. Other solvents that might work include xylene and ether (not recommended). I'm not a chemist or I'd make a better suggestion.


So yeah, why not try: VM&P Naptha.
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Are you saying alcohol will be a total waste?

I can't get xylene or ether but can easily get acetone and alcohol ... I know extracts make the high less paranoid for me so i'm really keen to try this!

Can I just get some acetone/alcohol and do an extract?
 
Alcohols are polar protic solvents, therefore yes, using them to extract non-polar cannabinoids is a waste of time. Acetone is a polar aprotic solvent, which means it will be more efficient in extracting non-polar cannabinoids but will likely still pick up the excess crap.


Naphtha on the other hand is a non-polar solvent, which means it will extract non-polar compounds efficiently without (theoretically) extracting the polar "nasties" from your source material. For all intents and purposes for hashmaking, just pretend your naphtha is "liquid butane that isn't cold" - I know some of you know how to make hash with that solvent.



ACE Hardware is known for carrying VM&P Naphtha in their paint thinners section:


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another hash oil thread

hey CD

hope all is well.

i've been working on getting a good recipe to make some hash oil. i've spent the entire day reading up on here and google and watching vids on youtube. i think i'm going to try ISOPROPYL method, but i'm open to suggestion. butane seems like a possible alternative.

i have a few specific questions that i cannot find an answer for just yet.

1. after i wash the bud/leaves, filter and strain, and let sit in a pyrex, how long should it take for the alcohol to evaporate?

2. if i decide to heat up the remaining solution (after straining), on low heat, how long should i heat this to evaporate the alcohol? what should i be looking for at this point?

3. what are some tell-tale signs that the oil is ready to smoke?

4. if i used BUTANE, after the TUBE-METHOD and subsequent straining, how long should it take for all the butane to evaporate? (i know i can hasten this with a warm-water/indirect heat method...)

thanks for reading...

chairman
 
hmm i gotta suggest butane man. alcohol takes forever and is very dangerous. there is also too much solvent involved.

im in a hurry now but i can have a step by step instruction list ready tonight for butane extraction method.

butane method takes 1/2 hour to have a smokeable product ready. much safer and much higher quality product is acheived also.

research "hashmasta kut" and purging techniques on tokecity.com in the mean time.
 
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