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Reason for the Global MDMA Crisis (GMC)

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^Didn't phase dancer just say that very same exact thing you're saying there lil angel, i mean there was no reason for me to read it twice, was there? Or did you think we wouldn't take it as seriously if we didn't read it coming from you? Anyway just seemed like the warning cd was skipping, anyways..

I don't think there is any mdma shortage at all, definantly not in Holland or Canada.

But in Australia, there are people who know what mdma is and take pills for that effect and then there's the people who just take pills to get fucked up, i have about 3 mates that couldn't even tell me what i good pill was sposed to feel like, how fucking stupid is that.

There's no shortage of mdma, it's just the dealers and what have you, have simply worked out that majority of young aussie pill poppers are complete morons and will buy anything with a little logo on it that dilates your pupils.
 
^ the lil duck is just doing the mod job as PD isn't a mod and can't unapprove posts...pretty straight forward I thought!

some of those young aussie pill poppers don't give a rats arse about MDxx, BZP blah blah...and only take 'pills' on the weekend to escape and feel good with their mates and if the 'pill' does that then why does that make them a moron?

the main issue here is their lack of knowledge of the associated risks not the fact that they can't tell between MDMA & piperazine.
 
agreed to both of the above (for different reason), not morons, just uneducated and whilst it is easy for us to sit here and judge, if they know no better how can we judge them.
If all they have ever experienced is this, that's all they know!!!
 
Compared to a typical MDMA synth, some LSD synths would be quite hard, but as far as org synth as a whole is concerned, it's not that difficult. In fact, if pure ergotamine was available it's pretty straight forward. The biggest crunch with a typical LSD synth is the need for large chromatography columns and expense of the stationary phase.

The thread OP and successive posters have said due to difficulty to produce and obtain the source materials, that compared to BZP and pips, that manufacturers are ceasing to produce MDMA in favour of easier, cheaper, and as a result higher margins products

My point was that producing LSD isn't exactly a walk in park and yet the industry as a whole persists in producing, despite a wealth of cheaper to synth alternatives like bromo.

There are actually a few variations employing p-DMAB. Van Urk test (pp-dimethylaminobenzaldehyde aka p-DMAB + ethanol + HCl) has a limit of detection for LSD of 6ug.

sigh....I was thinking i was going to have to add to point I made.

Yes I appreciate in the high powered world of organic chemistry that you can pretty much quantitify and qualify whatever.

The argument in the thread was that punters who didn't test were letting dealers get away with shifting pipradrol pills sold as MDMA onto unsuspecting customers.

To the average punter who buys his reagent from the corner porno store they hardly stock a p-DMAVan Urk. Yet the market for LSD is as strong as it has ever been.

Like all availability threads it always turns into one of its a matter of who you know.

else if there is some truth to the claim that MDMA then punters will just find the next drug. I reckon nutmeg is going to make an explosive comeback.

oooohhhhh yeah
 
I don't get it people go on and on about this so called MDMA crisis but i haven't seen such a thing at all.

Bought a brown euro last week in a nightclub and it was MDxx for god sakes. All the pills i have done apart from 1 have been MDxx (Yes i do test them and yes I do post on pillreports and they are usually one of the good ones going around at the time.)

It really isn't that hard to find good pills just know the people you buy off always test and buy ahead so if any dry areas come up then you are a little stocked up, but hey that would need self control :P

The pills i have done in order of purchase date have been

White Hearts August 08

Beige Euro October 08

White Moons December 08
Beige Kangeroo (DODGEY! Bought off rave dealer)

White Hearts (Heart shaped) June 09

Beige Euro (Club Dealer) August 09

Now I proabbly popped like ten times.
 
^ haa har! nice one...the cornishdudes monthly visit to the Aus section always brings insight to the hard questions! welcome back

I don't get it people go on and on about this so called MDMA crisis but i haven't seen such a thing at all.

I agree its not a drought in the common terms, however if you compare the difference in the mdma supply overtime, from years back to what we have now, I think you will see what people are calling a drought.

What we don't have now is the wide availability and choice of good quality pills and by good I mean 2/night max, not 4 or 6 or more a night which is what you hear today so often.
And unfortunately in times where mdma is less available, greed kicks in and you start to find adulterated pills due to attempts to stretch the limited supply.
 
Has the data from pill reports ever been analysed and graphed? That would be a good start to looking at fluctuations on availability, at least from a consumer evaluated POV. It would also be good to compare this to analytical results from seizures as they are made public.
 
Now I proabbly popped like ten times.

That explains it all. Im sick of sifting through 10 shit pills to find a decent one. If u have been doin pills in the last 10 years then u would notice that the quality is shocking and the duds and pips are at an all time high, its pathetic. Of course there is MDMA but theres just way too much shit floating around. Im going to be asking my guy if he can score any quality mdma beans when i see him today just out of curiosity.
 
Have to admit I think the "GMC" =D only really exists in a few pessimistic minds - but having said that i can understand people who don't want all the other rubbish they put into pills these days being worn down by it. Only thing you can do is stop buying from the people who sell it, it's crap anyway so you're not the one who loses, it's a win for the health of your brain. When they stop making money they will do something about it or get out of the game. So you will end up with good quality MDMA pills, or one less suburban dead shit selling chalk and pips he pressed in his shed. That even includes the MDEA types like the Brown Euros, give it a try and reject it. If everyone were on the same page we'd be swimming in MDMA within a month, but we all know that's not going to happen..

Of the millions of Australians that consume "Ecstasy" in it's many many forms these days only a tiny fraction of them post here or on pill reports, not everything gets published, there's always something "early 90's" good out there. Do you think rock stars, celebrities blah blah "high society" will accept piperazines? When they aren't snorting coke and making sure people see them do it they've got a steady supply of high grade whatever they want, including MDMA..a country of 20 million people, you could hazard a guess and say there's always hundreds if not thousands of people cooking up a scheme to bring something in, cook something up, in the process of doing so or just did it.

The reality is LE can't currently stop precursors, raw materials or any other prohibited article being brought into the country by people who know what they're doing, they just make sure the armatures don't get away with it (then stage it on border security) and get lucky with a big fish occasionally. Even the occasional amateur gets lucky! The only way they could come close to completely stopping everything is make it the number one national priority, ahead of other little factors, like the economy..which it will never be. To an extent the government accepts that they aren't doing everything they can, but they have to look at the bigger picture. It's LE's job not to make it easy.

You just need to look at recent times.."worlds biggest" Barbaro bust, the Paddington bust, the "bikie war". These are all huge factors in the supply of everything, but there's still a bit of everything around. The tradition supply chain is just in tatters at the moment, things are changing, but people are already filling the gaps..

Just wait until summer, you can be pretty much be sure quite a few black market entrepreneurs have timed their gear to coincide with the Summer drug, I mean music, music festivals =D One or two out of ten or so of them will probably get caught, but the other eight or nine..
 
Just wait until summer, you can be pretty much be sure quite a few black market entrepreneurs have timed their gear to coincide with the Summer drug, I mean music, music festivals =D One or two out of ten or so of them will probably get caught, but the other eight or nine..


I find the festival time when there are more idiots around buying things, so the number of bunks goes up.

Like buying winter clothing, the best time is in summer, same with pills, best time to buy pills is not in festival season where demand is it's highest.
 
I'd tend to agree with that, I remember last year around festival time there was a shitload of crap pills going around (as in, more than usual!)
 
as others have said i think its a combo of things

in the last few years in adel the amt of duds has gone thru the roof its hard to get hold of anything decent these days, but a couple yrs ago you didnt even have to bother stockin up.

sum1 else mentioned that ppl dont know better and i think this is tru. if they only statred taking pills last yr, how r they supposed to know what a 'real' pill is like?
 
as others have said i think its a combo of things

in the last few years in adel the amt of duds has gone thru the roof its hard to get hold of anything decent these days, but a couple yrs ago you didnt even have to bother stockin up.

sum1 else mentioned that ppl dont know better and i think this is tru. if they only statred taking pills last yr, how r they supposed to know what a 'real' pill is like?

They dont and just think if this keeps up say 10 years later even the "experienced rollers" who have been rolling from say today will think this is ok. It can only get worse if nothin is done about it. To be honest i dont even know why people are bothering. No way id pay any money for a low mdxx either not to mention pips or bunks.
 
No way id pay any money for a low mdxx either not to mention pips or bunks.

Totally agree. Im down to my last few 'good' ones and then after that i dunno what im going to do :( Its a shame cause i only take it about once a month and enjoy it when i do, but now cant even get hold of decent stuff so its not worth it.
 
the worlds drug tastes are changeing. in europe and also can see it happening in sydney and melbourne, xtc is becomming less popular.

I don't really think that the taste is changing; the consumers are just starting to realise thaty the drugs being sold as ecstast aren't MDxx at all, but rather cheaper, nastier substitutes. Speed has become far more popular since the downfall of ecstasy, and I'm sure MDMA will gain what little popularity it lost once the product become pure again (which It looks like is happening in the US and to a lesser extent Aus).

The last figures I saw were from a 2008? survey into ecstasy use and it showed hugely increasing rates of ecstasy use across the globe, especially in Australia. It would be very interesting to see some figures after the great Piperazine swindle :\
 
i think that's somewhat true, i've seen a massive increase in the use of ketamine - people who just want to spend what they would on say two pills are going thirds in a bag of it for the night. not only does it last forever (how i miss a gram lasting more than a night between 3 people...) but it's clean, no comedown at all (for me anyway) and a lot of fucking fun.

much better than even a medium dose pill in my eyes, i won't even make the comparison between k and pipes...
 
I have seen my share of pipes recently (in GA) but they were all extremely obvious (taste and press). But there are still many good pills going around, or at least not out of reach. Being between ATL and MIA isnt always a bad thing you know? :D

I had some monkeys recently and got gaggy off of one for a little when it first hit me, which is good considering Ive never gotn sick off of any. I only took one and I wish i had at least one more lol. But yea bapes=cleans pills right now.


edit: I think the main problem is that the uninformed youth that is taking all of the pipes are used to them, thinking this is what mdma is. Honestly...out of all my friends, i dont think any of them know what mdma is, considering the fact they have rolled maybe 10+ times
 
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