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The Mephedrone Thread (4-mmc)

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MrIbis said:
its proven that its cardio toxic... \
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Proven? I'm not arguing that it doesn't have it's negative effects on the body, just obviously being a new drugs there hasn't been studies (that I can see) so basically it's call circumstantial/people's opinions.

Not that that's a reason not to be careful and use caution/sense when taking this - people react differently to different drugs.

Personally I didn't find any of the side effects people are mentioning on here (eg, cardio-issues, constipation, irritability, etc). :\

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Sustanon said:
Its been discussed a hundred times its an analog therefore its illegal under the federal act.
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Pretty much a good rule of thumb is that if it's "fun" then it'll be covered under Australia's analog laws and therefore illegal (even if it's a new drug)
 
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travelling_man said:
Figured since there's no MDMA about I'd give some of this toxic shit a go. Tried to order online and they told me they don't ship to Aus. as it's banned here?! :(
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Some people just dont research enough. Its an analogue of the drug called methylmethcathinone. Anything that is similar in structure or even mimics the effects of an illegal drug is banned. Our country has the toughest laws and just letting u know that we have the best customs in the world.
 
Sustanon said:
Some people just dont research enough. Its an analogue of the drug called methylmethcathinone. Anything that is similar in structure or even mimics the effects of an illegal drug is banned. Our country has the toughest laws and just letting u know that we have the best customs in the world.
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Amen to that. Australia has a VERY strict set of anologue laws (essentially anything that gives you a mood lift is illegal). Hell, even SALVIA has been banned here for quite a while.

Also don't forget that Australia is an isolated continent and it is quite hard and costly to smuggle large quantities into the country due to the affermentioned top class customs.

One finds it hard to justify potentialy getting the 5-0 onto you just for importing some mediocre anologue illegally; especially if you are just doing it for personal use.
 
travelling_man said:
Alright, thanks.

Was going to order 10g but maybe drop it to 5g? :p :!
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In my opinion I'd order none at all. As tempting as it is, you are going to get a lot of unwanted heat if you do get caught.

Better of braving it out, spreading your social web and making friends with the connections. You CAN find Mephedrone on the street (sometimes called Drone, C4 etc.), so it's not like importing it yourself is the only option.
 
for me, with chemicals
the positive effects need to outweigh the negatives

or it's just not worth it.
healthwise, cashwise, etc.

its something i live by, why do something that doesnt make you feel good? as much of a hedonistic comment that is to make.
but the chest pains have all ceased now.

to be honest, i had my quarms about using more than 5pts of 4mmc after reading some of the stuff here, but it never got me to a good enough point at a dosage below that.
i figured, because im a big guy i'd need to use a bit more.

especially at an event that went from 10pm - 5am.
*IF* i ever bother using this stuff again, im gonna keep my dosage low. and do it in a short period of time.

sustanon was dead on when he said re-dosing doesnt really work

when i got home, and racked up that last point. it gave me 5 minutes of a stimulant effect, before subsiding. and then i slept soon after.

more -'s than +'s here.

if im gonna get into the RC's again, ill go for 2c-x's.
a lot more positives with them.
 
heh, last night when i let someone have a line of what i thought was 4mmc.. it was the left over 2C-E i had...

luckily, said person didnt have a bad trip from the rather large nasal dose of 2c-e.. and they'd never tripped before, probably around 50mg...
 
js2k6 said:
for me, with chemicals
the positive effects need to outweigh the negatives

or it's just not worth it.
healthwise, cashwise, etc.

its something i live by, why do something that doesnt make you feel good? as much of a hedonistic comment that is to make.
but the chest pains have all ceased now.

to be honest, i had my quarms about using more than 5pts of 4mmc after reading some of the stuff here, but it never got me to a good enough point at a dosage below that.
i figured, because im a big guy i'd need to use a bit more.

especially at an event that went from 10pm - 5am.
*IF* i ever bother using this stuff again, im gonna keep my dosage low. and do it in a short period of time.

sustanon was dead on when he said re-dosing doesnt really work

when i got home, and racked up that last point. it gave me 5 minutes of a stimulant effect, before subsiding. and then i slept soon after.

more -'s than +'s here.

if im gonna get into the RC's again, ill go for 2c-x's.
a lot more positives with them.
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You said it mate. Ive just learnt after some research that this chemical isnt as good as what people make it out to be. Alot more negatives than positives.

I havnt really experienced side effects and ive done up to 800mg in a night. After the comedown my hands and fingers were hurting a bit, it kinda felt like when u wrap a string around ur fingers or hand. Circulation problems? Pretty scary if u ask me. And redosing isnt that effective. I usually bomb a big dose n just top up but i think its the end for me with this substance.

2c's are awesome. 2ci and 2cb is prob the best. Very nicely euphoric and trippy. Im going to leave the Research chems to guniea pigs other than myself. Id rather fork out more cash and go to the trouble getting the well known drugs.
 
MrIbis said:
heh, last night when i let someone have a line of what i thought was 4mmc.. it was the left over 2C-E i had...

luckily, said person didnt have a bad trip from the rather large nasal dose of 2c-e.. and they'd never tripped before, probably around 50mg...
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Haha yep the trip was handled surprisingly well for such a large dosage
 
MrIbis said:
heh, last night when i let someone have a line of what i thought was 4mmc.. it was the left over 2C-E i had...

luckily, said person didnt have a bad trip from the rather large nasal dose of 2c-e.. and they'd never tripped before, probably around 50mg...
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A timely reminder about how careful you need to be if dabbling in a variety of different RC's. A dose that large, especially intranasal, has the potential to do untold damage even to the initiated. I would count yourself lucky that nothing else happened because a 'bad trip' would have been the least of my worries if that was on my hands.

Mark your gear and triple check before doling out dosages. RC's aren't something that should be messed around with or approached with a blase attitude. Something I'm confident you know all too well MrIbis!!!!
 
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Hi all.

I've read through... it's an interesting thread this.

Just thought I'd contribute and address a few possibly unanswered questions.

To my experience: I am an avid and informed drug user. Know your product! In the past year I've consumed a rather large amount of 4-MMC; one does develop a taste for it. I have not had it for a while as it is ineffective on my current medication. Likewise with MDMA I have extensive experience with it both in pill and powder form.

A word of warning: Mephedrone is a Research Chemical. That means that it is still under research and it's effects are not fully known. Be careful taking any drug but take special care when dealing with RCs. It is possible to overdose with 4-MMC so take care the first time you try it; please don't do anything stupid like eat a half gram in one go.

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Q) How do I tell MDMA and Mephedrone (4-MMC) apart?

A) Many ways!

4-MMC smells like cat piss, MDMA does not. The ammonia smell is quite prominent, and MDMA should not smell like that at all.

4-MMC has a shorter duration than MDMA. 4-MMC will peak over the T+0:30 mark and taper off roughly an hour and a half later.

4-MMC is from experience generally a fluffy white or cream coloured powder; however I have seen it in a light brown and honey colour and also as crystalline powder. Never as crystals. MDMA is always brown, tan or similarly coloured. MDMA is not fluffy per se; mostly a dense, heavy kind of powder. MDMA can come in crystal form.

4-MMC is also very voluminous, and a solid dose (250-300mg) will fill a teaspoon. A solid dose (150mg) of MDMA will barely fill a half of a teaspoon.

And finally, a good reagent testing kit will show the difference between MDMA and 4-MMC.

Q) I've tried Mephedrone, and it's not as good as MDMA. What's all the hype about?

A) You probably haven't taken enough of it. I have had my fair share of MDMA both pills and powder 4-MMC and can say that I've rolled much harder on 4-MMC than any MDMA powder.

For a solid roll on 4-MMC I have found that 300mg taken orally in a parachute followed by another 100mg insufflated when it comes on is sufficient to provide me with a stupendous ride. When testing I did have a high tolerance, however.

My advice to a new user would be as follows:

T+0:00 - 200mg parachute.

T+0:30 - 100mg-150mg insufflated in small lines until satisfied.

Redosing seems to work for some people but not others. I have found that waiting until after the effects have truly died down, and then doing another parachute and lines kicks it off at the same level, but this doesn't seem to work for me if I redose while under the sway of it... The only way to tell is to try.

Q) Is 4-MMC as 'safe' as MDMA?

A) From all that I've read online, it is when used safely and responsibly. 4-MMC apparently causes less toxicity in the liver.

Q) I know someone who is selling this as MDMA. Is this a big deal?

A) Yes. Your dealer should be responsible and tell you exactly what you're buying. I know I can't mention prices here - hopefully this doesn't break the rule: 4-MMC is dirt cheap ;). If you pay MDMA prices you should get MDMA.

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Well, I hope I have been informative and this helps you guys out in some way. As I said it's just my two cents...

Thanks all. Peace out.
 
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