Bupe Suboxone/Buprenorphine FAQ and Megathread v.1; 2007 - 2010

[Z Y G G Y]

^The only opioid I heard and experienced that energizes with suboxone is tramadol. It's not scheduled. I had absolutely no problem getting 3 refills of 60 50mg tramadols this month. The vicuprofen is seriously worth a laugh here.

If ur doctors know u as an addict go to a doctor that doesn't know u as one. That's what I did. I didn't disclose my history of heroin use otherwise I would get shit for the help I needed. Sometimes doctors think that addicts are not worth helping as much as other people are in exact same situations. Like my husband got the 30/500 codeine/tylenol and with cold water extraction he was left with 900mg of codeine powder for kidney infection. I would say your pain is just as deserving and he used to be a heroin addict (not disclosed of course).

Next time don't get your surgery done with someone that knows u r an addict unless u really have to. It will most likely cause u to get close to nothing for pain relief. Unless it's like an emergency car crash where they need to know u r on suboxone cuz then nothing would seem to work or some other emergency like that. Sure, removal of 3 wisdom teeth can be considered emergency but I wouldn't tell my doc I take sub. That's just me, some might not agree but I find that if I just say the words used to be addicted to heroin I get treated as less than human by most docs and I don't want that.

 

[OxyCon10]

yeah but if i dont tell the doctor i take suboxone they are going to assume i have NO opiate tolerance what so ever. most of my friends told me when they got their wisdom teeth removed they got 30 5mg vicodin and that was it, so i feel somewhat luckier that i got 50 7.5mgs but they dont do jack shit.


my friend (the dr) called to make sure i was alive and kickin and he told me basically that most of his patients get by with 30 vicodin and if i would have not told him about suboxone i would have just got 20 or 30 5mgs and had i asked for more i would have been labeled and left.......

 

[jackie jones]

I finally found a clinic that deals with suboxone which has no wait period. I am really worried about this because they require that I go to inpatient detox followed by rehab before they put me on suboxone maintenance. I have been using opiates for ten years. I have never been in either detox or rehab. What worries me the most is that I like opiates so much that I don't know if I will ever be able to stop. I have always been able to show those around me that I am able to control my addiction, as I do not have an outright appearance of a drug addict. I am able to 'maintain' well and hide my sickness when I need to lower my tolerance or cannot find any dope. I am just tired of needing it. It is not recreational anymore. I am high right now on 240mg of morphine (my body weight is 125lbs). I do not feel high as much as a general sense of relief.... a feeling of being well. I used to be able to dose three times with such an amount.

My main concern in being in detox or rehab is going to put a label on me to my family, and I am worried that I will not be able to stop even with the aid of suboxone, and will therefore have put myself out there as an outright addict, possibly to no avail. I have tried so well to hide this.

 

[Captain.Heroin]

I finally found a clinic that deals with suboxone which has no wait period. I am really worried about this because they require that I go to inpatient detox followed by rehab before they put me on suboxone maintenance, and I have been using opiates for ten years. I have never been in either detox or rehab. What worries me the most is that I like opiates so much that I don't know if I will ever be able to stop. I have always been able to show those around me that I am able to control my addiction, as I do not have an outright appearance of a drug addict. I am able to 'maintain' well and hide my sickness when I need to lower my tolerance or cannot find any dope. I am just tired of needing it. It is not recreational anymore. I am high right now on 240mg of morphine (my body weight is 125lbs). I do not feel high as much as a general sense of relief.... a feeling of being well. I used to be able to dose three times with such an amount.

My main concern is being in detox or rehab is going to put a label on me to my family, and I am worried that I will not be able to stop even with the aid of suboxone, and will therefore have put myself out there as an outright addict, possibly to no avail. I have tried so well to hide this.

I wouldn't go into inpatient rehab for outpatient Suboxone.

I don't know where you are but I have never heard of a waiting list for Suboxone treatment.

Either way, best of luck man.

 

[jackie jones]

I have checked four places in the area. One has a three year wait list (or so I was told), and the other three insist on in-patient detox. I am not sure whether they said they recommend rehab or whether it is mandatory.

Is detox usually mandatory?

 

[bingey]

anyone in here been on both subutex and suboxone and find suboxone completelyy worthless due to naloxone side effects (most notable not getting any enjoyment out of my daily beer)

 

[Eight0Eight]

I'm off subutex - and onto valium and britolofex.

My body hurts.

The chances of me getting back into H are pretty damn high ATM.

 

[dopiate]

I'm off subutex - and onto valium and britolofex.

My body hurts.

The chances of me getting back into H are pretty damn high ATM.

Dude! You fucking rock! Give it a chance for a little while and try and keep yourself occupied. You don't want all that hard work you spent in tapering to just throw it away into heroin. Try and remember your last experience where you could have died very easily.

How are the w/d symptoms compared to when you were tapering?

 

[Jabberwocky]

alright, time for the new suboxone thread since this is just about at the 1000 mark

 

[sixpartseven]

Bumping so it doesn't get lost in the abyss, and everyone can know it's here.

 

[Eight0Eight]

Dude! You fucking rock! Give it a chance for a little while and try and keep yourself occupied. You don't want all that hard work you spent in tapering to just throw it away into heroin. Try and remember your last experience where you could have died very easily.

How are the w/d symptoms compared to when you were tapering?

I've had 2 more serious OD's since the last one I mentioned here. :/

I just "forgot" to tell my clinic about them (and continued cheating my piss-tests so they wuldn't find out). So the reduction had to continue.

I find the lofexidine/britlofex works for a few hours - more If I throw in a few cans of booze. It does stop the sweating, chills and "midnight breakdancing" but does nothing for the insomnia.

I just feel sick and completely demotivated to do *anything*. I had the chance to go score today but didn't - thats a plus I supose.

I have 4 x 0.2 subutex's which I'm saving I'm going to split in half and shoot if it gets truely out-of-hand.

But *fingers crossed* I should be clean in a few days.

 

[passtheflask]

Okay, I posted in thread 3.0 the other day about getting a few Suboxone to try and replace my increasingly expensive hydrocodone habit. I listened to a BLer's advice and haven't taken any hydro in two days.

I feel great off of 50-60mg hydro.

So about 30 minutes ago, I let a 2mg tab dissolve under my tongue. I just want to know some bupe users opinions of how I should expect to feel for the next few hours. Should I expect to get any sleep tonight? Will I get sick? How similar of a buzz is it to oxy/hydro?

 

[Captain.Heroin]

I've had 2 more serious OD's since the last one I mentioned here. :/

I just "forgot" to tell my clinic about them (and continued cheating my piss-tests so they wuldn't find out). So the reduction had to continue.

I find the lofexidine/britlofex works for a few hours - more If I throw in a few cans of booze. It does stop the sweating, chills and "midnight breakdancing" but does nothing for the insomnia.

I just feel sick and completely demotivated to do *anything*. I had the chance to go score today but didn't - thats a plus I supose.

I have 4 x 0.2 subutex's which I'm saving I'm going to split in half and shoot if it gets truely out-of-hand.

But *fingers crossed* I should be clean in a few days.

Best of luck man, I wish you the best. If you want to talk about it just PM me some time.

It's good to see v4.0, though. The Suboxone Mega Thread is one of my favorite threads in all of Blue Light.

 

[cire113]

Ok i know for sub maintence less is more...

BUt what about during acute heroin or oxy withdrawal?

Ive taken 4mg so far its only been 3 hrs and i still feel shitty... should i take another 2mgs or just wait... Does this make sense?

My pupils arent tiny but arent big either id save average

 

[Captain.Heroin]

Suboxone Re-Dosing

Ok i know for sub maintence less is more...

BUt what about during acute heroin or oxy withdrawal?

Ive taken 4mg so far its only been 3 hrs and i still feel shitty... should i take another 2mgs or just wait... Does this make sense?

My pupils arent tiny but arent big either id save average

You can try another 2mg if you feel shitty.

I typically wouldn't exceed 6mg/day sublingually, even during acute heroin withdrawal.

Different people need different levels of medications though, so it's really up to you.

If you do need it, then that's OK, but by a week from now you should be able to start to lower your dose.

Good luck with the withdrawal.

 

[dankoni]

I was going to make a new thread for my question, but I'm sure it would have gotten merged anyway. Here goes...

For someone on pods with a tolerance of roughly 40mg Oxy to feel good, is ~1mg of Suboxone a good dose? I've never done Suboxone. My friend said to let it fully dissolve under the tongue to avoid the Naloxone. I'd like to try it, but NOT (NOT!) if it will make me unable to dose on pods the following day. Basically, I want to take the ~1mg recreationally without the risk of sending myself into 2-3 days of withdrawal. Advice, please.

 

[cire113]

Cool thanks capt thats what i thought... I only went on about a 10 day oxy binge about 100mgs a day shouldnt be that bad i hope i have to be at work everyday.... before the binge i was stabalized at like 1mgs of sub every 1-2 days.... I'm sure in a couple days ill be back down to atleast 2mgs day

Anyways this msg was in the other thread and i thought i would comment on it

anyone in here been on both subutex and suboxone and find suboxone completelyy worthless due to naloxone side effects (most notable not getting any enjoyment out of my daily beer)

From my experience no nalaxone is absorbed even when swallowed but to be on the safe side i spit out the remaining solution after a few minutes of sublingual absorption...

I dont understand why subutex is more expensive as it doesnt have the nalaxone...



I also shocked to hear that No companies have talked about making Generic Suboxone as the 5 year patent runs up in october

For someone on pods with a tolerance of roughly 40mg Oxy to feel good, is ~1mg of Suboxone a good dose? I've never done Suboxone. My friend said to let it fully dissolve under the tongue to avoid the Naloxone. I'd like to try it, but NOT (NOT!) if it will make me unable to dose on pods the following day. Basically, I want to take the ~1mg recreationally without the risk of sending myself into 2-3 days of withdrawal. Advice, please.

IMO 1mg is about equal to 30mgs of oxy... You will only get into withdrawals if you dose the suboxone too early after pods and if your physically dependent ... I would wait atleast 2-3 days after taking pod tea to dose sub just to be safe... The euphoria from sub is not even close to pods though.... There is no danger of takingn pods after you take your suboxone just the other way around

 

[Captain.Heroin]

I was going to make a new thread for my question, but I'm sure it would have gotten merged anyway.

Yeah, it would have, so thank you for posting your question in here.

For someone on pods with a tolerance of roughly 40mg Oxy to feel good, is ~1mg of Suboxone a good dose? I've never done Suboxone. My friend said to let it fully dissolve under the tongue to avoid the Naloxone. I'd like to try it, but NOT (NOT!) if it will make me unable to dose on pods the following day. Basically, I want to take the ~1mg recreationally without the risk of sending myself into 2-3 days of withdrawal. Advice, please.

*sigh*

You will avoid the naloxone no matter what ROA you choose - whether it be sublingual, nasally, orally, injected, etc. Your friend is incorrect in saying you have to sublingually administer the pill to "avoid the naloxone".

It won't make you unable to dose pods the next day if you take ~ 1mg, however I can't say how much of the pods you'll feel. Some might still get a good effect, others might notice some diminished effects. I couldn't tell you though.

You won't send yourself into "days of withdrawal" unless you take pods and then Suboxone while still on the pods. If you wait long enough (the pods are well out of your system) then the Suboxone shouldn't effect you negatively.

Anyways this msg was in the other thread and i thought i would comment on it

From my experience no nalaxone is absorbed even when swallowed but to be on the safe side i spit out the remaining solution after a few minutes of sublingual absorption...

I dont understand why subutex is more expensive as it doesnt have the nalaxone...

What makes alcohol unenjoyable while on buprenorphine is the buprenorphine itself; coupled by the idea that opiates are fundamentally better than alcohol. If you've gone through heroin abuse, alcohol isn't going to be nearly as enjoyable as it would have been before heroin abuse.

Naloxone, even though it is out-competed by buprenorphine, is metabolized out of your system; ie if you take Suboxone, by an hour or two, the naloxone will be out of your system (and not have done a thing except linger in the synapse, being out-competed by buprenorphine).

I also shocked to hear that No companies have talked about making Generic Suboxone as the 5 year patent runs up in october

I'm not shocked at all - this is what happens when you allow companies to steal drug patents from one another.

If someone stood up and said something about revoking R&B's patent in order to supply Buprenex to the general population for ORT; then yeah, maybe Suboxone wouldn't cost an arm and a leg for someone without health insurance.

Alas; no one did anything.

The euphoria from sub is not even close to pods though.... There is no danger of takingn pods after you take your suboxone just the other way around

Taking pods shortly after Suboxone will render you not feeling much from them, but maybe you would considering how low 1mg sublingual is.

I would say that the euphoria I get from Suboxone is better than most other opiates due to the fact that Suboxone doesn't consistently raise your tolerance (when taken correctly) and there is barely a WD profile to speak of (when tapering properly) when compared to heroin.

 

[dankoni]

*sigh*

You will avoid the naloxone no matter what ROA you choose - whether it be sublingual, nasally, orally, injected, etc. Your friend is incorrect in saying you have to sublingually administer the pill to "avoid the naloxone".

It won't make you unable to dose pods the next day if you take ~ 1mg, however I can't say how much of the pods you'll feel. Some might still get a good effect, others might notice some diminished effects. I couldn't tell you though.

You won't send yourself into "days of withdrawal" unless you take pods and then Suboxone while still on the pods. If you wait long enough (the pods are well out of your system) then the Suboxone shouldn't effect you negatively.

IMO 1mg is about equal to 30mgs of oxy... You will only get into withdrawals if you dose the suboxone too early after pods and if your physically dependent ... I would wait atleast 2-3 days after taking pod tea to dose sub just to be safe... The euphoria from sub is not even close to pods though.... There is no danger of takingn pods after you take your suboxone just the other way around

Thank you VERY MUCH for the quick and informed responses. Followup questions...

Let's say (hypothetically of course) that I AM physically dependent on pods. Let's say I dose raw grounds 1-2 times daily. Let's also say that the day I take the Suboxone, it will have only been 24 hours since my last pod dose. Should I just forget about it and give the Suboxone back? If I feel like shit after taking it, will I be able to take a pod dose and feel fine again? This is starting to sound like more trouble than it's worth. Is there a safe way to dose on Suboxone without interrupting my pod schedule by more than 24 hours? Thanks, all!

 

[passtheflask]

Okay, I posted in thread 3.0 the other day about getting a few Suboxone to try and replace my increasingly expensive hydrocodone habit. I listened to a BLer's advice and haven't taken any hydro in two days.

I feel great off of 50-60mg hydro.

So about 30 minutes ago, I let a 2mg tab dissolve under my tongue. I just want to know some bupe users opinions of how I should expect to feel for the next few hours. Should I expect to get any sleep tonight? Will I get sick? How similar of a buzz is it to oxy/hydro?

Okay, so it's been 3 hours since I dosed. I felt great about an hour ago, but now I'm starting to get a headache and my body is generally starting to feel bad. What's the deal?