Visionary_Kpsycho
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Do you think there are going to be certian drugs of the future, that are more addicting/stronger? Do any of you know future canidates for this??? Any chemicals that you see being popular in the future?
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Do you think there will be better psychedelics in the future?
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Somewhat-damaged
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There certainly will be. I believe that we have reached a peak of chemistry related discoveries but we will still see new discoveries, not quite as many as we've seen in the last 100 years but we will still see some.
I can't wait to try some new stuff
BRING IT ON
I can't wait to try some new stuff
BRING IT ON
explorer83
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Sasha Shuglin has said himself that there are numerous(almost infinite) combinations of psychedelic compounds to be developed/discovered. Whether any of these will be better than what we currently have, is yet to be seen.
Yes, yes and yes.
Covered many times previously but will search for the merge at a later date if no-one beats me to it. Has been some interesting discussion on this
Covered many times previously but will search for the merge at a later date if no-one beats me to it. Has been some interesting discussion on this
Visionary_Kpsycho
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Yeah, i know there has been some recent talk about that. I am just wondering if anything will be as strong as DMT or LSD. I know that there will be tons of new drugs in the future. But do any of you think they will be stronger then DMT? Like come on! that stuff sends you to the moon and back! lol. If you think there is please feel freely to post the chemical name!
I meant this whole topic sponges, speculation and all has been done many times over many years. It wasn't intended to be a criticism cos it's a good topic. I just can't be fucked to find the other threads on the subject to widen the discussion right now is all. It's a good topic
And I have no doubt whatsoever that DMT will be blown out of the water with the ketomised dolphins along the way. Things move on and that include drugs. Although DMT will be hard to top, no doubt. 5-MEO-DMT has done it for a long time. It's just not very pleasant for many of us.
And I have no doubt whatsoever that DMT will be blown out of the water with the ketomised dolphins along the way. Things move on and that include drugs. Although DMT will be hard to top, no doubt. 5-MEO-DMT has done it for a long time. It's just not very pleasant for many of us.
adrian89987
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man...I can't imagine what it would even be like taking a substance that can take you further than 5meodmt, salvia, and dmt can bring you
I'm not sure if I'd even be down for that, 5-meo-dmt intimidates me enough as it is.
I'm not sure if I'd even be down for that, 5-meo-dmt intimidates me enough as it is.
emperorofusa
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Take a look at mephedrone (4-mmc). Most definitely there will be newer drugs in the future, and a few of them will likely be quite addictive and dangerous. Mephedrone is happening right now and I'm fairly scared for the people who choose to indulge in it
Visionary_Kpsycho
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Really good i read about that sounds like addicting stuff, Any new sedatives you heard of?
Roger&Me
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There certainly will be. I believe that we have reached a peak of chemistry related discoveries but we will still see new discoveries, not quite as many as we've seen in the last 100 years but we will still see some.
I can't wait to try some new stuff
I disagree. I think that the chemical discoveries of the last 100 years is only the tip of the iceberg. I think the future will hold a vast plethora of chemical wonders. Only an infinitesimally small sliver of the possible configurations of matter is currently being explored. I think we have some exciting things in store for us.
That being said, I highly doubt that we will ever discover a finer psychedelic than LSD!
PepperSocks
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I highly doubt that we will ever discover a finer psychedelic than LSD!
I don't
LSD is a great psychedelic but there are things I like just as much or more. By all means LSD is good stuff but I wouldn't be surprised if something better came along.
Now if something that was active at a lower dose came along that would be interesting but the definition of "finer" is where it lies. To me mescaline is "finer" than LSD.
Of course this is all subjective jiber jaber.
Roger&Me
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^LSD is a tricky one to discuss because there is such a variation in quality on the market. If you happen to get a degraded batch, or one with too many clavine impurities, etc it tends to not be very impressive. But the first time I got truly fresh and pure LSD, there was just no doubt in my mind that it is the best psychedelic in existence. Now I'm familiar with the "LSD is LSD is LSD" argument, but I think anybody who's been around doses for long enough will tell you that there are superior and inferior batches floating around; and if you get one of the really great batches right after its made, the results can be quite astonishing.
Of course, personal preference will prevail. Mescaline is a truly spectacular and fine psychedelic, and I've heard big talk about DOM (I'll be trying that one soon). But I think that LSD would at least put up a great fight for the coveted "king of psychedelics" spot.
There's just something so darn cosmic about it, like it puts you right at the center of it all. There's also a deeply lonely nature to the LSD experience that I don't find present in other psychedelics; deeply, painfully, poetically, cosmically lonely -- because you realize that you and the world you live in (which are one in the same) are the only thing here.
And did I mention the music? Oh, the music! Nothing short of transcendental bliss.
By all means, ingest the psychedelic of your choice. But I'm sticking with LSD as the staple of my psychedelic diet, and I don't think that's likely to change anytime soon. :D
Of course, personal preference will prevail. Mescaline is a truly spectacular and fine psychedelic, and I've heard big talk about DOM (I'll be trying that one soon). But I think that LSD would at least put up a great fight for the coveted "king of psychedelics" spot.
There's just something so darn cosmic about it, like it puts you right at the center of it all. There's also a deeply lonely nature to the LSD experience that I don't find present in other psychedelics; deeply, painfully, poetically, cosmically lonely -- because you realize that you and the world you live in (which are one in the same) are the only thing here.
And did I mention the music? Oh, the music! Nothing short of transcendental bliss.
By all means, ingest the psychedelic of your choice. But I'm sticking with LSD as the staple of my psychedelic diet, and I don't think that's likely to change anytime soon. :D
swilow
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mushmind62
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always around the corner. Look at oxycontin. Miricle pain drug. I broke my back in '97 and was taken off vicoden and put on oxycontin because it was less addicting!!Doctors swoar by it. turned my life upside down!! Look at any methedone clinic now. Kids everywhere!!! no way should all these kids be at a methedone clinic. Most all are oxy's not heroin. some went to heroin because it was cheaper.
Visionary_Kpsycho
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Well we can always dream haha
haha
Lol I like that vision but there's something fundamentally impossible about it and there would even be like a hundred impracticalities to come on top of it...
Super-selective drugs / psychedelics should be interesting but the kings of psychedelics seem to have some quality of very promiscuous receptor affinities like LSD. It's probably so damn good because it is like a crossover connector molecule, but it's pretty much sheer luck that there is so little (negative) peripheral effects.
There is a limitation though for perfect simplicity in molecular configuration and the pure agonism it produces. Look at DMT, in a way it's perfected and evolved out because as soon as you start hanging big stuff on there it's just another story. Though 5-fluoro-DMT might be very interesting because it seems to be a lot like DMT only orally active and much less prone to MAO! I wonder about other simply substituted DMT analogues... The trick is that it still has to fit in to those receptors.
Looking at LSD I would say that semi-synthetics have a bright future as well. It's hard to dream up a radically new molecule that falls out of every chemical psychedelic family we know now... But plants that hint at some psychoactivity can give us that clue. We will have to wait until a(nother) genius chemist goes on to experiment with modification of ethnobotanical principles!
A step further is bigger compounds for some biochemical signalling, there might be something there. Another step further seems to me to be finetuning the modulation of brainwaves from outside. I heard from a guy that he pretty much went schizo and psycho from that sort of thing so experimenting will be super tricky. I really don't know the limitations and possibilities of this field of science - who knows if it's perfected we can start controlling human experience any way we like, therapy / entertainment / tripping / communication - endless fancying potential :D
Nano devices I really don't see helping us in this area - the application will be great in medicine, but as you say who knows maybe far far ahead in the future after we will have already seen other marvellous approaches to consciousness interfacing
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Super-selective drugs / psychedelics should be interesting but the kings of psychedelics seem to have some quality of very promiscuous receptor affinities like LSD. It's probably so damn good because it is like a crossover connector molecule, but it's pretty much sheer luck that there is so little (negative) peripheral effects.
There is a limitation though for perfect simplicity in molecular configuration and the pure agonism it produces. Look at DMT, in a way it's perfected and evolved out because as soon as you start hanging big stuff on there it's just another story. Though 5-fluoro-DMT might be very interesting because it seems to be a lot like DMT only orally active and much less prone to MAO! I wonder about other simply substituted DMT analogues... The trick is that it still has to fit in to those receptors.
Looking at LSD I would say that semi-synthetics have a bright future as well. It's hard to dream up a radically new molecule that falls out of every chemical psychedelic family we know now... But plants that hint at some psychoactivity can give us that clue. We will have to wait until a(nother) genius chemist goes on to experiment with modification of ethnobotanical principles!
A step further is bigger compounds for some biochemical signalling, there might be something there. Another step further seems to me to be finetuning the modulation of brainwaves from outside. I heard from a guy that he pretty much went schizo and psycho from that sort of thing so experimenting will be super tricky. I really don't know the limitations and possibilities of this field of science - who knows if it's perfected we can start controlling human experience any way we like, therapy / entertainment / tripping / communication - endless fancying potential :D
Nano devices I really don't see helping us in this area - the application will be great in medicine, but as you say who knows maybe far far ahead in the future after we will have already seen other marvellous approaches to consciousness interfacing
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NW-baltiland
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You hit the nail right on the fuckin' head. I'm on MMT and started off with pain meds like vic's, perc's, oxy's, morph's, dilly's and whatnot and moved onto heroin because I'm in Baltimore and there is high-quality heroin everywhere.
well thank god albert wasnt doing a very good job on keeping out of touch with his chemicals..
it makes me think, if it was possible to discover a drug that can change someone's perception on life, gives them visuals, an extremely intellectual trip, and can change their life...
ON ACCIDENT
then the future is just endless...
also makes you think where technology is going to go... it seems (at least to me) that i cant even ponder what the next huge discovery (i.e. telephone, electricity... *cough* LSD) is going to end up being... particles smaller than Protons, Neutrons, and Electrons?
who knows
i can ramble on forever, but yeah
Good thread! ....for the deep thinking type of person
it makes me think, if it was possible to discover a drug that can change someone's perception on life, gives them visuals, an extremely intellectual trip, and can change their life...
ON ACCIDENT
then the future is just endless...
also makes you think where technology is going to go... it seems (at least to me) that i cant even ponder what the next huge discovery (i.e. telephone, electricity... *cough* LSD) is going to end up being... particles smaller than Protons, Neutrons, and Electrons?
who knows
i can ramble on forever, but yeah
Good thread! ....for the deep thinking type of person