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The Big & Dandy DOC Thread (Part 1)

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^ Having no scruples, I will find your box and steal it.... ;)


j/k
 
After my first and only very lackluster trial with DOC a few years back (~1.8mg) I decided to give it a go this time (~2.5mg). I decided the spend the first bit in a nearby park reading, but I ended up spending close to 4 hours there, just reading, relaxing and meditating.

The come up was extremely smooth, and I felt no discomfort being in a public space.

There wasn't much in the way of visuals, only the minor standard psychedelic breathing. I felt quite connected to nature and noticed my vision was much improved. Other have described it better, but its like your eyes are taking much higher resolution pictures.

It wasn't until the sun had almost set and I stood up to go home that I felt the energy. It was like a constant stream throughout my body, but not uncomfortable in any way.

I got home watching a video or two on the computer and by that time most of the psychedelic effects had subsided and I was left with a very clean stimulant feeling.

Originally years ago reading the reports on DOC I was particularly intrigued by one of Blue Dolphins reports where he mentioned an enhanced musical ability. I found this too. I'm more of a guitar player, but I played piano better than I probably ever have in my life. My fingers were free and seemed to know where to go without thought. Unlike other drugs like LSD with seem to enhance creative potential, but hinder execution and motor skills (at least for me), DOC, if anything appears to improve motor skills.

I took the the DOC around 4pm (should've started earlier) and went to bed around 5am. I probably layed around for hours as I still felt residual stimulation, but there wasn't any 'cracked out' feeling I get with other psychedelics. I had plenty of Xanax on hand but decided against taking any. I woke up 6 hours after I went to bed and probably with half of that being actual sleep and felt tired, but otherwise quite good.

I can feel a bit of a motivational lift today as well, like I'm on a very low dose of a stimulant.

With my LSD supply almost gone and after accidentally throwing out a good portion of my 'stash' when I moved, I think DOC is my new 'Drug Of Choice'. Next time I'll probably try a little bit higher, closer to 3mg and start earlier in the day.

:)
 

I decided to give it a go this time (~2.5mg).
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There is a chance the dose may not be exact. The vial was a few years old, so there is the possibility of some degradation.

I'll likely try it again within a week or so. I generally HATE coming up on psychedelics but DOC is so slow and smooth I didn't mind it at all.
 
e1evene1even said:
After my first and only very lackluster trial with DOC a few years back (~1.8mg) I decided to give it a go this time (~2.5mg). I decided the spend the first bit in a nearby park reading, but I ended up spending close to 4 hours there, just reading, relaxing and meditating.

The come up was extremely smooth, and I felt no discomfort being in a public space.

There wasn't much in the way of visuals, only the minor standard psychedelic breathing. I felt quite connected to nature and noticed my vision was much improved. Other have described it better, but its like your eyes are taking much higher resolution pictures.

It wasn't until the sun had almost set and I stood up to go home that I felt the energy. It was like a constant stream throughout my body, but not uncomfortable in any way.

I got home watching a video or two on the computer and by that time most of the psychedelic effects had subsided and I was left with a very clean stimulant feeling.

Originally years ago reading the reports on DOC I was particularly intrigued by one of Blue Dolphins reports where he mentioned an enhanced musical ability. I found this too. I'm more of a guitar player, but I played piano better than I probably ever have in my life. My fingers were free and seemed to know where to go without thought. Unlike other drugs like LSD with seem to enhance creative potential, but hinder execution and motor skills (at least for me), DOC, if anything appears to improve motor skills.

I took the the DOC around 4pm (should've started earlier) and went to bed around 5am. I probably layed around for hours as I still felt residual stimulation, but there wasn't any 'cracked out' feeling I get with other psychedelics. I had plenty of Xanax on hand but decided against taking any. I woke up 6 hours after I went to bed and probably with half of that being actual sleep and felt tired, but otherwise quite good.

I can feel a bit of a motivational lift today as well, like I'm on a very low dose of a stimulant.

With my LSD supply almost gone and after accidentally throwing out a good portion of my 'stash' when I moved, I think DOC is my new 'Drug Of Choice'. Next time I'll probably try a little bit higher, closer to 3mg and start earlier in the day.

:)
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Glad you experienced the energy. :) That energy plateau is probably my favorite feeling of any drug. It's somehow so smooth and clean and benign... I can be up for 2 days and feel 100% the whole time (obviously I need to sleep afterwards). Great, great drug. I can get some really tremendous euphoria from that energy too. Incidentally phenibut at the right dose during DOC has some pretty intense euphoria/empathogenic potential. It's a very useful state (both DOC and DOC + phenibut).
 
i've been sitting with a vial of this for over a year and the good weather is making me want to give it a try.. i haven't even opened it yet.

how off-putting has the vaso-contriction been to people redosing? would it be a factor that put you off doc for good? i don't have any l-argenine unfortunately.

i'm familiar with the 2c-e bodyload, is the load anyway comparable?
 
^ This is not something you ever 'redose.' If you have a solid day and a half that you want to spend tripping, I would recommend just committing to a decent dose of DOI or simply taking a slightly higher dose of DOC--7.5-8mg will not leave you wanting to redose, period. I find the peripheral effects of DOC to be almost non-existant: it is the most peripherally translucent psychedelic amphetamine and for me, has far fewer 'ants in the pants' than 2C-E.
 
DOC + Urination?

After taking DOC again today I noticed a similar effect as last time.

Basically around 9-11 hours after taking the DOC my body seems to produce a lot of urine :\

Has anyone else noticed this or have more information on why this happens?

I found this thread:
http://www.bluelight.ru/vb/showthread.php?p=4688451

but not much else.

The only thing I can think of is that it causes a depletion of vasopressin or something.
 
Yeah, I guess I do notice that now that you mention it. I often urinate frequently though... probably due to my rate of kratom consumption. So it's hard to say.
 
Amphetamine itself is very diuretic, it doesn't seem too far-fetched to assume the psychedelic varieties are as well. Although I've never tried DOC so I cannot attest from personal experience. I have, however, used a lot of DOI and did notice some diuretic qualities (although nothing too extreme).
 
My recent experience with ~3.1mg was MUCH more intense than the ~2.5 I tried previously.

The come up was still relatively smooth, and relaxing. During this come up I found myself doing more thinking and psychological 'work', which while not necessarily fun, felt beneficial.

After I left the park I was in and came home t +3 the visuals became very noticeable . Everything was breathing and swirling. It felt a bit like 2C-B in that while the visuals were intense, mentally it was very controllable.

The stimulation was more noticeable as well and even though I was still quite relaxed (I almost could have fell asleep if I really wanted to) I could see how some could find it uncomfortable and found myself doing some yoga postures and stretching which helped the energy 'flow'.

Overall it was quite rewarding, but after I had mostly come down I noticed an alarming diuretic effect. Every 20-30 minutes I was emptying a FULL bladder.
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The residual psychedelic effects probably made me more concerned and I did briefly consider seeking medical attention, but decided against it and seeked more information online. My main concern was my electrolyte/salt balance and discovered that lemon juice + salt + water tastes EXACTLY like Gatorade, and probably works just as well :)

Anyway, I remembered research I had read that both psychedelics and amphetamines can cause greatly increased vasopressin release (likely why its so hard to piss at the peak of a trip) and depletion and since I had long ago thrown out my desmopressin I figured that some b-vitamins and methyl donors (trimethylglycine + cofactors) probably wouldn't hurt my pituitary in producing more. Placebo or not, I felt that at least I was doing something...

After approximately 3 hours of urinating every 20-30 minutes, the pace slowed to about every hour which lasted until the next morning, but which was much less alarming.

Before I take DOC again I'd like to know more about the diuretic effect and make sure there aren't any significant risks involved. It would be a real shame to have to shelve it though, since I like it almost as much as LSD...
 
I don't think that vasopressin release is responsible for the difficult urination. If anything, vasopressin is preventing the accumulation of urine. But since it's so hard to pee but you do still feel the sensations of a full bladder, the more likely candidate is excessive sympathetic activation which is important in the filling & retention phase of the bladder while a parasympathetic response is necessary for emptying. I don't know, just a thought.
 
i just got DOC from a friend of a friend today and was wondering about what to expect. He says that it's 4 mg's but who can really be sure about that, i didn't see him drop it onto the "blotter" he gave me (it was literally a 1.5" x 1.5" piece of what looked like illustration board) nor do i know if thats how he got it originally.

However the friend who referred me to him is really good friends with this guy and is very experienced with hallucinogens and has gotten this from him before and said he saw him drop it onto the same type of thing i got.

Eitherway, who knows for sure if it's actually 4 mg's. But let's just say it really is 4 mg's, what should i expect from a dosage like this? From what i've read on this thread that seems like a pretty high dose. I've done shrooms three times but have never done lsd. The friend who's very experienced with hallucinogens said that DOC's like lsd but not as intense.

Also, i was wondering how sensitive this stuff is to light. It was wrapped in tinfoil but my curiosity/excitement got the better of me and i unwrapped it to look at it but it was only under the light for 30 seconds or so (light source being a ceiling light).
 
DOC isn't very sensitive to light at all. It's extremely stable... stored properly it could last longer than a human lifespan. I've stored mine at room temperature for long periods of time and it's just fine.

4mg is pretty strong... I'd do 3mg probably. Save the 1mg for another time because a low dose is actually very nice, once you know what to expect from a full dose.
 
Xorkoth said:
4mg is pretty strong... I'd do 3mg probably. Save the 1mg for another time because a low dose is actually very nice, once you know what to expect from a full dose.
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How am I supposed to eye out 3 mg's when it's already dropped on something? i can't see the wet mark anymore though, should i just cut it in half?

Also, it has a very bad odor to it, almost like bug spray or something...i don't think that's normal. but than again idk.
 
I got some kind of mystical experience from 4.4mg...4mg is strong.

You can put your blotter in a measured amount of water, the DOC will dissolve. Then, measure out 3 mg.
 
lysergication said:
I got some kind of mystical experience from 4.4mg...4mg is strong.

You can put your blotter in a measured amount of water, the DOC will dissolve. Then, measure out 3 mg.
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wait, i'm supposed to take this piece of cardboard, let it sit in water for a while than somehow eye out 3 mg's? i thought that it was a bad idea to eye out dosages with water.
 
so i cut the blotter in half and took half of it, saving the other half for later. i was able to see very, very faintly an outline of where it was dropped and it took up the entire thing almost so that'll be fairly 2 mg's, if not, oh well.....either get a more powerful experience or gentler euphoric one.


expect a trip report soon (: i'm very excited for this stuff to start kickin' in.

I'm planning on going over to a friends house, he just got a new hookah and a bunch of different flavors and we're just gonna chill and watch movies.

how does DOC affect appetite? he's wanting me to throw down for a pizza but i'd think since this is an amphetamine that my appetite would be surpressed and also it's pretty common among all psychedelics from what i've heard.
 
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