The Big & Dandy DMT Thread - The Fifth Symphony

[marsmellow]

The spice extends life, the spice expands consciousness, the spice is vital to space travel.

-Dune

 

[Delsyd]

Yes he can snort it.

And the lye gunk can be dumped down the toilet. Isnt lye drain cleaner anyway?

Just curious what form you friends DMT is in and how it got that way, as most extraction teks lead you straight to the freebase.

 

[marsmellow]

"LSD burst over the dreary domain of the constipated bourgeoisie like the angelic herald of a new psychedelic millennium. We have never been the same since, nor will we ever be, for LSD demonstrated, even to skeptics, that the mansions of heaven and gardens of paradise lie within each and all of us."

-Terence Mckenna

 

[Delsyd]

He probably used the FASA method to convert it to fumurate.

I have heard that it keeps better as the Fumurate rather than the freebase. Perhaps thats why he did it.

The fumurate can be snorted but dosage would have to be adjusted for that particular salt. (perhaps someone else can help you out with that, or trial and error)

 

[tylerwashere]

Is flushing down the toilet the best way to dispose of the taxed bark? I dumped mine out in my backyard and i now have a nice brown circle. Not the best idea in retrospect...8)

 

[PepperSocks]

^ It's a strong lye solution with some hydrocarbon residue on it.

I've had a pickle jar full of the remnants in my room for a long while now and also need to figure out what to do with it.

Don't flush it down the toilet.

I'm used to lab situation where it just gets thrown in the chemical waste. It'd be a pain to drop it off at a hazardous waste center. I'm thinking of doing what I do for used oil from vehicles; put it in a large container that will be your waste reservoir and take it down to a hazardous waste center when it gets full.

 

[adrian89987]

Remove the top hydrocarbon little bit plus a little bit of the lye so that theres none of the organic solvent left, and then you should be able to dump the lye solution down the drain.

then evaporate the rest of the organic solvent i suppose

 

[Roger&Me]

If you added the NaOH in stoichiometrically exact amounts, you could always neutralize it with HCl to yield salt and water. Not hard to figure out how much acid is needed to neutralize it with some fairly rudimentary dimensional analysis.

That's assuming that you know the concentrations of your acid and base solutions exactly.

 

[PepperSocks]

If you added the NaOH in stoichiometrically exact amounts, you could always neutralize it with HCl to yield salt and water. Not hard to figure out how much acid is needed to neutralize it with some fairly rudimentary dimensional analysis.

That's assuming that you know the concentrations of your acid and base solutions exactly.

Now there's a chemistry experiment I want to try (with a robot controlled from a safe place) :D

750ml with 33g of NaOH in it is a 1.1M solution. Adding a 1.1M of HCL to the mix is going to make it VERY hot. If this is done I don't think it could be done in plastic and if done in glass I hope it doesn't shatter it.

Would be cool to see though

 

[adrian89987]

Neutralize very slowly indeed

 

[Roger&Me]

I'm sure it could be done in pyrex. A buret would be a must, you'd need to be able to dispense small measured amounts and do it slowly.

You could even do some nifty thermochemistry gymnastics to figure out just how hot its going to get, and check that against the safety specs of your glassware.

 

[tylerwashere]

^ It's a strong lye solution with some hydrocarbon residue on it.

I've had a pickle jar full of the remnants in my room for a long while now and also need to figure out what to do with it.

Don't flush it down the toilet.

I'm used to lab situation where it just gets thrown in the chemical waste. It'd be a pain to drop it off at a hazardous waste center. I'm thinking of doing what I do for used oil from vehicles; put it in a large container that will be your waste reservoir and take it down to a hazardous waste center when it gets full.

why not? lye is a drain cleaner....

 

[dread]

Because of the solvents, which are bad for the environment.

 

[PepperSocks]

hmm didn't take into account the fact that NaOH is a drain cleaner. When drain cleaners are used it's such a small amount; this is a fair bit of really strong NaOH solution. The solvent on top is pretty small so I'm not too worried about that but the strongly basic solution is what had me thinking.

I'm on a septic system so that's definitely a no-go; it would throw the pH in the tank and kill all the bacteria.

That strong of a lye solution is going to drastically increase pH levels of wherever you dump it.

Either way the toilet is the last place I would dump it. I got thinking about this actually and I think the best place would be a gravel driveway. Any solvent residue would evaporate off and the after the water evaporated from the gravel the lye would solidify and lay dormant in the driveway until it rained. At that point it would evenly dissipate beneath the gravel. Since there's nothing growing on the gravel nothing would die. It would eventually hit ground water but I'm thinking on the way down there it might get neutralized by natural acidic compounds in the soil. There would also be a huge dilution factor.

 

[dread]

^ that's quite clever actually. Now I'll just have to find me a gravel driveway.

 

[swilow]

^Extraction thread, people

I'm unsure if i broke through yesterday.. im actually a bit confused about the experience, so i was hoping some experienced people could help me out here

I've only done DMT 3-4 times.. the dose i had yesterday was a blend of crystal and herbal DMT. I've used pipes to smoke it before.. but i've found i can get more of an effect through a bong. This was done using a bong, and the first time i decided to keep my eyes closed.

I had almost a full cone of the mix, as soon as i exhaled it.. my head sunk down into my chest (a powering down type of feeling) my head slowly raised up again.. i was watching what seemed like a 3d morphing flower behind my eyes taking me through some type of tunnel twisting and turning.. it seemed like i was in a 3d wormhole.. as i went deeper the knowledge of everything started to become extremely confronting.. and i needed to open my eyes.

As i did i wasn't able to identify with my reality, everything looked different, nor was i able to identify with myself.. people around me looked alien like.. i had no personality for about 10mins.. just floating eyes. I thought i entered a state of psychosis.. cause everything seemed broken? people around me were talking in fast forward, i was getting odd feedback chatter from miles away..

It took me about 15mins before i was able to even speak.. my entire body started shaking uncontrollably and i felt like i was freezing.. took another 15mins before i was completely back.

Did i interrupt a process by opening my eyes?

Sorry this sounds kind of like a trip report ;p but it left me a bit confused..

Can you possibly describe what herbs are in your blend?

It sounds like you sorta interrupted the breakthrough- the wormhole thing is very common, like a big waving corridor of fractalising panels or some such- though there is usually some sort of 'display' in front of that, maybe clowny figures or some odd elemntal beings....

I personally find DMT better smoked by ones self- if may be wise to have a person near you just in case, but generally, I imbibe on me lonesome. That said, when I do smoke with other humans, I find it very amusing, possibly for the same reasons you felt "psychotic"- nothing 'real' makes sense, only the DMT does.

The shivering aspect- is a large compnonet of any form of anxiety; however, if your blend contains a MAOi, the shivering may be for a different, serotonergic reason...

 

[PepperSocks]

^Extraction thread, people

Yes, i was well aware of this and thought it should go over there, but the stream of conversation got started over here and continued to flow over here. It's kind of hard to control. Maybe it can get moved over there?

Now I'll just have to find me a gravel driveway.

hehe, dime a dozen around here. Definitely never run into that problem.

 

[junctionalfunkie]

Anyone familiar with the art of Jim Woodring? I think it captures the visual essence of a lot of my DMT experiences, in pieces like this one:

And this one:

And this one:

http://jimwoodring.blogspot.com/

 

[malakaix]

^Extraction thread, people

Can you possibly describe what herbs are in your blend?

It sounds like you sorta interrupted the breakthrough- the wormhole thing is very common, like a big waving corridor of fractalising panels or some such- though there is usually some sort of 'display' in front of that, maybe clowny figures or some odd elemntal beings....

I personally find DMT better smoked by ones self- if may be wise to have a person near you just in case, but generally, I imbibe on me lonesome. That said, when I do smoke with other humans, I find it very amusing, possibly for the same reasons you felt "psychotic"- nothing 'real' makes sense, only the DMT does.

The shivering aspect- is a large compnonet of any form of anxiety; however, if your blend contains a MAOi, the shivering may be for a different, serotonergic reason...

Unfortunately i dont know what the herbs were, a friend of mine does his own extractions.. but the blend he gave me another friend of his did that extraction.

There was a display in front of this seemingly endless wormhole.. from memory it seemed like some sort of goddess guiding me through.. telling me to follow her? Showing me how everything is and ever has been.

I think it reached a point where she showed me the 'reality' i understand it to be is nothing but an illusion my mind was creating.. this is where i felt like i needed to open my eyes to make sure it was still there? And yeah nothing did make sense except my experience.. hence why i guess i spiraled into a paranoia of feeling psychotic by making eye contact with people.. but been unable to identify with them or 'react'.

I'll definitely give it another shot in the future, im pretty sure the shaking was due to anxiety about me believing i had psychosis.. along with me having a difficult time to grasp what was been presented to me. Im extremely open minded.. but some of that was shown to me.. was totally unexpected.

 

[TheAppleCore]

Anyone familiar with the art of Jim Woodring? I think it captures the visual essence of a lot of my DMT experiences

Wow, those are some really cool pieces of artwork.

Although no, they don't really bring to mind DMT visuals. My DMT visuals are pretty much your classic, geometric kaleidoscopic "psychedelic visuals" as defined by popular culture.