Bupe Suboxone/Buprenorphine FAQ and Megathread v.1; 2007 - 2010

[ashla]

subutex and sweating

hi i am sorry if this was talked about i did search but i would like to get some responses to this,

first of my dose of sub is confused a bit right now because i had a baby and they increased my sub while i was pregnant so this is what i am asking, does to much subutex cause anyone sweating or could it be to little subutex,


i was on 24 mgs a day while i was pregnant and i sweat terribly but i am not sure if it was because of pregnancy or subutex, after i gave birth it stopped for a while but now six weeks later it is starting again, i am not sure how to dose, i would like to stay on the lower end of the scale with sub, so i am trying only to take 10 to twelve mgs a day, some days i sweat horribly and i end up taking more but i wonder by me taking more is causing the sweating and not helping it

maybe this sounds confusing and i apologize for this but i am trying to understand more about this, does anyone in here sweat from there dose of sub and is it because you think your on to much or not enough

thanks ashla

 

[ellua]

thanks for the replies. i have one more question.

does anyone know if suboxone shows up on the pmp=prescription monitoring program. it says shedule lll do, but i couldn't see bupe in the list.???

from what i remember seeing it's most common for a state to monitor all drugs in whichever schedules they choose to watch but perhaps there are some exceptions? i doubt bupe would be one of them, though.

 

[BiggDirty01]

Make sure you wait at least 24+ hours from your last H usage before taking any suboxone. I'm more of a pill-opiate guy, but half an 8mg sublingually will be a good place to start. Remember bupe (suboxone) has a very long half life so you wanna stretch your supply of Sub as long as possible.

Make sure you grab some OTC sleep stuff. Benadryly sometimes makes Restless legs (RLS) worse so maybe check out something like Sleep MD (worked for me coming off Hydro)

 

[dokomo]

Doxylamine succinate is also very good for sleep, and it's OTC.

 

[memphiseve]

Oh god, I feel for ya.
I dosed last Friday evening my last 40 OC. I am currently taking 80 mg total a day with 5 mg percs for bt.

I delt with 3 1/2 days of detox till I finally had my appt Monday at 2 pm.

I don't really know how I made it, I could hardly see and I could not focus, plus the shaking and sweats, and I'm so dehydrated at this time I cant even make tears, my mouth is cotton, restless body and I haven't been able to eat anything...ect.

After I get my scripts I go down to the nearest chain pharmacy to find out they will fill the percs but not the oxy for 5 more days. O_O OMG!!!

I was 30 miles from home and 32 miles from the Georgia border, so I go in to Ga. to another chain pharmacy near a hospital and get my refill.

I did my normal dose at 4:30 yesterday and took my dose this morning and I am still ill. Muscle cramps, shaking, but I finally got an appetite. I am still very tired and useless though.

Good luck and I wish you well. I hope not to ever have to do that again, but that was the first time I had ever run out of my meds.

 

[titicaca2]

36 hours from my last dose, I just took a little less than half of my suboxone sublingually. Took 2 1mg xanax at 8am when I first woke up. I just feel antsy. Going for a run would be great... but I know I could never get myself up and dressed and out there for it. RLS and chills and sweating.


I never got that immodium. Should I really use an OTC sleep aid when I could just load up on trazadone, klonipin, and xanax? And I am an experienced, well informed, benzo user. Trazadone is new to me though. I'm just so bored.

You know whats more fun than mild to moderate heroin withdrawals?

SMOKING HEROIN. Getting out there and copping just a bit to smoke. I'll kick later. My drug test isn't until the first. Why not wait? FUCK THIS. But no, I rationalize this a little better.... People are counting on you. Maybe if you just took some more suboxone you'd feel A-OK. My legs cramp, even after my suboxone. It hasn't been that long, wait for it to kick in, oh god. NO FUCK IT lets just go get a dub. Relax. Why detox now? I mean my drug test isn't til the first of september. NO THAT'S A BUNCH OF STUPID RATIONALIZATION. KICK TODAY. MAKE MOMMY PROUD. Let your first attempt be your last, a success story. Even if it wasn't for the withdrawals, I mean fuck, I've only got a month left to live. Well live a free life. Why not live it up, and just make sure I pee clean on the first? Mild withdrawals in BMT, well maybe I'll be so distracted I won't even notice them. Yeah thats the plan.

NO.

Kick it now. You're not even in that much pain. Suck it up. You're so much stronger than this. Show them!

 

[TheDankaholic]

36 hours from my last dose, I just took a little less than half of my suboxone sublingually. Took 2 1mg xanax at 8am when I first woke up. I just feel antsy. Going for a run would be great... but I know I could never get myself up and dressed and out there for it. RLS and chills and sweating.


I never got that immodium. Should I really use an OTC sleep aid when I could just load up on trazadone, klonipin, and xanax? And I am an experienced, well informed, benzo user. Trazadone is new to me though. I'm just so bored.

You know whats more fun than mild to moderate heroin withdrawals?

SMOKING HEROIN. Getting out there and copping just a bit to smoke. I'll kick later. My drug test isn't until the first. Why not wait? FUCK THIS. But no, I rationalize this a little better.... People are counting on you. Maybe if you just took some more suboxone you'd feel A-OK. My legs cramp, even after my suboxone. It hasn't been that long, wait for it to kick in, oh god. NO FUCK IT lets just go get a dub. Relax. Why detox now? I mean my drug test isn't til the first of september. NO THAT'S A BUNCH OF STUPID RATIONALIZATION. KICK TODAY. MAKE MOMMY PROUD. Let your first attempt be your last, a success story. Even if it wasn't for the withdrawals, I mean fuck, I've only got a month left to live. Well live a free life. Why not live it up, and just make sure I pee clean on the first? Mild withdrawals in BMT, well maybe I'll be so distracted I won't even notice them. Yeah thats the plan.

NO.

Kick it now. You're not even in that much pain. Suck it up. You're so much stronger than this. Show them!

That's a pretty damn spot on example of EXACTLY how my mind talks to me when it comes down to crunch time to detox and you know how easy it is just to end all the pain right there on the spot. In order for me to finally quit Tar heroin I had to move away to where my mind was like "Oh fuck why did you do that, i hate you, we don't have anyway to get better, your a fool, you have money fly home for the weekend and have a break, oh why why why did you move 1000 miles from that sweet opiate i need, I hate you, die die die"

It was a lot easier to finally stop though because my brain realized it was losing this battle period. Ahhhh Boise, Idaho... The land of no heroin!

 

[BiggDirty01]

For me Trazodone is an excellent sleep aid with very low abuse potential because it has like almost no side effects (except getting very sleepy quickly and having a slight hangover in the morning)

See if 50mg trazodone helps you sleep. If you can avoid a Benzo habit, you are better of bro. Coming off those can be just as bad as opiates.

-BD

 

[titicaca2]

100 mg of trazadone and 2 mg of xanax and 1 mg of klonipin put me to sleep from 12:30 am until 8:00 am, but I didn't feel rested. Then the sweating, chills, and antsyness set it. I took 2 more mg of xanax and went back to sleep until 11. By now I've taken almost half of my suboxone, and I'm feeling GREAT. Well not great... but OK. Normal. For the most part. Except the desire to smoke some dope because I'm bored and thats a definite cure for boredom. What should I do to keep myself occupied and not so god damn bored?

I need to get in shape before September 1st anyway, I'm going into BMT. But I'm not sure I could muster the will to do that right now, go for a run. I could muster the will to shower, shave, do some make up, maybe go tanning and do laundry... maybe.

Or I could remain on my couch, unshowered, looking like shit, and watching Dexter.

I'm having my mom pick up some immodium and doxylamine succinate for me. I think I'm leaving for San Francisco tomorrow (quite the drive for Portland) just as a last road trip before I leave. Might as well bring all my subs and like a gram. Because right now I feel so perfectly fine... not good... but fine. If I wait til tomorrow night to smoke, won't my system be cleaned out? Therefore I won't be physically addicted anymore, right?!

 

[tomatoxflames]

sorry, whats BMT? bupe maintenance treatment?

 

[Eight0Eight]

Also, as someone else said, I too went from 8mg and am down to 0.5-2mg per day. Normally about 1mg. I wake up each morning with runny eyes and having to take a massive shit. It's like clockwork.

Same here - but without the shit. :D

I wake up with restless legs and sweats most mornings. I'm on the same dose as you.

As from tommorrow I'm going down to 0.8mg/day

At least I'm getting a few valium though. Looking forward to that.

 

[Eight0Eight]

36 hours from my last dose, I just took a little less than half of my suboxone sublingually.

So you have taken 3 1/2 8mg sub's? or just half a single pill?

If its the former, then I suggest you start tapering down pretty hardcore.

 

[brutus]

sorry, whats BMT? bupe maintenance treatment?

Exactly. There's a link near the top of OD that has a thread regarding commonly used terms if you want to check it out.

 

[titicaca2]

Actually, BMT is basic military training. Yeah that's right, I ship out for the military in less than a month. Good time to get addicted, huh?

And at this point I've only taken half of one of my subs, and I'm feeling OK. Might even hop in the shower and go get a pedicure! And attend an NA meeting at 7. But going to the city where it is, with money in my pocket, could be a DISASTER.

Thoughts?

 

[Captain.Heroin]

Actually, BMT is basic military training. Yeah that's right, I ship out for the military in less than a month. Good time to get addicted, huh?

And at this point I've only taken half of one of my subs, and I'm feeling OK. Might even hop in the shower and go get a pedicure! And attend an NA meeting at 7. But going to the city where it is, with money in my pocket, could be a DISASTER.

Thoughts?

BMT stands for buprenorphine maintenance therapy in this forum.

Don't go to NA meetings, you can quit heroin on your own. Especially if the NA meeting is close to the source of dope, and you'll have money when going. You might just say fuck it and go get dope instead.

You should stay away from the areas where you used to use if at all possible.

You'll be fine with the alprazolam and the buprenorphine. That will help you quit on its own. If you want to use diphenhydramine hcl or doxylamine succinate for sleep to avoid building an alprazolam tolerance, go for it.

Keep in mind you want to taper to lower doses of the Suboxone as soon as you can to keep the withdrawal as pleasant as possible. If you "ship out" for basic military training soon, then it sounds like you're going to have very little time to build up a real Suboxone dependency too.

Good luck.

Oh, I almost forgot: there's a Suboxone Mega Thread. You should have posted this in there.

 

[Eight0Eight]

Don't go to NA meetings, you can quit heroin on your own. Especially if the NA meeting is close to the source of dope, and you'll have money when going. You might just say fuck it and go get dope instead.

You should stay away from the areas where you used to use if at all possible.

Yes I agree, with you Captain.

I have the same problem when I go to get my scripts. I just give into the city everytime and score. I mean, I wouldn't say "NEVER TRY NA" - its not my sort of thing, but maybe wait until you can access it in a different area.

 

[Captain.Heroin]

Yes I agree, with you Captain.

I have the same problem when I go to get my scripts. I just give into the city everytime and score. I mean, I wouldn't say "NEVER TRY NA" - its not my sort of thing, but maybe wait until you can access it in a different area.

lol @ the lime color

Yes, I agree with 808, if you want to try NA, find a different NA meeting outside of the dope arena.

 

[recovering26]

Well I have been tracking this process for a while now, and now I am hitting hour 72 or so without subs and now the legs are sore, bones creaky, an occassional chill comes over my body that rattles my teeth. I forgot this feeling since the last days of hydros back in april. It isn't bad yet, but it is like lightening behind black clouds on the horizon. I can even smell it if anyone can relate to that. Fuck! Lol is this also thr place to whine and snivel on here? If not where do I go, bcuz my wait is apparantly over!

 

[Captain.Heroin]

i have a few questions about it though.. do i have to be clean from methadone, or any opiates before being put on suboxone?

You have to be in WD from opiates to go on suboxone. It's advisable that you switch to a shorter acting opiate (for a short while) in between methadone and suboxone.

does it go on your doctor record so i wont ever get opiates if needed later in life?

No. This is a myth (For the United States). What "record" do you think exists about you that you don't get to see?

and does it kill pain at all? even a little bit? i get back pain and migranes ALL of the time.. and tylenol/aleve does not do ANYTHING except make me sick..

I have a friend with moderate back pain, and compared to heroin (which would be a 10 out of 10 for analgesia), they said Suboxone is a 6 out of 10 for analgesia. I don't know how well this subjective rating will help you, people are unique and individual differences lead people to taking different pain medications for different reasons.

expect suboxone withdrawal to be milder, yet longer than normal opiates. the worst part for me is the persistent lack of energy. i find it hard to do anything. the sweating sucks too.
you shoudl try to lower your dose to 8 or even 4 mg. i went from 24mg a day to 8mg in a single day. i felt little withdrawal from the difference. from 8mg i've moved all the way down to .5. the withdrawal at .5 still feels the same IMO.

PinK~cloud is right. I have tapered to 0.3mg at a time, and it feels essentially the same as 0.5mg or 1mg at a time. At 2mg (or more) at a time, I actually start to get less desirable effects.

Well I have been tracking this process for a while now, and now I am hitting hour 72 or so without subs and now the legs are sore, bones creaky, an occassional chill comes over my body that rattles my teeth. I forgot this feeling since the last days of hydros back in april. It isn't bad yet, but it is like lightening behind black clouds on the horizon. I can even smell it if anyone can relate to that. Fuck! Lol is this also thr place to whine and snivel on here? If not where do I go, bcuz my wait is apparantly over!

You can complain here a little, but if you need to go on a long rant about WD, then post a thread in here: http://www.bluelight.ru/vb/forumdisplay.php?f=47

If you have questions about Suboxone, this is the place to do it.

 

[kasad]

happens to many people, methadone is even worse. I sweat like a pig and didn't used to before addiction (and I'm on bupe maintenance)

edit:

and congratz on baby? :D

boy or girl?

Is baby successfully weaned of opies with laudanum? I hope baby is fine now.