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Violent civil war over drug legalization inevitable in U.S.?

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I can't really see it happening any other way, unfortunately. People want to use drugs, govt says no because of a, b, and c. People hold protests and get miniscule laws changed. A state or two largely doesn't mind if you smoke weed and grow it. But the federal govt holds the cards, and the answer to legalization is an unequivocal "no" from their end. So eventually this is going to turn violent. It's the only way things get taken care of in less than two lifetimes of waiting for the political machine.....
 
honestly i just dont see this happening. I can see more violence spilling over from south of the border, but i cant see a "Civil War" over drugs in the US. At least not a violent one.

What makes you think something like this will happen?
 
^Well, to a lot of people it already is a civil war. There are a ton of minorities who are basically filling the prision system because they are supplying what is demanded by a lot of people. These people have families that have put up houses for bond, lost everything, etc., just to keep the dealers out of jail. I think these people probably already feel that there's a violent war raging, but the govt happens to be kind enough not to kill them, but lock them in a cage and ruin their futures.
 
That would only happen if everyone couldnt get drugs at all. The reason the movemnet isnt super strong is everyone can still get the drugs when they are illegal so why bother legalizing, just my opinion.
 
Yeah I know how you feel because I feel the same way. But there are people who are locked up for long periods of time right now, some of them have to worry about getting stabbed by real criminals, just for being the hook up. There is going to be a boiling point, because that;s just not fair.
 
I of course want narcotics(allof them) legal but Im not picketing and alot of people arent cause we are smoking a bowl right now. My point is its not gov't overthrow people should be pondering its how to get the masses of drug users to stand up as one and show that we are a force(population wise). Similar to the way Marx thought, the power comes when the masses become self aware of there power not individually but en mass. Hope that makes sense as Im pretty baked right now ;).
 
Nixon declared war 40 years ago and shots have been fired from both sides. The prisons are half full of prisoners of the drug war, propaganda is being spread, and every person in the country has pretty much picked a side. So there is already alot of violent conflict within the US over drug policy/trade.

But do I think cities will start burning down and the streets will be amuck with straight up guerilla warfare? Probably not
 
what exactly is the difference betwen us and the sober people, aside from a perspective that is laughed at? I don't think it's a handicap at all unless a person really does just sit there and get wasted as hell on a couch all day. The ony problem with a realy civil war, at least that I can see, is that the only benefit would be legalization and a bunch of freed prisoners. What about the money?
 
I doubt it would ever happen. Who would fund it? Sure drug cartels could afford to but why would they want to when they make their money from drugs being illegal.

We as drug users would be no better than prohibitionists who ruin countless lives if we were to wage a civil war that would undoubtedly result in a lot of death.
 
of course it's never gonna happen. there aren't enough people who use drugs and care about the legality of them when things are just fine now- and everyone can pretty much get whatever they want regardless of legal status-
yeah is pot gonna eventually become legal? yes, because states need cash (especially now) and will tax the shit out of weed--and more and more young people are coming of age that smoke and will have clout in political and business circles, they and everyone else are tired of the bullshit that weed is a dangerous drug BUT these same people would never bear arms, or challenge the gov't (like i said, eventually they will be the gov't!) for everyone else: the legislators, politicians, pharm companies, law enforcement, etc. AND all the stoners/ pillheads/coke/crackadillies and junkies on the opposing team EVERYTHING WILL CONTINUE AS BUSINESS AS USUAL because there is 1) large amounts of money involved, steady civil service jobs, prisons, budgets- a huge complex built on our bullshit drug policy of the last 30 yrs AND us dopers have enough to handle keepin habits goin, procuring substances, regular shit like jobs , families, etc WHO WOULD HAVE TIME FOR A STUPID WAR THAT WOULD UPSET THE APPLE CART WHEN THINGS ARE FINE FOR ALL SIDES WITH THE PRESENT (IF RIDICULOUS AND HYPOCRITICAL) STATUS QUO?!!?!
 
^i understand what your saying, but how are things fine for all sides in the present? they are good for the drug cartels and the government, but they are not good at all for drug users. yes people can easily acquire their drug of choice, but there is also all the other bullshit that goes along, like going to jail, family disowning you, friends disowning you, lifestyle i.e. sharing needles, dangerous cuts, violence with drug dealers and such, etc... things are not good on ALL sides.
 
If everyone was totally for drug use then I could see it happening but there are a lot of people who are totally against drug use or don't give a shit whether it's legal or not. Most of us probably come from bigger cities and are more open to this, this is not the case for the majority of people in the US.

I would love to see all drugs legalized but at this point am happy about every little step in that direction. People should not go to jail over drug use/sale. It's an absolute violation of human rights IMO. But then jails are economic powerhouses so it's definitely profitable for someone to keep as many people in jail as possible. Violent crimes don't fill jails enough so they found another slave/scapegoat, the drug user/seller. They know people will always use/sell drugs so it's just an easy target.

I definitely believe that drug criminalization is not at all about the drugs being bad for us but about filling jails. IMO it's just another form of slavery. If the gov't cared so much about our health we would all have healthcare and 50% of the population wouldn't go w/o it. It's all about profit for most people in power.

I once read an interesting idea "follow the money and things will make sense" and they do make sense that way. Most people who hold power didn't get there by being nice, they got there by being selfish assholes that feel entitled to more than everyone else. So to think that these people will have our interests in mind is just laughable.
 
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Thizzerfershizzer said:
I can see more violence spilling over from south of the border, but i cant see a "Civil War" over drugs in the US. At least not a violent one.
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Funny, this violence that occurs in Mexico and might spill over is a result of prohibitionist policies, but yet we are led to believe that drugs and drug sales/use is the problem

I could never see any violent conflict over legalization occurring. Too much is at stake. Both the prohibitionists and the black market players have too much at stake to risk it. Those in power gain money and influence over the people due to the propaganda they put out, plus more control means they benefit more. On the other hand, the criminal organizations and black marketeers make tremendous profits off the sale of contraband. If legalization were to occur, legitimate business would put them out of work and cut their profits, much like what happened to the mafia following the end of prohibition

Either way, the only ones in favor of legalization are users and those who are liberty oriented, and unfortunately their voices are overpowered by those in charge of both ends of the drug war
 
evilthree said:
Funny, this violence that occurs in Mexico and might spill over is a result of prohibitionist policies, but yet we are led to believe that drugs and drug sales/use is the problem

I could never see any violent conflict over legalization occurring. Too much is at stake. Both the prohibitionists and the black market players have too much at stake to risk it. Those in power gain money and influence over the people due to the propaganda they put out, plus more control means they benefit more. On the other hand, the criminal organizations and black marketeers make tremendous profits off the sale of contraband. If legalization were to occur, legitimate business would put them out of work and cut their profits, much like what happened to the mafia following the end of prohibition

Either way, the only ones in favor of legalization are users and those who are liberty oriented, and unfortunately their voices are overpowered by those in charge of both ends of the drug war
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Great post
 
A civil war over the legalization of cannabis? lol not gonna happen...ever.

I think it's way more likely that we keep taking baby steps.
first towards federal medical marijuana. (I'd say this'll happen in 10-20 years)
Then decriminalization that will start in California in the nest 5-10 years. So long as Californians don't fuck it up, it will slowly creep across the liberal states.(another 10-20 years).
So long as there isn't a conservative christian backlash, I could easily imagine federal US legalization in around 40 years tops.

I'm pretty sure the change will happen slowly over the next 10-40 years. Some time in my lifetime I'm pretty sure I'll be able to legally grow my own marijuana for personal use. You got to understand the biggest voting block in the US is baby boomers and retirees. And a lot of these people lived through reefer madness propaganda and as they die off and we become the major voting block in the US things will change. I'm optimistic but there are certainly some very stupid close minded people in the US too.
 
dankstersauce said:
A civil war over the legalization of cannabis? lol not gonna happen...ever.

I think it's way more likely that we keep taking baby steps.
first towards federal medical marijuana. (I'd say this'll happen in 10-20 years)
Then decriminalization that will start in California in the nest 5-10 years. So long as Californians don't fuck it up, it will slowly creep across the liberal states.(another 10-20 years).
So long as there isn't a conservative christian backlash, I could easily imagine federal US legalization in around 40 years tops.

I'm pretty sure the change will happen slowly over the next 10-40 years. Some time in my lifetime I'm pretty sure I'll be able to legally grow my own marijuana for personal use. You got to understand the biggest voting block in the US is baby boomers and retirees. And a lot of these people lived through reefer madness propaganda and as they die off and we become the major voting block in the US things will change. I'm optimistic but there are certainly some very stupid close minded people in the US too.
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But you're assuming that the majority voting block will allow for such a thing, maybe they will, but maybe they won't.
 
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