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Bearlove

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Leading on from the "Pill reports is crap" thread – We are only too happy to listen to constructive criticism and suggestions that could improve the quality of the site for everyone.

So over to you, if there is something your not happy about or think would be an improvement – lets hear from you :).
 
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I thought I would put a few points up on this one

Fill out the reports in English and in a manner that people can understand, don’t use loads of abbreviations, txt message talk, or mixed fonts

Try to include as much information about the pill as possible, a photo of the front, side and back are the best but try to include


DIMENSIONS:
SHAPE: (eg. round with domed or flat face & back)
COLOUR: (note if speckled or a plain colour also)
LOGO: (plz describe well or give link to logo brand website)
PRESS: (Is the logo indented or embossed [out-pressed]?)
EDGES: (Is there a bevel on the face or back?)
SCORE/SNAP LINE:
SMELL:
TASTE: (give it a lick and describe)
TEXTURE: (hard or soft & crumbly, ect)


For the report try to include -
Time to come up, effects (eye wiggles, jaw tension, empathy (loved up), pupils, sweating), length of roll, come down, any problems sleeping afterwards, next day feeling. Also did they make you want to get up and dance/move around or just sit in one place and talk to friends etc

Keep the comments relevant to the pill on the report

Stop all the BS about the pressers – The pokeball man / the mint man etc,

Stop all the guessing at what is in a pill going from a picture

Stop looking for the most obscure chemical and say it sounds like that

Stop using the site to call people/leave derogatory remarks

Nobody really cares if you watch the pills getting pressed, you know the chemist, the distributor or if you know of x amount of thousands of pills in x area. So dont mention it - This only attracts the wrong kind of attention to both you and the site.

Don’t talk about clubs/events where you are using or taking drugs – this only puts them and you at risk.

Do not leave links to any substances, the common one being www.insertcompanyname.com makes and sells fake pills - erm your advertising and making matters worse!

Be friendly - if a noob puts up a piperazine report - dont just call them and laugh at them, help - give advise, links, information etc

Rate the reports - if you dont trust it give it the thumbs down

Try and not do reports when you are still high and try to avoid mixed pill reports as the results cant be trusted as you dont know which pill was doing what or if there were any interactions between the two (or more) pills

If your suspected contents is MD.. and anything else your rating should be Adulterated and the mdma content showed in your report

If you see any dealing/sourcing/leaving contact information or abusive comments - PLEASE send in a quick message using the contact support function, just give the thread ID and one of the mods will have a look asap and sort it out.

The site can only be as good as the reports and comments that people leave!

Safe everyone
Bearlove
 
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well u pretty much got it all covered there maybe try and encourage people to read the guidelines of the site more and maybe even enforce misuse of the site a little more harshly and keep on top of those reports that say they were awesome def mdxx high i rolled balls all night because we all know that is not helping anyone.



and i also agree everyone should stop over speculating on what a pill is i know of a few people on pr that do it wayyyy to much because lets face it in a place like the states or europe there could be a number of different presses that are the same stamp and colour one could be mdxx one could be whatever.



maybe even a few new mods could help because i noticed some of the reports from the states remain untouched for quite sometime even if there is an event name on there this has only happened a couple of times but it could still be a cause for concern.

all in all i would just say people need to not abuse the site because after all it is a harm reduction site not a shout out/sourcing/bullshitting/namecalling site. you mods do a good enough job i guess it just comes down to the users now respect the muntlord
 
I didn't even know you could change font?
I just hate it when people talk lyk dish.
Or like this!!!
Posted on February 13, 2009, 4:55 pm GMT by watership
yo yo yo these are fashizzle ma twizzle nizzle, they be kickin it oldschool hardcore, busta niggahs brain, fashizzle if ya get a chanceizzle homeboy, word!
 
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Thanks for your comments muntlord (really appreciated) - honestly you have no idea how many threads we remove by people leaving rubbish reports (some people think that "rolled balls" or "I was so fkd up" is a report). The last couple of months have been pretty tough for the site though - we lost one of our well respected mods so that left Ravenousblonde and myself to mod the entire site - we then took on Ekstasis (mainly AU), Vivaviva (notorious NL/Europe section) and then dfwroll (mainly US section) so things are just starting to get back to normal on the mod side of things.

We are desperate for somebody with some coding/Web Page experience to lend a hand to the site and make some desperately needed changes for us (free of charge though) – which would really tidy the place up and stop a lot of the abuse by users.

Everything else is down to the people making posts/comments!

Bear
 
Yeah Watership received a message about his replies :) - Its not really font size but when - P3oPlE R3pLy Like **:) tHi$ *** arrgh
 
Here's a technical suggestion (I'm not sure if it's a feature when you log in? I haven't registered on PR yet :o If it is please ignore this)

Would it be possible to implement a system whereby you could click on a users name in either a report or comment, and have it link to the respective search by username? That is, click on someone's name and have it bring up the last 10 posts they've made etc. That or some statistics such as how many reports/comments they've made etc?

It's easy to see on bluelight whether someone has been on here for years and made a ton of posts but significantly harder on PR to tell the same.
 
belarki said:
Here's a technical suggestion (I'm not sure if it's a feature when you log in? I haven't registered on PR yet :o If it is please ignore this)

Would it be possible to implement a system whereby you could click on a users name in either a report or comment, and have it link to the respective search by username? That is, click on someone's name and have it bring up the last 10 posts they've made etc. That or some statistics such as how many reports/comments they've made etc?

It's easy to see on bluelight whether someone has been on here for years and made a ton of posts but significantly harder on PR to tell the same.
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It's not hard at all. If you had registered, you would be able to tell by going to the "Search Reports" function, located here: http://www.pillreports.com/index.php?page=search_reports

Just search by username. :) You can also search comments the same way by going here: http://www.pillreports.com/index.php?page=search_comments

=D
 
Start selling MDMA through the site? Sure would raise money, got a whole market of users already on it everyday.. Seriously, best idea ever!
 
^Sorry tekkeN that function is only for the mods ;) - thats probably why we never make any reports :D
 
^ If thats the case then i should be captain modshit! =D

I think theres alot of problems with people rating pills as mdxx high, about 90% of the pills rated high are not. All the pokeballs have been rated high, fact is they were tested at 95mg which is not high, high is 120+ lets keep it that way, if not things become very confusing!

Also alot of pills in Aus and N.American sections which contain speed/meth are not being rated as adulterated, fact is an Ecstacy pill should be MDMA and no other active ingrediants. I would be in a bad way if i ended up taking a pill with meth or speed in it, so why no warning? I've pointed this out a few times now.

And alot of people will agree, it would be very usefull to have a section for real MDMA reports. Even the real stuff these days seems to be coming in varying forms. I had a tiny bit of real stuff this weekend (monday morning nearly :)) it was almost purple, and all powder. It would be very good to have 1 report a month where people could post pics of the real MDMA thats around... Just my opinion tho!
 
Thanks for those points Captain Codshit - I have addressed the adulterated contents above and if you look around the last couple of pages in the US threads I change the suspected contents and add the rating to the report. I "used" to add a warning to any report that was adulterated until some of the regular users complained about it/me and requested warning to be saved for "dangerous" pills. So now I add the message to the OP, if you think the thread needs a warning please add one. In the UK you appreciate warnings on pills (after the “stars” carry on) and often request a warning to be added to a report which I quite happily add.

Were still on the hunt for somebody that can do some coding work around the site-I wanted the warning to appear “automatically” when the adulterated was chosen. The new coding work will also address the High/med/low dose - and people should keep high for those pills that knock your socks off and not just “high” in today’s market.

Bear
 
Just added

Do not leave links to any substances, the common one being www.insertcompanyname.com makes and sells fake pills - erm your advertising and making matters worse!

From now any person I see doing this will be banned !
 
I stated this on a PR as a comment, but is much more relevant here:

The only thing that I wish this site could change is possibly use a rating system so that we can weed out the false reports by keeping track of the users that give unbiased information and reports. Even the users at bluelight agree that the reports here should only be taken with a grain of salt.

Some other sites require moderator approval for new users until an arbitrary number of valid posts are reviewed and approved. Once users are somewhat experienced and known to this site can they post reports or comments without approval. I'm sure lots of frequent users would not mind logging in and approving a handful of posts every so often.
 
Wow - I had a similar conversation yesterday!

Posted on July 14, 2009, 1:12 am GMT by kingpin007
^^^ Yep so always do a detailed search on the username to see just how many reports that person has done and if they are credible.

http://www.pillreports.com/index.php?page=search_reports

@BL if new users to pillreports and bluelight had to wait until a mod activated their new account and they could not make a post before that it may deter some of these idiots ..?


Posted on July 14, 2009, 7:40 am GMT by bearlove
Kingpin - IF somebody wanted to make a fake report they would just edit the report after we accepted it! Its quicker to let the report get made and then have the users flame it as fake/bs/dealer etc. (Dont forget that sometimes the mod in your area may be away and somebody needs to cover - they wont know whats real in the area or not, this would lead to crazy delays etc.

Bear
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It’s a catch 22 situation - if we stop people making reports or have to approve them before they are accepted onto the site then the danger is somebody who wants to make an Urgent post on a dangerous pill cant. The flip side is people are free to make BS reports –

We always say IF a new user makes a report on HIGH mdma - Best pill ever - you have to try this etc to take the report with a pinch of salt until some replies appear from the regular crowd. Thankfully the group of regulars we have (in all regions) are quick to notice when a report doesn’t sound true/accurate and are quick to say so in the thread (sometimes a bit too quick) but you get the idea.

It’s a great Idea though and something that is being said more and more – how to safely implement it though is a tricky one?

I’ll mention this in the moderator section and see if anyone has some suggestions.

Thanks
Bear
 
Bearlove said:
I thought I would put a few points up on this one

Fill out the reports in English and in a manner that people can understand, don’t use loads of abbreviations, txt message talk, or mixed fonts

Try to include as much information about the pill as possible, a photo of the front, side and back are the best but try to include

SHAPE/LOGO:
DIMENSIONS:
WEIGHT:
COLOUR:
EDGES:
TEXTURE:
SMELL:
TASTE:
SCORE (line on the back)

For the report try to include -
Time to come up, effects (eye wiggles, jaw tension, empathy (loved up), pupils, sweating), length of roll, come down, any problems sleeping afterwards, next day feeling. Also did they make you want to get up and dance/move around or just sit in one place and talk to friends etc

Keep the comments relevant to the pill on the report

Stop all the BS about the pressers – The pokeball man / the mint man etc,

Stop all the guessing at what is in a pill going from a picture

Stop looking for the most obscure chemical and say it sounds like that

Stop using the site to call people/leave derogatory remarks

Nobody really cares if you watch the pills getting pressed, you know the chemist, the distributor or if you know of x amount of thousands of pills in x area. So dont mention it - This only attracts the wrong kind of attention to both you and the site.

Don’t talk about clubs/events where you are using or taking drugs – this only puts them and you at risk.

Do not leave links to any substances, the common one being www.insertcompanyname.com makes and sells fake pills - erm your advertising and making matters worse!

Be friendly - if a noob puts up a piperazine report - dont just call them and laugh at them, help - give advise, links, information etc

Rate the reports - if you dont trust it give it the thumbs down

Try and not do reports when you are sober and try to avoid mixed pill reports as the results cant be trusted as you dont know which pill was doing what or if there were any interactions between the two (or more) pills

If your suspected contents is MD.. and anything else your rating should be Adulterated and the mdma content showed in your report

If you see any dealing/sourcing/leaving contact information or abusive comments - PLEASE send in a quick message using the contact support function, just give the thread ID and one of the mods will have a look asap and sort it out.

The site can only be as good as the reports and comments that people leave!

Safe everyone
Bearlove
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Good idea. Create input fields on the submission page that allow room for all of this information and provide descriptions of what exactly to put in those fields and how to fill them out properly.
 
Bearlove said:
It’s a catch 22 situation - if we stop people making reports or have to approve them before they are accepted onto the site then the danger is somebody who wants to make an Urgent post on a dangerous pill cant. The flip side is people are free to make BS reports –

We always say IF a new user makes a report on HIGH mdma - Best pill ever - you have to try this etc to take the report with a pinch of salt until some replies appear from the regular crowd. Thankfully the group of regulars we have (in all regions) are quick to notice when a report doesn’t sound true/accurate and are quick to say so in the thread (sometimes a bit too quick) but you get the idea.

It’s a great Idea though and something that is being said more and more – how to safely implement it though is a tricky one?

I’ll mention this in the moderator section and see if anyone has some suggestions.

Thanks
Bear
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How about verified/unverified reports... This way anyone can make a unverified post, and once verified users or moderators approve the post it becomes verified and then the user will get a verified user account once x verified reports are made. They can also be colored in green similar to how warning posts are shown in red.

Pretty much a similar idea to how we already vote and give star ratings to reports. You need to be able to use those ratings for something credible. If you can tell by my reports, all but one of them have 4+ stars and some have up to 9 votes which is high for most reports. Users should now have a clear indication that my posts are unbiased and true.

For example: I have made 10 reports. Of those 10 reports, 44 votes were made. 205 stars in total out of a possible 220. That brings my average rating to 93% or 4.7 stars. If you link the star ratings to the user that created the report as well as the report as well, you can easily determine the possible quality of the report. Of course it would have to be based on number of votes cast as well as overall average, since I would not trust a person who only had one vote at 5 stars since that can be faked easily.

The problem with pillreports is that you have to get away from "the reports should be taken with a grain of salt". If I wanted an opinion about a pill that can be taken with a grain of salt, I would ask my dealer. What use is pillreports then? You NEED to find a way to tell the users that they can use this information safely somehow.

The way to do this is by either:
A) Preventing False reports by way of an approval system.
B) Use the rating system to easily show users what may be a valid and unbiased report.

I know now you do not want to go with the first option since that will delay reports that may aid in the safety of pillreport users, and it will also need more work from moderators or users with approval credentials.

That leaves my second option which I think is relatively easily implemented since the voting system is already in use.

Another problem I see is ghost accounts, or accounts used to bump another users rating. This may be more work than a dealer may be willing to go, or it might not be. That issue can be addressed later on with ip logging or some other verification.

Another thing I like from blog sites is thumbs up/down for comments. That way I can give some asshole a thumbs down without having to make derogatory remarks back. That might prevent some arguments and other back and fourths which plague the site.

What do you think of that Bear?
 
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I appreciate what you are saying with the rating system, but as it is right now, I do not think PR, in it's current state, is capable of such a thing. We depend on the star system right now to give people credibility. Even if we could, I would hesitate to tell people they could trust another user. There is always the chance (and it happens a lot) that a "trusted" user puts up a report on a 'good' pill, someone gets a crap copycat, then complains that they got bad info from a "trusted" user on the PR website. :(

I do like these ideas though, and would love to see things happen, but, until we get the current version of PR fixed, or come into a lot of money to get the whole site reworked, we'll have to work with the system as it is.
 
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