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IME, I would take a little Klonipin waiting for WD, maybe 12 hours after you use, because when the anxiety hits, I personally am not ready for the sub. It is still too soon and the anxiety is usually the first symptom. If you take the sub too soon, it will be hell.

I usually take just a piece of a K-pin about 12 hours after my last shot of H and then usually rest/sleep and wake up ready for the sub which is at about 18 hours for me. I cannot get to the point of withdrawal I need to be in order to take the sub without any help. The K-pin is the ticket for me. Just my experience and thought I'd share it.
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Your experience is similar to my friend who gave me the subs experience, so I will more than likely follow suit with it.

But what if my last shot of dope was around 7P.M the night before, then I went to bed around 2a.m, waking up around 2p.m. That's 5+2+12=19 hours, and that's usually my sleeping schedule these days, so I guess that would work as well? If not I'll just take the kpins to help the beginning w/d stages. (I don't start feeling sick until the 8-12 hour mark usually, and by that time I'm already asleep usually)

I've also heard it's best to "shit like a motherfucker", to some extent lol, before taking the first dose of subs, as it constipates you the same as dope. Any input with this?
 
If you could sleep through that's great. I would normally wake up in a sweat/panic/insomniac state after about 12 hours from my last shot and still have to get through 6 hours before I could start the sub. But if you could make it through 19 hours without too many symptoms, then have at it. I just can't do it. Getting onto sub has always been extremely difficult for me, but since I started using the k-pin to help, it's been a snap.

As far as sub and shitting, yes it is very constipating, but if you are waiting to take it 19 hours, I'm sure you will have shit pretty good by the time your ready for it. IME, if I am using H regularly, say every 8 hours and I wait, say, 8.5 hours instead of 8, my body responds by taking a dump and the same goes for the sub. If I skip a day (which is real easy once your stable) my body will respond appropriately.

Good luck, hope all goes well.
Robin
 
Is not being able to sleep on suboxone common or am I experiencing insomnia because I'm not taking a high enough sub dose?

God I wish I had some benzos right now.

edit: If you take subs too early, its not that they won't work, its just that you MIGHT experience some precipitated withdrawal as the sub takes effect and knocks any remaining opiates off them receptors to make room for itself. Even if it does precipitate withdrawal it won't last for more than 45 min-1hr in my experience. I've definitely taken sub only 8-12 hours after my last heroin dose because I was starting to get sick and had to be functional so I said fuck it. I felt the same (shitty) for about an hour then was fine.
 
Id becareful mixing all those meds together. Mixing seroquel with clonidine can drop your blood pressure and taking promethazine with the seroquel will really add to the anti-cholinergic effects not to mention promethazine has some very mild dopamine blocking effects.

Still they should be safe to mix just don't take them at the same time. Also with the subs you should hardly need any extra meds besides the clonazepam and maybe promethazine.
 
hey every one i am new to this site and am in need of some advice. i have been using oxys for a a little over a year. my habit started with doing a 40mg every now and again (which at the time would wreck me) and eventually started doing it every day. it got way worst when i when out to LA in cali for a couple weeks and got a hook up there that was about 75% cheaper for 80s then i was paying for on the east coast. so i was doing like two a day. then my father passed away and stupidly i began using more oxy then ever as to avoid my real emotions and feelings. long story short i was on between 3-5 80s a day for the last couple months.

I realize now i can no longer deal with this life style. i have been trying to quit now for about two months and it has been a bumpy road. the first attempt i when on bups for like 4 days, but then went back to the oxys. then did that process again a few more times. all in all i have made it so i am doing less oxy. some days i still do 3 but it is more like 1 or 2 on most days. but i still need to do at least one a day to avoid feeling like shit.

now for my question. i have a script of tramadol 50mg tabs. i heard you can tapper down using those. has anyone ever done this? what is the best way of going about this? i really wanna make this work.
 
phillyrz said:
hey every one i am new to this site and am in need of some advice. i have been using oxys for a a little over a year. my habit started with doing a 40mg every now and again (which at the time would wreck me) and eventually started doing it every day. it got way worst when i when out to LA in cali for a couple weeks and got a hook up there that was about 75% cheaper for 80s then i was paying for on the east coast. so i was doing like two a day. then my father passed away and stupidly i began using more oxy then ever as to avoid my real emotions and feelings. long story short i was on between 3-5 80s a day for the last couple months.

I realize now i can no longer deal with this life style. i have been trying to quit now for about two months and it has been a bumpy road. the first attempt i when on bups for like 4 days, but then went back to the oxys. then did that process again a few more times. all in all i have made it so i am doing less oxy. some days i still do 3 but it is more like 1 or 2 on most days. but i still need to do at least one a day to avoid feeling like shit.

now for my question. i have a script of tramadol 50mg tabs. i heard you can tapper down using those. has anyone ever done this? what is the best way of going about this? i really wanna make this work.
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can you elaborate on your experience with bupe. Why did you go back after 2-3 days on bupe?

If you are trying to taper or substitute, the bupe is going to be far better than tramadol for you. Can you get more?

A few posts up I referenced a friend of mine, long-time heroin addict (like 10+ years) and he kicked in 5 days with no withdrawals using only 16mg of bupe.
 
i just don't really like bups that much and would rather taper down using the tramadol. i have some bups, but would rather not use them cuz when i take them i know i cant use at all and sometimes i get tempted to and i heard it is really bad for u to do oxy when on bup. so i just wanted to know if some one had a good tapper plan using tramadol. but if not i guess ill follow the 5 day bup program listed above. i dont want to quit using forever i just wanna stop needing oxys every day. it is just annoying to have to plan every time i go away or am busy to make sure i have what i need to not feel like shit. i wanna go back to being a once in a while weekend user.
 
bad batch!!!!!!

here in England in north Yorkshire there has been 7 deaths this last month from a batch of what is believed to be contaminated heroin, this is very serious the current theory is that it is contaminated with botulisme, will have to wait for the toxic results on the post mortem keep safe.scripto. will update. areas affected Bradford and york.
 
listen the last time i did a full on cold turkey with no meds at all i was awake and fulled by adrenalin for 5 days! not good! at day 3 i went into sleep deprivation and by day 5 i was hallucinating so bad i had lost my mind, truly psychotic. good look on the sleep! at least you have some subs yeah?, try and get a benzo or 2 or some mazzies. in England there starting to put suboxone in with the subutex which is not really good as its a major blocker, if you relapse you will be ill.
 
Using an opiate while you are on suboxone will not make you ill, it'll just be blocked by the bupe and won't have much (if any) of an effect. Unless you take a high enough dose to surpass the level of bupe in your system (not recommended as this puts you in a much higher risk of overdose).

You'll only get precipitated withdrawals from Suboxone if you take it while your still on an opiate/opioid...not the other way around.
 
One thing I found with suboxone after using it for the first time a while back: if you are considering a dose range, go with the higher dose. My first ever dose I just took 1mg because I only had a 2mg sub so I just split it in half. It made me feel well for about 8 hours or so but after that I started to feel kind of sick. Not all of the symptoms, but some of the stuff was definitely hitting. So, I went and got some dope. I went through the whole damn like half gram and it didn't do SHIT. I still felt the withdrawals coming on a little bit!

So long story short when you decide to take sub, be aware that you won't be able to use any other opiate for at least 24 hours after. And if you don't take enough and start to feel bad, you should take more sub to feel better because opiates still won't do shit for 24 hr.
 
I have been feeling really guilty as of late and I don't know what to do... Bah.
 
well this is the longest i have ever gone clean from opiates in the past 4 years. i went on suboxone treatment back in july 08 and remained on it for 90 days. i went 100 days before saying to myself "its been 100 days, you can do a shot"...quickly fell into the mind set of "oh i'll just do it once in a while now" and that turned out to be a good life lesson as i had completely gone back to where i was before suboxone treatment and ended up having a friend die, a friend go to jail, and a friend go to rehab.

went back on suboxone december 31st of 08 and managed to do heroin 1x a month until april, then i decided to call it quits for good. now here i am, almost 100 days clean again and i am finally ready to never use heroin again! that shit will eat anybody's soul sooner or later if they decide to keep using.

i often find, now that i'm sober, that i am very boring and find myself more isolated than i was doing the drugs. all i do is stay cooped up in my house producing music, mixing records, and surfing the web. it's hard to get around and do shit because i have no license this summer, so it's been pretty boring and tempting. i have yet to give into the temptation, although one night i tried to make a call.

i find connecting with people is much harder now, and i feel as if nobody likes me (social anxiety), but i know deep down that connecting with others will help with the recovery process as well as with my soul (and life in general). any suggestions on what to do with the feelings i am experiencing - loneliness, social anxiety, boredom, low self worth, overall blah feeling....?
 
-Guido- said:
I have been feeling really guilty as of late and I don't know what to do... Bah.
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You've gotta be honest with her, that's the best chance you've got.

When you're hooked, the only two options are:

1.) She finds out once you finally open up to her.

2.) She finds out the hard way.

I lost the girl I loved for 4 years because of #2. And I was actually given a second chance (that I fucked up), too.

Gotta be honest with her.

(If I'm way off base, I apologize).
 
Im trying to kick, I haven't been using as much lately. Haven't used dope in about a week and a half. Still use OC 80's and basically whatever I can get my hands on since then for some relief, the worst part is when you know your about to hurt something awful and your just straight miserable (terrified works best).

My suboxone source has them for only so long before he runs out and when he does it takes some time before he get them again (Friday).

Im just wondering what I should do here? Cold-Turkey? Maybe wait until I can get more suboxone, get a few of them and just space it apart 5 days. Taper myself down.
 
unsui,

First off, congrats on quitting. Even lowering it to 1x a month is a big step, but quitting altogether is even better. :) Good job.
There are a lot of places to go for support. The first I would suggest is an individual therapist who is either an addictions specialist or does cognitive behavioral therapy. Now that you don't have your chemical 'reward system', you need to find something else. I feel like a hypocrite, because I haven't found mine, but I know that's what it takes - something else to occupy your life, your mind, your soul.
If you cannot afford an individual therapist or are wary of them, or even if you do start going to one, there are lots of things you can do to socialize and avoid the 'stigma' attached with being a former heroin addict. AA or NA can be one, I'm just talking about the social part, not the steps (which I hate). You could also look and see if there is a Rational Recovery or SMART meeting near you. Lots of, well, smart people go to those meetings (especially RR and SMART).
Try thinking back before your addiction, at the things you liked... even if you were just a kid. Start there. You obviously like music. Have an instrument you used to play and have let slack? Or want to start with no experience? Go for it.

This stuff is much easier said than done. I'm basically in your boat and have been for several months. My guitar is sitting in the corner... it used to be my life. I'm good at it, I enjoy it, but I can't bring myself to do it. Is it punishment, or just apathy? I kind of think it's punishment. I don't know.

You've been through a lot, whether 'self inflicted' or not. It will take time to rebuild your life. It does look like you're on the right track though. Good luck.

Also, try to get a little exercise in. I'm a bigger person, but walking in the sun right after it rains (in FL in summer this is every day) makes me feel somewhat refreshed.
 
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Also, try to get a little exercise in. I'm a bigger person, but walking in the sun right after it rains (in FL in summer this is every day) makes me feel somewhat refreshed.
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Exercise is a MUST.

I don't know how else to get rid of negative energy/cravings other than working out. Plus, it gives off this sense of satisfaction that we're used to finding in drugs.

I could go on a run, do jack shit all day, and still feel like I accomplished something.



On day 64 now. For a while now, I've like I'm on this constant roller coaster. I feel down for a few days, then I'll feel up, then just back down. I'm in the down right now, hopefully heading towards an up.

The longer I've been away from dope, the easier it feels like the downs are. It can be still hard to motivate myself to do stuff, but it feels easier than 2 months ago. :)

There's just always stuff to stress about though. It's hard without that heroin pause button where I can take a line or a shot and not have anything else matter for a few hours. Guess it forces me to actually deal with stuff, so it doesn't just build up and make me fall behind.
 
thanks lasthurrah!

yeah i have seen a substance abuse counselor like 2 months ago, but stopped going for some reason. i have tried attending NA meetings and what not but i just hate the vibes i get there! rational recovery meetings is something i always forget about though, thanks i'll have to give that a go - never heard of SMART though. and yes i have been making music pretty much my whole life, and i'm starting to learn the piano's ways by switching my knowledge of the guitar neck over to the keys of a piano.

pick up your guitar man! it's the best thing you could do. so inspiring and food for the soul!

i think i'm going to drop some cid and 2c-b right now :-D happy trails...
 
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I am finding that I make greater leaps and strides with my guitar when I am not getting high on poppy tea. When I am high I don't try new things and obviously when in withdrawal it is difficult to do much of anything and enjoy it.

I find that when I go for a while in withdrawal and then take the edge off with a maintenance dose I pick up the guitar and actually learn new stuff. Right now I am trying to pick up lead guitar and am having some success jamming over top of some of my fav songs! I feel that jamming on the guitar is going to be very important when I try to finally kick this devil tea...
 
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