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Can animals such as cats get contact highs from humans? Or even humans??

I was just out with an old friend of mine last night and I had a long discussion with her on the topic of non-verbal communication and picking up on others' body language, and how big a role it really plays in the way we communicate with one another, and how for animals it's basically the only means of communication, which is why they seem to pick up on these cues even more so than humans. I think this kind of connecting with people on an emotional level through non-verbal cues is dismissed way too often, as it's not even something metaphysical or scientifically unexplainable really. It's just because this has been something so deeply ingrained within our subconscious mind ever since our very early ancestry in the animal kingdom that we don't usually even notice it on a conscious level.

This subconscious picking up on non-verbal emotional cues is what I feel is probably largely responsible for the "contact high" phenomenon as well. Couple that with the mirror neurons theory, and we might have a rather credible hypothesis for explaining the whole thing IMHO.

I feel that this thread has turned into a very interesting and thought-inspiring discussion. Excellent posts by Pimp Lazy and Immunity representing the different "sides" of this coin, both providing some very compelling points. Also, Xorkoth, some of the examples you describe are very similar to what has happened to me and my friends as well. Very interesting indeed.
 
doesnt string theory say that the entire universe is connected by vibrating strings...or was I high when I put that together

I would have to say that animals can pick when you are high, we can tell when other people are high and fuck our sense are really shit house compared to the rest of the animal kingdom, with maybe a few exceptions.

I haved worked at raves for years there is something going on, some kind of vibe thing,I am a very science based person, but have a very open mind. The PIHKAL entry is something I'v wondered about for years.
In Alexander Shulgin's PiHKAL book under the 2C-I entry, a notable reaction is observed in a participant who takes a placebo, existing in an environment with other people who are under its influence.

Stanislav Grof, together with his wife Christina, experienced a contact high assisting a person under LSD therapy described in his book When the Impossible Happens: Adventures in Non-Ordinary Reality (2006) in Part 4 about Pecherskaya Lavra (p. 213, in German edition).

sometimes people make this mistake with weed or meth, if you are in a small room and there is high use and lots of smoke, there is a possibility that you could inhale enough material to obtain a mild high.As for skin contact the amount of active drug in your skin is really fuck all.Next time I take anything I'll take a skin swipe and test it on a flow thes or HPLC
 
Fuckin hell, it's like you want to believe in contact highs so your finding evidence to support your own theorys. "evidence" being strange behavour in cats.

More logically your high and the cats acting differently (or you think it is) because your acting odd. Anything else...Placebo.

You never hear of contact highs with other drugs in hospitals. They never worry that the guy next to the cancer paitent full of Fentanyl might get a hit.
 
Immunity and Xorkoth, great posts.

andreas, String Theory says a lot of things that really go against the grain in traditional sciences but open the doorway to more possibilities, that make much more sense IMO

Static, that's because they don't give Psychedelics or Entheogens in hospitals and there's plenty of evidence. The evidence is documented all throughout this thread.
 
I'd like to add an additional point: science is always changing (not the process but what is considered a fact). Hundreds of years ago it was a fact that the earth was flat and then that the rest of the heavens circled around the earth, which was at the center of the universe. You'd have had people calling you crazy for believing otherwise. Yet some people had a hunch and eventually proved it, and now it's the accepted status quo of knowledge. Who knows what science will be able to show in the future, as we're more and more able to measure and quantify aspects of reality? To believe that the way we currently view reality as an entire society is final and complete is, in my opinion, amazingly short-sighted and arrogant. This has never been the case before, so why should it be now?

As I see it, science is beginning to suggest that spirituality and the kind of shared consciousness we're talking about is a part of reality. It will be interesting to see how our shared understanding of reality changes in the coming years. Will this be looked back on as yet another thing that people used to disbelieve but that now seems ridiculous, like the earth being flat and the sun rotating around us? Or space travel? Or legitimate mental disease? Or tiny, handheld communication devices? Or the Internet?

And finally, to deny the experiences of others, especially when many people report similar experiences, is rather foolish. Just because you have not experienced something does not mean it's not real.
 
I feel animals can tell that your on any drug, and they respond to it in their own way, my dogs ALWAYS come to my room when i come home faded and they usually NEVER come in my room ;D
 
A few years ago a group of scientist got together to study cardio neurons, What they found didn't make any sense.They had volunteers hooked up to computers to measure responses to horrific images and things like wild flowers on a screen. Some how the hearts of the volunteers responded before the brain.Problem is, that there is no direct link between the heart and the eyes in terms of neural input, images are processed by the brain.My guess is that the doctors new what was coming up on the screen and some how through a change in brain waves the doctors gave off some kind of a warning to the volunteers.YES its very far fetched but these doctors dont have any answers.Don't be narrow minded, anything is possible. I still don't think there is enough active drug in a persons sweat to get a cat high or another human.There must be something else that causes theses so called contact highs.

Also I would have to agree with the point that the cat may not be acting strange, its just that your high and perceive the cat to have changed its behaviour
 
8L4YN3 said:
A friend of mine claimed when he was on mdma, that a mosquito landed on him, he let it take his blood because he wanted it to get high, then he claims it was chilling with him...lol?

A he is dead serious when he talks about it, i think too many drugs for this lad.
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lol foolish kid. i had a friend who got into a staring contest with a huntsman spider on LSD 8o stupid shit lol
 
I may be wrong here but i believe the whole " mirror neurons" thing causes deja vu and many other phoenomena as well. It may be a stretch but you have to compare what we actually know to the possibilities out there.
 
Recept said:
This subconscious picking up on non-verbal emotional cues is what I feel is probably largely responsible for the "contact high" phenomenon as well.
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Well put.

And in response to the post on cardio neurons, you have an interesting idea, but it would be discounted if the trials were double-blind, as any well formulated study should be. If not, this would be an interesting case.

And to Xorkoth, I definitely feel the same way. The potential for science and many other kinds of accepted thought to evolve in our lifetime is immense. Somehow, it is comforting to think of how many things we will consider ourselves to have been wrong about 10, 20, 30, etc. years in the future.
 
3!NSTEiN said:
I may be wrong here but i believe the whole " mirror neurons" thing causes deja vu and many other phoenomena as well. It may be a stretch but you have to compare what we actually know to the possibilities out there.
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de ja vu is a glitch in the matrix 8o
 
From my own experience, my cat DEFINITELY knew something was up when I opened the door for her while I was on 5 dried grams of shrooms, even though i was not acting strange and was very gentle and calm (on the outside) because soon as she barged in, her hairs were all standing up and she was acting very distressed, kept trying to rub up against me but then would freak out and look up at me and cry and do it over and over again as if she was really anxious and even maybe afraid for me... Another time I had only taken one hit of lsd and had the walls gently breething in and out and she was kinda just laying on the other side of the bed with her eyes squinted, relaxed and looked totally like she was going with the flow of the energy i was feeling... I think they can tell that there is definitely some energy disturbance while it's happening.
 
andreas said:
A few years ago a group of scientist got together to study cardio neurons, What they found didn't make any sense.They had volunteers hooked up to computers to measure responses to horrific images and things like wild flowers on a screen. Some how the hearts of the volunteers responded before the brain.Problem is, that there is no direct link between the heart and the eyes in terms of neural input, images are processed by the brain.My guess is that the doctors new what was coming up on the screen and some how through a change in brain waves the doctors gave off some kind of a warning to the volunteers.YES its very far fetched but these doctors dont have any answers.
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Do you have a link for more details about this story? I can't find anything about this on Google...
 
^In many studies, partsof the brain involved in a particular movement "light up" prior to the subject actually deciding to make that movement. Our concious mind only allows us to think we are in control; "if you change the rules of what controls you, you will change the rules of what you can control..."

RE: contact highs with animals: pheremones perhaps?
 
My cat also went batshit once when I went on a bit of a bad trip on Peruvian Torch cacti. She's been my trip sitter on numerous other occasions but apart from a concerned frown and a wary glance she's had nothing more to add.
 
^Yeah, it fucken rocks. I think its Cystal Vibrations- damn, I NEED to listen to that now :) And shall....Do you like Osom? They are brilliant! :D (minor thread derail- sorry)
 
its called crystal inside if my itunes isnt lying lol, actually ive seen you mention OSOM somewhere before, you were saying how its psykovski and kindzadza... that would be, well, OSOM. ive never heard them yet though, maybe i should try and get ahold of a cd soon.

yah my bad winner for highjacking your thread lol. :)
 
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