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Kratom for pharmie detox

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I am about to start using kratom to try and taper off a rather high oxy/hydro/methadone habit.

Basically 80-120 mgs of any of these substances is what I take to get my nod on. And its been this way for over a year and before that 2 years of heroin and before that two years of oxy. SO its been a long road. And of course I mess with other opiates when the chance comes up, fentanyl, and oxymorphone come to mind the most. Anyways. I plan on using the kratom for only 1 week and I have never used it before so im quite curious to what will happen.

Its been 24 hours since ive taken oxy. Just took 5 mgs to not totally freak, while I wait for kratom to arrive.

What are peoples experience using kratom to taper off more powerful drugs? Ive done some research, but I always gotta hear BL's opinion. And I UTSE but I didnt gain enough of what I was looking for...
 
Ktom should be here tomorrow, no comments?

and btw tonight I took 6 mg xanax and 1 mg klonipin to relax muscles from withdralw and sleep I dont plan on taking these many benzos any any time soon. I only took 5 mgs of percocet and 5 mgs methadone tonight when normally use 80-120 so im shocked im not super sick .The xanax must really be synergizing. Although idont feel the xanies enough, tolerance is a bitch. I sued benzos heavily 4 times his month and I can tell now its fucking me.

edit again: just smoked 2 roor filed bowls of my nice homegrown. And 2 bowls of some differnet dank in my chillum. Now finishing a landshark gonna call it a night soon. I HOPE my kratom gets here tomorrow so I can start the detox. plus I got a netbook on the way I wnat to play with. Too bad work is in the morning!!!!!
 
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I think the general consensus is kratom while it may ease you wd will also prolong it. Just like detoxing using suboxone or any other opiate.

Glad to hear you're kicking it though. You can do it just try and use the bare minimum. Good luck man
 
I've nodded off of Kratom before, and I believe that it is much safer than Suboxone or Methadone, albeit harder to measure out doses and such... on one hand, that could lead to a placebo effect, causing the brain to detox faster and more naturally. Never detoxed or had anything worse than a few sweaty nights, chills, and racing thoughts, though, so it's just my opinion based on readings and recreational use.

[<snip> - RR]
 
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I was addicted to kratom for a year, becareful, dont take more than a week - or your just replacing one habit with another.

Dont let other people kid you either, I've kicked from 3 80s a day, and kratom as well - although not as bad as the OC, its no walk in the park

People have been placed on subs for kratom w/d
 
Yes, that can all happen, it's true. Kratom is another tool you can use just like any other opioid...

All in all, it comes down to whether you can control it and whether you truly want to kick the habit / make the habit rare.

There's only one VERY EFFECTIVE silver bullet. Only ONE. It's called Ibogaine. As we all know, it's practically only available in Mexico.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ibogaine
 
Opiatesrarely said:
Yes, that can all happen, it's true. Kratom is another tool you can use just like any other opioid...

All in all, it comes down to whether you can control it and whether you truly want to kick the habit / make the habit rare.

There's only one VERY EFFECTIVE silver bullet. Only ONE. It's called Ibogaine. As we all know, it's practically only available in Mexico.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ibogaine
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Agreed.

Kratom is considered a miracle by many for beating opiate/alcohol addiction along with the cravings. I used it for this purpose and I couldn't be happier. Since July 07 I became a daily user of plain bali leaf for anxiety/depression/agoraphobia and it is helping me so much.

Regarding replacing one addiction for another-- kratom is a lot more forgiving than Rx opiates and you have to use daily for many months to become dependent. I experience mild W/D before dosing but I consider the tradeoff worth it since it is helping me so much improving my self-esteem, anxiety and panic disorder. I don't know where I'd be without it,I'm prescribed 1mg benzos (klonopin) sometimes just don't do the trick whereas kratom does an incredible job.

Just stay away from extracts (those are what really leads to W/D) and I consider that replacing addictions. By using plain leaf you got respect for the plant and it will treat you just as well :)
 
Im using kratom, its my third day now. I tried rather small doses the other days and was still detoxying.... I can say for sure now that I have nothing but kratom in my system. The shits and naseau from absolutely NOTHING in my body woke me from bed at 6:30 am. Its now 9:20 and I just finished a brew of 10 grams. It is not extract but a good powdered variety that was recommended on another forum. I will really know today how well this stuff helps w/d.
 
Keep us posted. From my moderate pod w/d experience it should help more than a little. Just don't take too much, the nausea, dizzy, jiggly-eyed feeling is horrible. For me, I was able to abort 90% of pod wd in 10 days- that was a 3month 6-8pod a day run ended with two small bags of 15x extract. Really pleased, but had too keep doses small and handle the boredom and mildly unpleasant nights for a bit. Oh god it is awful bitter though... and I'd rather eat bowls of roughground pods with a wooden spoon (shiver!). Thanks and godspeed.
 
Very very few people could successfully taper with something like oxy, something even stronger and more euphoric than pods....at least it seems to me. Most people would probably end up with an even bigger pod habit or switch to oxy if they could afford it and opened a contact up.
Kratom is a helluva lot cheaper than suboxone...and FAR less abusable.
I agree however, if you can afford it, cruise in comfort. Kind of a heavy-handed approach to anything less than a moderately heavy tea habit maybe.
 
i doubt you'll be able to taper of 120mg methadoe habit with kratom... if you ca, big up yaself!!! otherwise you might wat to cosider a methadoe or buprenorphie clinic.... taperig off opiates is long... well the longer you take, the less paifull it is..

p.s.get some immodium for the shits...
 
Kratom never works for my detox. My DOC is Morphine, with doses ranging from 90 to 180mg. I've tried Kratom time and again with no success (it does not even keep me from being ill).

Some people swear by it though, so I suppose its worth a shot.
 
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