Took 25mg 4-HO-MET fumarate last night.
I must say it was in many ways not what I expected. In some ways I was a bit disappointed, but overall it was pleasant. Metocin is quite interesting material indeed.
The OEVs were intense and beautiful in my opinion, especially when I was outside. They had a very unique character, sort of like a blend between MET and 4-ACO-DMT, but with distinct features of it's own. I am not very good at describing them, but I feel that others in this thread have done it quite well. They were more "plastic" in nature (as opposed to "electric", if that makes any sense), very similar to mushrooms and psilacetin in that aspect, but more colourful. Others have mentioned that OEVs on this substance are intense, but somewhat lacking in depth. I agree to a degree, but I enjoyed them a lot nonetheless.
CEVs were practically non-existent at this level, which is quite surprising, considering the intensity of OEVs. There was also a lack of more complex, archetypal, imagery that is present with many other psychedelics, but this might be remedied by supplementing with cannabis and/or taking a higher dose.
Mental aspects were very subtle, but interesting. Metocin, at least at this level, feels very benign mentally, but shows a lot of potential at the same time. At times I did feel that I was mentally practically baseline, only to find myself contemplating a lot of things I wouldn't in a sober state a moment later. It is definitely very psychedelic in that it has the ability to shift your perspective, observe your personality and behavioral patterns from a third person point of view, while leaving your ego practically intact. I did get the distinct feeling, however, that it has great potential to dissolve boundaries if taken at higher dosages. At this level the spiritual aspects were pretty much absent, though.
What disturbed me the most at times was the way music was distorted on this substance. Most psychedelics do this in some meaningful manner, opening your mind to new aspects in the music you were not aware of before, but on metocin music seemed actually more shallow than usual. Music basically had no power to guide the direction of the trip the way it does on many other substances. I actually had the urge to turn music off at some points, but felt that silence would be even less enjoyable. Very strange, and quite disappointing for me, considering how much I love music and how big a part it usually plays in my trips.
The body buzz was extremely pleasant, if only slightly too stimulating at times. IIRC, someone described the body effects of this chemical as being feline in nature, which is quite accurate a description IMO. Slight nausea was present, especially during come-up, but it never got intense enough for me to consider vomiting. I suspect a well timed hit or two of cannabis would have easily prevented that, but it was not available to me at the time unfortunately.
This substance does indeed come in waves, a lot more so than mushrooms IMO. There was a lot of alternation going on between being quite intoxicated and pretty much sober. Interesting, but somewhat confusing, as it was very difficult to tell when the plateau had ended this way.
The onset was VERY rapid, first alerts were felt within 10 minutes, visuals appeared by T+0:15. Very rapid climb to the plateau within the next 30 minutes or so. The plateau lasted between 1 and 1.5 hours, it's hard to tell because of the wave-like nature of the experience. Slow drop pretty much back to baseline by maybe T+5h, though I was not able to sleep until around 7 hours after taking the drug, but this might possibly be attributed to residual stimulation from amphetamine I took earlier.
All-in-all, metocin seems to be an interesting substance worth exploring further. It does seem very subtle, yet profound if that makes any sense. It reminded me a lot of 2C-I in that respect actually. The lack of CEVs was disappointing, but it made me think that maybe it would make a nice compound to to combine with other tryptamines. I suspect that it could make an interesting combination with DPT or psilacetin, among others. Will definitely consider exploring these possibilities in the future.
I think next time I'm going to try to take this a bit higher, maybe 30mg or so, to see what else emerges. I'd also love to taste this in nature, as I did feel somewhat confined tripping on it inside, while I enjoyed myself thoroughly when I was outside.
Sorry for somewhat long post, I just wanted to document as many thoughts as I could gather while the experience is still fresh on my mind.
Would ginger be enough to prevent the nausea?
. I remember reading somewhere in this thread not much tolerance was built with consecutive daily use. And while all tryptamine use causes a slight cross tolerance, would 5-MeO-MiPT use cause considerable tryptamine tolerance for 4-HO-MET as well?
