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The Big & Dandy 4-HO-MET Thread

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Do you guys think that it would be a mistake to give 10-15 mg of 4-HO-MET orally, to my girlfriend for her first trip. She has only smoked bud a couple times and most of her drug experience involves benzo's or amphetamines.
She seems quite interested in the experience, but I don't want to overwhelm her, as she is a very emotional woman.
Any thoughts on the subject would be quite helpful.
 
I guess 4-ho-met has to go through the body or something to be converted into something else.
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Why do you think that? It's a direct homologue to psilocin, which certainly does not need to convert into anything else.
 
entheo said:
Do you guys think that it would be a mistake to give 10-15 mg of 4-HO-MET orally, to my girlfriend for her first trip.
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I gave 4-HO-MET to a friend, it was his first psychedelic and it went very well. 12-13mg orally IIRC. I first told him that it's an unresearched and rare substance which made him pretty anxious, then to calm him I probably put too much emphasis on it's similiarity to mushrooms/psilocin. 6 month later he's still referring to 4-HO-MET as shrooms.

In my opinion, besides being quite rare, it's ideal for a first trip.
 
^ In what way? Where is the extra methyl?

4-HO-MET could be called "metocin" according to the common naming convention. If you insist on naming it after psilocin, you could call it ethyldesmethylpsilocin I guess or something similar.. Either way, it is basically psilocin with one extra carbon added to it's amino substitution chain.
 
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^ In what way? Where is the extra methyl?
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In psilocin, there are two methyls connected to the amine. The extra methyl in 4-ho-met is on one of these methyls (add a methyl to another methyl and you get an ethyl).

The same way, phenyl-propanamine is called amphetamine (alpha-methyl-phenylethylamine). Methyl connected to an ethyl makes it a propyl (or an isopropyl, depending how you look at it).
 
Hmm I've never heard you could call an ethyl "methylmethyl", though I guess it could be technically possible. I am aware that alpha-methylethyl could be called isopropyl or propyl, depending on the stereoisomer, so I guess you could apply the same in case of a 2-carbon alkyl chain. Calling metocin methylpsilocin is convenient, but somewhat confusing IMO.
 
Hmm I've never heard you could call an ethyl "methylmethyl"
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Yes, it's not common because it's so much easier to say "ethyl".

But the same way, isopropyl can be called 1-methylethyl. Or alphamethyl-ethyl. And sec-butyl is alphamethyl-propyl, and isobutyl is betamethyl-propyl.

Methylpsilocin just has a cool ring to it. In the layman's ear, methyl-something always gives the image of an enhanced effect - amphetamine vs. methylamphetamine, for example...

Methpsilocin, the new killer drug that rapes the minds of our children! :D
 
^ No, you couldn't call it trimethyl-tryptamine, because that would imply three methyl groups all attached to the same atom. It could however be called methyl-methylmethyl-tryptamine....

4-ho-mmmt :D

"Four ho's, mmm..."
 
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^ No, you couldn't call it trimethyl-tryptamine, because that would imply three methyl groups all attached to the same atom.
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Actually it wouldn't. There is a substance called TMT, for example, which stands for 2,N,N-trimethyltryptamine. But I agree that calling metocin 4-HO-TMT would be kind of a stretch here.
 
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Actually it wouldn't. There is a substance called TMT, for example, which stands for 2,N,N-trimethyltryptamine. But I agree that calling metocin 4-HO-TMT would be kind of a stretch here.
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You're right there, they wouldn't have to be in the same atom for it to be a trimethyltryptamine. But...

How would one explain this... n-ethyl-tryptamine couldn't be called dimethyl-tryptamine either, even though there are two methyl groups in a row there.

I guess what I'm trying to say is, trimethyl implies that there are three distinct methyl groups. When in this case there is one methyl group, and one ethyl group (a methyl connected to a methyl).
 
dread said:
^ No, you couldn't call it trimethyl-tryptamine, because that would imply three methyl groups all attached to the same atom. It could however be called methyl-methylmethyl-tryptamine....

4-ho-mmmt :D

"Four ho's, mmm..."
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Hahaha. Sounds way tasty! I'd like me some 4-HO-MMMT right now!
 
Well ethyl is: CH3-CH2-
and methyl is: CH3-
a methylene moiety (or group) is: -CH2-
so ethyl is not even in a different perspective methylmethyl
only ever so slightly methylmethylene :)

Apart from that of course looking at correct nomenclature its just nonsense
 
^ I agree. What's the point of calling this methylpsilocin anyway if you can call it something as cool as metocin (medicine)? =D
 
How is the nausea with this compound? I am assuming it's pretty similar to other 4-xx-xxT's, in that there might be some when coming up? I usually counter this with pot, but alas, I don't have any ATM :( Would ginger be enough to prevent the nausea?
 
^I have never experienced any nausea with doses up to 26 mg, although I've used cannabis on the come up every time as well. But I wouldn't worry about it, metocin is rather benign.

An icky stimulation has been the most unpleasant physical aspect of this one for me.
 
Well, I am about to take this for the first time, we'll see how it agrees with me :)
 
Solipsys said:
Well ethyl is: CH3-CH2-
and methyl is: CH3-
a methylene moiety (or group) is: -CH2-
so ethyl is not even in a different perspective methylmethyl
only ever so slightly methylmethylene :)

Apart from that of course looking at correct nomenclature its just nonsense
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Of course it's nonsense.

But amphetamine is still amphetamine, instead of phenylisopropylamine as it should be...
 
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