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Owing Someone Drug Money

Pomplemous said:
No, ya big bitch, you got to give him something - otherwise you send the message out that you cant be trusted and it will come back to you...when you need help (not from him - ok, but from others, .. karma has a way like that sometimes)

Now that's not to say that you should give him all of it - I reckon promise him it all, give him 100 for now and THEN do your plan.

and change your name - play dead every time he comes near.
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"play dead every time he comes near." hahaha thats funny
 
i used to be the type of guy who if i didnt think of you as a friend and you trusted me with your money/dope, then you got ripped the fuck off and if you had the balls to ask me about it, the fight would be on. I did this many a time and although it took awhile, karma has payed me back in full. Whether you believe in it or not, karma is very real. Pay dude his money, even if you can only give him 25 bucks a paycheck, at least its something to let him know you feel bad about the situation and didnt plan on ripping him off in the first place
 
ez4u2c said:
man where are you from? im from chicago where niggaz will shoot you if you move the lawn chair they put on the road in front of their house to save their parking space. around here if you get ripped off like that and dont go TAKE your money back your going to get labled a bitch and its all down hill from there!!you must be in some poe-dunk hillbilly cow tipping town, and i suggest you stay. and i aint just tryin to act hard hommie trust me dog i been to crook(cook) county jail, stateville max sec prision, and other joints. i been playing these games for a minute son.you should pay dude back just so you aint gotta keep lookin back over your shoulder.
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hahah, hey man i be from a "poe-dunk hillbilly cow tipping town" and its the same way here, if you get ripped off once, and you dont do shit then it will happen next time. If people think they can take your money, they will. You gotta at least try to fuck up the dude who fucked you. Its better to pick a fight and lose than just sit around cryin about your money
 
solistus said:
I just skimmed over most of the replies. A lot of people seem to be diving into personal insults either against you or the guy who fronted you. I'll avoid that; no need for the hostility to discuss the issue.

Personally, I always make sure to clear these things up explicitly whenever I'm on either side of a fronting situation. I typically understand a front as "I don't have enough money to buy my drugs and yours so I need you to pay me in advance." In that sense, giving him neither his money nor his drugs is pretty much the same as what your connect did to you. Taking his money meant promising to get him the drugs or pay him back.

However, that's just one interpretation and the nasty truth of the black market is that these sorts of things are never set in stone. Based on your situation, here's what I personally believe:

First of all, there is no absolute right or wrong here. There is no authoritative opinion. Ultimately, might is right and what matters is how purely self-interested you are and how willing he is to escalate the situation.

Think about this from his perspective. He has NO reason to assume anything other than that you stole his money. Everything you've done is exactly what you would do if you had stolen it, is it not?

If you can afford it, just pay him. Ultimately, it was you who told him your connect was reliable, it was you who failed to catch the fucker when he bolted or track him down. It's not your fault, but it's your responsibility. It sure isn't his fault.

If you can't, explain the situation and that you can't afford to just flat out repay him. Try to work something else out. Acknowledge his perspective and concerns, try to get him to acknowledge yours. Offer to split the burden of the missing cash if you can't afford to repay all of it, or give him some pills if you have excess, or at least offer to hook him up at cost and without fronting next time you are in a position to do so. Offer some sign of goodwill and show him that, even if you disagree that you owe him the full amount, you're not trying to screw him over. Apologise for avoiding him and for your sketchy connect. Hell, maybe ask him for help tracking the guy down, although it sounds like it's far too late for that.
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Great post. you really nailed it.

I have a confession of my own actually. I was getting a QP every week from a "friend" (an acquaintance really) who made a healthy amount of money off of me, and i knew it, and I didn't mind because he was providing me a convenient service.

I was paying about $220 an ounce for mediocre weed. A little high for getting 4 oz at a time, but not terrible. Sometimes I'd be a few hundred short and would pay him right away once i sold some of the herb.

Well, I got into a bit of an argument with some of our other "friends" (more acquaintances) over a completely unrelated issue, nothing to do with weed or even any drugs whatsoever.

After that, he tried to charge me $400 per ounce for the same weed, simply because he didn't like me very much after that disagreement, and wanted to rip me off (I wasn't getting a "friend's discount" before either, I paid the same price as strangers). So I told him I was expecting a lower price, I only had the usual $800 on me, I'd get him the rest later.

I split with my herb, "owing" him another $800, found a new connection and never spoke to him again.

...and to be honest, I don't feel bad about it one bit. Not for a second. I paid him what the shit was really worth (his usual profit). Can anyone blame me? Really?

I've always repaid everyone else no matter how much trouble it put me through personally, but I felt I was justified in this situation.

Also, he is about 1 foot shorter and 40 lbs lighter than me (and i'm a small guy as it is!) so i wasn't worried about represcussions...

So as solistus said, in this situation, might is right. He never tried to collect.

This was about 8 months ago.
 
oh roxianne! said:
hahah, hey man i be from a "poe-dunk hillbilly cow tipping town" and its the same way here, if you get ripped off once, and you dont do shit then it will happen next time. If people think they can take your money, they will. You gotta at least try to fuck up the dude who fucked you. Its better to pick a fight and lose than just sit around cryin about your money
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amen!!!aint about where your from i guess. Just if you got a set of ball or not. Haha
 
solistus said:
I just skimmed over most of the replies. A lot of people seem to be diving into personal insults either against you or the guy who fronted you. I'll avoid that; no need for the hostility to discuss the issue.

Personally, I always make sure to clear these things up explicitly whenever I'm on either side of a fronting situation. I typically understand a front as "I don't have enough money to buy my drugs and yours so I need you to pay me in advance." In that sense, giving him neither his money nor his drugs is pretty much the same as what your connect did to you. Taking his money meant promising to get him the drugs or pay him back.

However, that's just one interpretation and the nasty truth of the black market is that these sorts of things are never set in stone. Based on your situation, here's what I personally believe:

First of all, there is no absolute right or wrong here. There is no authoritative opinion. Ultimately, might is right and what matters is how purely self-interested you are and how willing he is to escalate the situation.

Think about this from his perspective. He has NO reason to assume anything other than that you stole his money. Everything you've done is exactly what you would do if you had stolen it, is it not?

If you can afford it, just pay him. Ultimately, it was you who told him your connect was reliable, it was you who failed to catch the fucker when he bolted or track him down. It's not your fault, but it's your responsibility. It sure isn't his fault.

If you can't, explain the situation and that you can't afford to just flat out repay him. Try to work something else out. Acknowledge his perspective and concerns, try to get him to acknowledge yours. Offer to split the burden of the missing cash if you can't afford to repay all of it, or give him some pills if you have excess, or at least offer to hook him up at cost and without fronting next time you are in a position to do so. Offer some sign of goodwill and show him that, even if you disagree that you owe him the full amount, you're not trying to screw him over. Apologise for avoiding him and for your sketchy connect. Hell, maybe ask him for help tracking the guy down, although it sounds like it's far too late for that.
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Thank you for the best response yet :).
 
He gave you money in exchange for drugs, you returned with nothing. Regardless of what happened you owe him drugs or money, if somebody did something like that to me I'd put them in the hospital. It doesn't matter if what you did was intentional, it matters that you took responsibility for someone else's money and lost it.
 
Thizzerfershizzer said:
as my old dealer use to say
"sorry thats just part of the game"
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This is how I look at the situation as long the the OP didnt pocket the cash or front the cash to someone else after he was using FRONTED money because thats fucking ignorant. Handing several hundred dollars of someone elses money to someone else to hold on to.... well... thats probably one of the worst things ya can do in the slangin' game.

Did you front his cash to someone else for the drugs and if so did you let him know this is how it would go down, or was violence used? Several people jumping you, a gun, etc...... ? ? ?
 
give him 150 dollars, than both of you will have lost the same amount of money.
 
brainbug said:
give him 150 dollars, than both of you will have lost the same amount of money.
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the way i understand it, OP put up $200, his coworker put up $300... so by giving him $150, OP would be down $350 while his friend would be down $150.

Giving him $50 would put the two of them even.

I could be wrong, but I think the $200/$300 figure it right from when i read this thread a week ago.
 
Dude, you fucked up on the number one rule. Don't give the dealer your money unless your holding his product in hand. Simple as that, your giving them cash in hand and they should have product in hand. You are stupid for giving your dealer cash and having him bolt with it. It's your fault for fucking up the deal when saying that you could hook your coworker up. You took control of the situation of buying the stuff so you automatically fall into the category of provided him either his drugs or his money back. All this "I got ripped" bullshit is wack. Man up.
 
You said you would buy him drugs for the $ he gave you. He gave you cash and you lost it. Interpret the situation 2 different ways:

1) His point of view: He sees you stole his money, and he'll fuck you up. It was your responsibility to get the drugs for him. You weren't able to succeed in doing that, so it is your duty to either give him the $ he gave you, or figure out a way to get those drugs to him.

2) It could have happened to him too. If he was in your situation, his money would have gotten stolen, too. His money got jacked and it wasn't your fault, just a shitty thing that happened.


If it were me, I'd get my money back, one way or another (as would most people, IMO). Take the chance if you must of not paying him back and getting fucked up. Just remember karma is just around the corner. If you could agree to give him the money he gave you back, or at least part of it, it would alleviate the situation.

The bottom line is, you made a deal with the guy. Give him his money or give him his drugs, but avoiding him won't help anything. Good luck though in whatever choice you make.
 
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^It got taken from me, I was very clear that I didn't pocket his cash. If I had done that, why would I make this thread?


xtimex said:
Dude, you fucked up on the number one rule. Don't give the dealer your money unless your holding his product in hand. Simple as that, your giving them cash in hand and they should have product in hand. You are stupid for giving your dealer cash and having him bolt with it. It's your fault for fucking up the deal when saying that you could hook your coworker up. You took control of the situation of buying the stuff so you automatically fall into the category of provided him either his drugs or his money back. All this "I got ripped" bullshit is wack. Man up.
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Shut the fuck up right now. You have no idea what happened. The guy fronting that cash knew EXACTLY how the deal was set up. The money got taken from me; I didn't just hop in a car and hand over 400 bucks while he went into his house for the pills.
 
Pay him off at least some of it and keep reputation / respect.
Don't pay him and loose reputation / respect.

.....if you don't care about reputation / respect, then do what you want.

pay him off through profits of drugs even? Talk to him!
drug politics can be tough... but you should work it out, so that you both are not enemy's!!
 
Pay him back in full, you idiot.

He had to understand that there was risk? Yeah, the risk that YOU would fuck him over. That's the only risk, period, and if you don't pay him back, that's exactly what you'll be doing.

When I hand my money to someone else, it's 100% their responsibility, unless we had a different, very explicit agreement. The same applies when I accept someone else's money. It's my fucking responsibility. You don't get to be careless and/or stupid with a deal just because it's not your cash.

Come on now grow the fuck up.
 
A lot of people want you to reimburse him in full...I don't really think that's necessary.
It depends on how you play it off...

You *should* have just said that your deal went bad and that you are sorry...that's that. Seems you started doging his calls and all that bs...and that is the sort of behavior that gets people killled. srsly. lol


Just explain the situation to him and apologize. The fact that it's like three months after the fact is messed up, no doubt about it. But I don't think you are obligated to him...he took a risk and it went south, that's just the way things are in the drug world

lesson 1: never take more money than you can handle. if you are worried about someone coming after you for $500 then don't take $500 unless you have 'a crew' or 'something' that could prevent retaliation worth $500. you should be dealing with <$100 imo
lesson 2: the drug game is not the stock market. realize that.
 
Man you sound like an asshole.

Straight up, i gave this guy 500 dollars to pick me up alot of MDMA.
He disappears for something like, 1 week, with his cellphone off. I call him every single day, swearing and cursing his fucking name into his answering machine. When finally on the second week, i call my friend Ryan who told me this guy was legit. I said Ryan, you are going to give me my money back, because you are the one who said that this guy would give me some amazing stuff.

Anyways to make a long story short, Ryan and I went to the guys house, and it ended up being that his car had broken down in Toronto, and he didn't have his cellphone charger, and he was waiting for his friends to have an oppurtunity of picking them up.

Fundamentally, i felt incredibly bad for swearing and being so racist and mean to this guy through fucking cellphone messages.


But money is Money.

If you were on the shit end of the stick, and if he was the one who lost your money
WOULD YOU NOT WANT IT BACK.

I highly doubt this guy, just "heard from around the water cooler" that you have badass drugs.
Things like that are kept hush hush, and if this guy was a reputable dealer, someone of whom you've had consistant and multiple deals that have gone off with out a hitch.

Then its you who fucked up my friend
Its you who fucked up.
Give the man the Money he deserves.


It sounds like you are leaving out alot of important details that would have painted this picture in a much more clearer light.
 
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Can't offer you any advice since I am against this shit your doing. If some one respects you enough to trust you with a few hundred dollars why would you not pay them back? I'd be damn pissed if I was assed out on that much money.
 
Ok, so since most of you think I'm not being up front and leaving important things out, I'll go further and explain some things.

  • [1] I told my co-work I CAN GET him $300 worth of kpins- not have, or will have, but simply CAN, implying the possible not the definite
    [2] I personally don't dislike my co-worker, he's a funny guy, pretty cool, and he's nice. It's not in my nature to fuck people over.
    [3] All the so called 'trust' that could be built through our relationship was at most 3 months on the job; I'd seen him maybe 10 times total, we weren't exactly friends.
    [4] The guy KNEW that the money would be handed over to the connect BEFORE I had the pills in hand. This method had been done before successfully, and it still has been. That's how we do shit around here, and it's not related to this matter whether or not it was "stupid."
    [5] I can't go after the guy. He has left the country, I think he might have done this to others as well.
    [6] To put this in perspective: the guy's in high school, living at home with his parents; he doesn't have to pay bills or find food for himself. Yeah, the $300 is a lot, but it's not like it's going to make him get evicted or anything
    [7] We both went in on this deal together, and we both lost money.

EDIT: And Psychonautical wtf man? If your guy Ryan's connect was legit for him, why would Ryan owe you anything? Unless he was 'in on it' as well (which apparently, he wasn't), he would have been helping you out.
 
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I don't see how this is much different from my situation. In each case, someone was told they'd get drugs in exchange for money. You became his dealer as soon as you took the money.

The only significant difference is that in my case, the person who took the money is either being extremely slow in getting a promised replacement shipped or is just continuing to lie to me so that he may keep himself from being exposed as a thief for a little while longer. His time is running out fast. I told him that I must receive the replacement or a refund by June, 15.

My last post was maybe a bit over the top. I have nothing against you personally, but I believe you are in the wrong here. I still don't see how our situations are different. You told the coworker that you could get him benzos. I was told that I could get ketamine.

The situation seems pretty similar. The guy who was supposed to send me the ketamine apparently didn't have it, or sold it to someone else, thinking he could get more. Or perhaps he is just a scammer. He delivered a small amount before, so I thought he kept the shit. For all I know, he may have been scammed himself. He didn't say anything about that, so I doubt that is the case.

In both cases, buyers paid a middleman. I didn't know he didn't have it, since it was done online. That is really the only other difference.

If I am told by someone who I at least have some trust in that they have used a certain source successfully many times and they can get me the drugs I want, I am going to feel that there is little risk. Unless I am told that I am at risk of losing my money, I am going to think that I will get the drugs I paid for or that I will get a refund. I would consider someone who failed to do either of those things to be a thief. If I knew where they lived, they'd have their vehicle smashed up with a baseball bat and many broken windows in their house. The cost of repairing the damage would far exceed what I was owed.

I know the address of the guy who ripped me off. I will not forget. He better hope that I am unable to afford a trip to his place for at least a few years.
 
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