Vaporizers and Fitness!

[sportbikesforlife]

Bullshit. I've trained in martial arts for the passed five years, and I weight lifted competitively for 2. I got 3rd place in an adult brazilian jiu-jitsu tournament when I was 17, and went 25-4 (w/l) boxing. So.. pretty much now that I am back in a state that requires certification, I can pick it up and be classified as "professional" in MMA.



Sorry, that is not true at all. First and foremost, vaporizing doesn't release carcinogens that burning does. Also, vaporizing doesn't create CO2 or CO, as it is not a combustion reaction.

Well...I disagree...there is no proof that smoking weed causes cancer. What do you want to smoke....smoke or hot oil? Do you feel hot oil into your lungs is any better than hot smoke????....if you do..then you are a fool!

 

[sarsXdave]

Well...I disagree...there is no proof that smoking weed causes cancer. What do you want to smoke....smoke or hot oil? Do you feel hot oil into your lungs is any better than hot smoke????....if you do..then you are a fool!

We're not talking so much about cancer, that's long term. SMOKING cannabis does affect your lungs, since you're combusting plant material, material with more of that resinous, tar-producing shit than tobacco.

Who's fucking talking about hot oil? If you mean the cannabinoids, which do exist as waxy/oily solids, then YES, vaporizing just those, without inhaling as much of the straight-up ignited vegetable matter IS better.

Goddamn, there have been so many posters recently with only 1-10 posts. I'm seriously starting to wonder if you're some collective of soccer moms out to sabotage harm reduction in cannabis users. If not, grow the fuck up, get your GED, and start trying out this thing called the "Scientific Method."

 

[texastoker]

IDK man, Michael Phelps smokes bongs

greatest example, whether his lawyers like it or not.

 

[shepj]

Well...I disagree...there is no proof that smoking weed causes cancer. What do you want to smoke....smoke or hot oil? Do you feel hot oil into your lungs is any better than hot smoke????....if you do..then you are a fool!

I didn't say smoking weed caused cancer, are you stupid enough to think that burning anything and putting it into your lungs can not cause or accelerate the development of cancerous cell? Marijuana is a plant, you find me a plant that can be combusted that contains zero carcinogens when combusted.

Hot oil? yeah.. I have no idea what you are talking about.

Put it this way:

our fuel for reaction, Marijuana + O2(g) -> CO2(g) + H2O

^ That is a perfect combustion, now, since combustions are rarely (if ever) perfect, you can assume a large amount of CO(g) and other greenhouse gases are produced (as with all combustions)...

So you're saying breathing in Carbon Dioxide, Carbon Monoxide, hydrogen gas (or atleast water vapor), and all the other shit that reaction bonds with in the air, is more safe than heating up weed in a vaporizer and not releasing any potentially dangerous/cancinogenic materials?

 

[sportbikesforlife]

I didn't say smoking weed caused cancer, are you stupid enough to think that burning anything and putting it into your lungs can not cause or accelerate the development of cancerous cell? Marijuana is a plant, you find me a plant that can be combusted that contains zero carcinogens when combusted.

Hot oil? yeah.. I have no idea what you are talking about.

Put it this way:

our fuel for reaction, Marijuana + O2(g) -> CO2(g) + H2O

^ That is a perfect combustion, now, since combustions are rarely (if ever) perfect, you can assume a large amount of CO(g) and other greenhouse gases are produced (as with all combustions)...

So you're saying breathing in Carbon Dioxide, Carbon Monoxide, hydrogen gas (or atleast water vapor), and all the other shit that reaction bonds with in the air, is more safe than heating up weed in a vaporizer and not releasing any potentially dangerous/cancinogenic materials?

Yeah....hot oil....wtf do you think your little vapor box is heating up? What do you think that sticky crystalized shit on your bud is bud? I personally know what is driving this so-called vapor movement and it's greedy little shits like you who are manufacturing them in China and making a fortune selling them to snobby rich little 18 year olds across the country that don't know any better fool!

 

[double ewe]

vaporizing is just another gimmick that you are being sold. It's no healthier than smoking. People are always going to come up with something to sell you.

not really.

see:

- Abrams DI et al. Vaporization as a Smokeless Cannabis Delivery System: A Pilot Study. Clin Pharmacol Ther. 2007, Apr 11; [Epub ahead of print].

- Earleywine M and Barnwell SS. Decreased Respiratory Symptoms in Cannabis Users Who Vaporize. Harm Reduction Journal. 2007, 4:11.

http://www.harmreductionjournal.com/content/4/1/11

The researchers then measured the volunteers' plasma THC levels and the amount of expired carbon monoxide (CO), which is considered a reliable marker for the unwanted combustion products contained in smoke. The two methods produced similar THC levels, with vaporization producing somewhat higher levels, and were judged equally efficient for administration of cannabinoids.

The big difference was in expired CO. As expected, there was a sharp increase in CO levels after smoking, while "little if any" increase was detected after vaporization. "This indicates little or no exposure to gaseous combustion toxins," the researchers wrote. "Vaporization of marijuana does not result in exposure to combustion gases, and therefore is expected to be much safer than smoking marijuana cigarettes."

while studies have shown that smoked marijuana does not cause cancer, there are many respiratory issues that ARE linked to smoked cannabis, esp. bronchitis/COPD, that many of us would like to avoid.

 

[sportbikesforlife]

avoid?

Yes..I understand the urgency now mr. salesman. I need to stop rolling joints and run out and buy a $500 volcano so I can avoid complications that arise from smoking cannabis. Once again you fail to recognize my main point....you are inhaling warm-hot oil into your lungs with a vaporizer....how is this less harmful than cool-warm-hot smoke? You all seem to be tap dancing around this point!

 

[double ewe]

Once again you fail to recognize my main point....you are inhaling warm-hot oil into your lungs with a vaporizer....how is this less harmful than cool-warm-hot smoke? You all seem to be tap dancing around this point!

the studies i posted address that issue directly. that you ignored them isn't my fault.

 

[sarsXdave]

He's got less than a dozen posts. He's quite obviously a troll in some way or another. If he's not intentionally pushing buttons, then he's got the logic of someone who's lived under a bridge their whole life.

If dude really is serious: quit acting like you're fucking five. Quit using strawman arguments (no one's making or telling YOU to go out and buy one immediately). If you need to create weird, illogical "faults" in vaping to make you feel better about smoking, you're not mature enough to be using psychoactives anyhow. You keep sticking to an incorrect, simplistic view of vaporization and combustion that wouldn't even give the conclusion of equal harm if it were true. If you want to be an adult, debate the facts as they are and not how you'd need them to be to feel good about your favorite route-of-administration. I like smoking too, but I don't need to pretend anything about it to do it.

Even IF vaping was just inhaling "warm-hot oil" and smoking was just inhaling the "cool-warm-hot smoke", your conclusions still wouldn't result. With smoking you're combusting not only the oil, but all the extraneous vegetable matter that doesn't contribute to the high (other than greater initial light-headedness as with all smoke inhalation). How would inhaling much, much more volume of tar and all the other crap for the same intensity of high as a much smaller amount of cannabinoid vapor be equally harmful? THC is vaporized at a temperature much lower than cannabis burns, so your implication that smoke could be cooler is also false. Cannabinoids are oily at room temperature, but they have a very low temp of vaporization, so the vapor is nothing like the cooking oils that people think of when they hear "hot oil."

This just bugs me because this is in a thread with a dude who has had reduced capability because of smoking. Whether you think it's a fun prank or are just ignorant, don't try to confuse people who're looking to improve their health unless you've got logic or facts.

 

[daysonatrain]

this is the most annoying part of bluelight, stupid trolls who just want to get on here and push peoples buttons. do you people really have nothing better to do? what a sad waste of time.

anyway, i used a vape a few times and found that it didnt hurt my lungs nearly as bad a smoke. however nowadays i dont smoke enough to make it worthwhile to blow 500 on buying one, so i think im going to make one and see how it works out. anyone have experience with homemade ones? (i know this is off topic, sorry)

 

[sarsXdave]

this is the most annoying part of bluelight, stupid trolls who just want to get on here and push peoples buttons. do you people really have nothing better to do? what a sad waste of time.

anyway, i used a vape a few times and found that it didnt hurt my lungs nearly as bad a smoke. however nowadays i dont smoke enough to make it worthwhile to blow 500 on buying one, so i think im going to make one and see how it works out. anyone have experience with homemade ones? (i know this is off topic, sorry)

The lightbulb ones can actually work pretty well. But, If you're up for spending around $50-60 the VaporGenie is actually pretty good. It takes maybe ten minutes to figure out how to work, and is small enough that the "stealth" factor of vapes now applies to being able to fit it in your pocket and take wherever. VG uses convection (pulling hot air through the bud) which is superior to conduction (heating the bud and inhaling what's liberated).

Because both homemade and VaporGenie use the heat of a lighter, you will be introducing some butane vapors into the equation. But, butane burns at so high a temperature that the unignited vapors should be negligible, relative to burning plant matter. The reaction for ignited butane produces only CO2 and water:

2C4H10 + 13O2 -> 8CO2 + 10H2O

You could also use an unscented candle, but they seem to give off a dark smoke. I stick with gas lighters.

 

[kultron]

Yes..I understand the urgency now mr. salesman. I need to stop rolling joints and run out and buy a $500 volcano so I can avoid complications that arise from smoking cannabis. Once again you fail to recognize my main point....you are inhaling warm-hot oil into your lungs with a vaporizer....how is this less harmful than cool-warm-hot smoke? You all seem to be tap dancing around this point!

lol get back to me when you died at age 55. the key word here is tar.

 

[expothead]

actually, the key word is 'particulates'.