PsyTrance Discussion and Stuff ver. III

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swilow said:
^In terms of utter blackness, I find Kindzadza's Waves from Inner Space to have a really dark, industrial feel- not at all evil or such, just utterly Pitch Black....Also, another mention to Zero-Blade seems in order...

Ikpeng and Silent Horror are certainly VERY sisnister sounding.....Methinks though that the term dark is being applied to freely- anything that isn't fullon isn't by needs be dark....
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Kindzadza never really struck me as "dark" more alien/inhuman than anything.

Acid Goblins is good and creepy.
Necropsycho has some nice stuff as well.

I agree about dark being applied to freely, most people seem to attach high bpm to "dark" which has nothing to do with the mood of a piece.

thanks for the silent horror recommendation, been sitting on my hard drive unplayed for a long time.
 
Kindzadza never really struck me as "dark" more alien/inhuman than anything.
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I get a really BLACK feeling from his tunes...not dark, but like a soot stained apocalyptic sky with machines and such digging trenches and all. But yeah, alien and inhuman sound about right. To be honest, I find silent horror kinda boring....Cgheck out Kannibal Holokaust ifm you want some real fucked up shit :) But, I re-repeat- Zero Blade (or the Andychrist). Its like they actually write the music in the dark (nay the BLACK)....almost satanic IMO....eg. good :D <3

Staroceanhouse, thanks for your comments- pretty much EXACTLY what I was going for; darkish bass, some interesting patterns, but with a bit o' melody.....However, its getting darker- nay BLACKER- as we speak. I'm incorporating more black metal into it, if you were interested....:)

I got plenty more, I should starta myspace so I don't have to keep upping the trax...when done, shallt post.
 
^ Heya swilow - feedback for your latest psy track is in the PD social thread. Just wanted to make sure you didn't miss it. :)
 
Celtic Cross - Hicksville has been re-released on Avatar so I finally have a copy.

Simply amazing...and it further cements my belief that Simon Posford is not human.
 
Have y'all heard Solar Fields' latest album - "Movements"? Wow. If you like psychill/psybient, buy this album right now. <3 It's all around one of the most well done albums I've heard in a long time - super smooth production & beautiful melodies.

swilow said:
^I canna find it, Sir.....
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Basically I really enjoyed it. IMO you've got a perfect balance of noise/psychedelic-weirdness and music. Got some really mind-bending sounds in there, and also a simple but powerful melody, as seems to be a swilow trademark. :)
 
Remastered as well, I'll nab that!

I am currently loving Menog - Musically Speaking. Gravitational field is a fucking stormer, especially considering it was coproduced with Space Tribe, who has put out nothing but toss for years iirc.
 
Psilo707 said:
OMG SHPONGLE, Ott, And Hallucinogen IN 2 MONTHS... (again)
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Am I the only person who thinks Posford is one of the most overrated producers on the scene. Granted his production is really top notch but it better be if you spend 10's of thousands of dollars on a production studio. But frankly his sound hasn't progressed in ages, he is still playing off the same style he started with which as become cliche. He is COMPLETELY out of touch with the evolution of psychedelic music, and thus hasn't evolved in years.

He hasn't released a new Hallucinogen track in ages, a new album in like 10 years, he said to my friend who was opening for him, who tried to give him a mix cd "I don't listen to trance any more, It isn't interesting any more". And yet still has the balls to charge thousands of dollars to play music he doesn't even like. That is pure commodification and soulless bullshit. Plus at the festival he was playing at he didn't even want to hang out with people and said "this is my work, I don't WANT to hang out at work all day" when he was on EPIC beautiful land with beautiful people and he would prefer to sit in his hotel room waiting for his next flight.

Ott on the other hand is a chill as fuck and funny as hell guy who will hang out with people in a heart beat, make you laugh your ass off, and especially recently has been more forward thinking with his production as the last time I saw him he was evolving his sound markedly to incorporating break beats and higher bpm psychedelic tracks than transcend the cliched ethno-dub that is hypersaturating the market.

I understand Shpongles place in the context of the evolution of Psy but I feel like the fact that he is still cashing in on such old non-progressive material is a bit antithetical to everything that I find interesting in electronic music in general and psychedelic music in particular.
 
Psychedelic Gleam said:
Am I the only person who thinks Posford is one of the most overrated producers on the scene. Granted his production is really top notch but it better be if you spend 10's of thousands of dollars on a production studio. But frankly his sound hasn't progressed in ages, he is still playing off the same style he started with which as become cliche. He is COMPLETELY out of touch with the evolution of psychedelic music, and thus hasn't evolved in years.
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You have a fair point that Ott is much more personable than Posford but that's not really relevant to his music. I don't know what you mean about his sound not progressing though. I think the Shpongle sound has progressed a lot recently and the live sets are amazing. The last Younger Brother album was excellently novel to and their sets are sick as well. While obviously he's still playing decade-old tracks in his Hallucinogen sets, his other projects are helping psychedelic music evolve. That said, he probably is overrated by virtue of being so well known and the Hallucinogen tracks don't stand up that well compared to modern psy.
 
Psychedelic Gleam said:
Am I the only person who thinks Posford is one of the most overrated producers on the scene. Granted his production is really top notch but it better be if you spend 10's of thousands of dollars on a production studio. But frankly his sound hasn't progressed in ages, he is still playing off the same style he started with which as become cliche. He is COMPLETELY out of touch with the evolution of psychedelic music, and thus hasn't evolved in years.

He hasn't released a new Hallucinogen track in ages, a new album in like 10 years, he said to my friend who was opening for him, who tried to give him a mix cd "I don't listen to trance any more, It isn't interesting any more". And yet still has the balls to charge thousands of dollars to play music he doesn't even like. That is pure commodification and soulless bullshit. Plus at the festival he was playing at he didn't even want to hang out with people and said "this is my work, I don't WANT to hang out at work all day" when he was on EPIC beautiful land with beautiful people and he would prefer to sit in his hotel room waiting for his next flight.

Ott on the other hand is a chill as fuck and funny as hell guy who will hang out with people in a heart beat, make you laugh your ass off, and especially recently has been more forward thinking with his production as the last time I saw him he was evolving his sound markedly to incorporating break beats and higher bpm psychedelic tracks than transcend the cliched ethno-dub that is hypersaturating the market.

I understand Shpongles place in the context of the evolution of Psy but I feel like the fact that he is still cashing in on such old non-progressive material is a bit antithetical to everything that I find interesting in electronic music in general and psychedelic music in particular.
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Shpongle
Hallucinogen
The Infinity Project
Mystery of the Yeti
Younger Brother
Celtic Cross
Walter Ego

No, I don't think he is overrated. Hallucinogen - Twisted is part of the foundation of goa trance. The greatest goa cd to have ever been produced.

I dont know him, and maybe after 15 years in the biz hes jaded, who knows, but the music stands on its own. There is a driving force behind his (and his collaborative projects) that cannot be heard elsewhere.
 
but I feel like the fact that he is still cashing in on such old non-progressive material is a bit antithetical to everything that I find interesting in electronic music in general and psychedelic music in particular.
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I think he's lucky. Of course its just work to him. I mean, to you its not, but to Posford, it genuinely is. Thats how he makes his money. Why does he need to love it? If you do, thats all that matters....I'm pretty sure the psychedelic bubble pops for many people eventually, and having the balls to say it is admirable I think. Itys just music; just trance music at that, not exactly a massively creative and innovative style of music at all...



Prometheus, for example, doesn't listen to trance either; I think thats a good thing, because their ideas are original.
 
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