"doda" A NEW DRUG KIDS ARE USING? I love how narcotics cops know nothing about drugs

[Valentine4]

"doda" A NEW DRUG KIDS ARE USING?

doda new drug? lol....

Before I get going, let me tell you this in all seriousness: this could ruin a great thing that has helped countless members on here, and ruin something that has improved their quality of life. Hell it may ruin something that in some cases has saved people lives.

Irresponsible reporting may well force me, and others, to go back to doing something that was ruining my life

I almost fell out of my chair laughing when I read this. You won't believe the sheer ignorance of this article, and of those whom the article describes. basically: SAVE YOUR KIDS FROM DODA, OH NO! ITS A DRUG, ITS NEW, YOUR CHILDREN ARE GOING TO DIE!

“I heard their stories how the kids go to the meat shops and buy $10 drugs together and divide it up,” Mr. Dhillon said. “I got phone calls from their moms who heard I was fighting [doda] and I talked to their kids, one 17 years old, one 18 years old, and they are totally addicted. They said they couldn’t quit until they are not selling [it] on the streets. It is a cheap drug. They quit school and don’t go to work and they stay home, dependent on this drug. That is why it was very important that someone step forward in order to stop it.”

There are so many inaccuracies and FLAT OUT LIES in this article that it is disgusting. particularly so because these lies have the power to change society, and ruin my, and many other's, lives.

-But first here is my little tirade about the media's and police's unintentional war on truth.

I always find it hilarious that police don't know anything about drugs, or even required to keep up with drugs. This goes for narcotics officers especially.They don't even do the most basic of research; even when releasing society impacting information to the media.

The same goes for the journalists. Since reporting and researching things is their only job, its really annoying when they do neither. When the simply relay false information bundled with sensationalism they are damaging society and furthering the ignorance of the already of the majority of people who's brains lack a filter for
bull shit.

Here is the is the article about doda:

Councillor, police fight sale of doda
Posted: April 10, 2009, 10:47 PM by Barry Hertz
Crime

By Jeff Labine, National Post

There is very little meat at Raj Meat Shop, a grimy store tucked among other grimy shops and massage parlours in a strip mall on Kennedy Road in Brampton.

Several selections of colourful meat sit among otherwise empty display cases, but behind the cash register, where a single employee avoids a
reporter’s questions with a mumble, the walls are barren.

According to Peel Regional Police, the store, along with five other meat and flower shops in Brampton, were actually in the business of selling doda, a dark powder made of ground poppy pods and used to brew a powerful opium tea.

In late March, police executed a series of search warrants and charged 22 people with various trafficking offences. Police seized 432.5 kilograms of suspected doda and 256 boxes of opium poppy heads, valued at more than $1.7-million.

Around the corner, six people were arrested at Brampton Advanced Dry Flowers and charged with trafficking and possession of doda. The store now appears empty, the doors locked and lights off, during normal business hours. When telephoned, there is no response.

“A lot of these guys are running under the guise of dried-flower stores, but you go into these stores and they have nothing in them, nothing other than doda, nothing other than dried poppies,” said Constable Mark Haywood, the officer in charge of Peel’s investigation.

“Yes, the flower is used in flower arrangements, but you have to use your common sense on it. If you’ve got a meat shop that has 10 breast of chicken and their main source of income is selling doda, what right do they have to have 150 boxes of poppy heads?”

Suburban Peel Region, with its large population of South Asian immigrants, is now an unlikely ground zero for an emerging battle against an ancient old-world drug.

There have been two crackdowns in Peel, which targeted doda more aggressively under pressure from Brampton Councillor Vicky Dhillon, who heard about the addictive drug from his teenage children and decided it was becoming a big problem.

“I heard their stories how the kids go to the meat shops and buy $10 drugs together and divide it up,” Mr. Dhillon said. “I got phone calls from their moms who heard I was fighting [doda] and I talked to their kids, one 17 years old, one 18 years old, and they are totally addicted. They said they couldn’t quit until they are not selling [it] on the streets. It is a cheap drug. They quit school and don’t go to work and they stay home, dependent on this drug. That is why it was very important that someone step forward in order to stop it.”

The use of opium tea has been popular for hundreds of years. Truck drivers and taxi drivers have been said to use doda to keep themselves awake and focused, although this goes against what Peel police believe the drug typically does. The effects of doda range from calmness and relaxation to sleeplessness, lethargy, itching, slowed breathing and nausea. High enough doses can lead to death.

Opium poppies are illegal under the Controlled Drugs and Substances Act, but poppy seeds are not inherently illegal.

The Act states any derivative of the poppy flower is also illegal, including the poppy pods used in doda. However, certain types of poppy pods — including most of those from Arizona — have a limited amount of opiates in them, which would make them legal. Furthermore, dried poppy pods can be used in floral arrangements. Doda users can simply buy the pods in a flower shop, grind them down and drink them in a tea.

“Right now, the South Asian community is addicting more and more. They are the only ones to know about this drug,” Mr. Dhillon said, noting Canadian authorities have been slow to respond. “I talked to Health Canada and they said it was not illegal, it is just a flower. They talk to doctors, they said it is drug.”

Peel police say the battle against doda has been a learning experience, both for them and for Health Canada, which tests seized materials for levels of opiates.

Const. Haywood said the first samples sent to Health Canada weren’t sufficient, but Peel increased the quantity of the sample and eventually Health Canada confirmed it contained codeine and morphine, two main ingredients of opium.

“When we first started doing this, there were issues with ... Health Canada. We basically had to educate them and went and spoke with one of the head guys from Health Canada,” Const. Haywood said. ‘‘Since it happened, of course we got calls all across Canada regarding what it is, what they can expect out there and what they can do to prosecute."

http://network.nationalpost.com/np/.../10/councillor-police-fight-sale-of-doda.aspx

Great, now poppies, which have saved my life from heroin, have recieved negative attention of the most dangerous kind, i.e. It's to save the children!

So someone was selling opium and opium poppies. But lets call it doda because as they said, a group of kids called opium doda. Hey the next time the police arrest you with marijuana tell them its called "Monkey Penis", and then stupid journalists and cops (all stupid) will all be like, "wow we have a discovered a new drug!" Then they can report to you how your kids are going to die and you better stop them when you see them smoking "Monkey Penis"

Apparently doing fact checking is too complicated for this journalist. And when they tried it, it must have been to hard, because they couldn't even get the most basic of things right:

The use of opium tea has been popular for hundreds of years. Truck drivers and taxi drivers have been said to use doda to keep themselves awake and focused, although this goes against what Peel police believe the drug typically does. The effects of doda range from calmness and relaxation to sleeplessness, lethargy, itching, slowed breathing and nausea. High enough doses can lead to death.

Apparently the journalist could not put 2 and 2 together. It's quite obvious that the Truck drivers were talking about some kind of stimulant, which if he did research (i.e his job) he would realize that truck drivers are notorious for taking meth/speed. And when I say research, I don't mean crawling the archives of the national library, I mean fucking google. Everything I point on here could be gleamed from google easily. Hell I doubt this journalist is smart enough to figure out how to masturbate.

The lies below would be hilarious if the subcribers of this paper were't taking this article as factual.But lying this badly in a news article is evil. If this were true then I'd be a millionaire with the poppies I keep so I don;t have to take a real drug:

In late March, police executed a series of search warrants and charged 22 people with various trafficking offences. Police seized 432.5 kilograms of suspected doda and 256 boxes of opium poppy heads, valued at more than $1.7-million.

This is another evil scare tactic lie. I think I know now that the writer may just have searched the internet for opium, heroin, and poppies; and simply used the information for these interchangeably.

1.7 Million dollars for unprocessed poppy extract and poppy heads.......really??????

Even if you find a vendor that sells by weight on ebay for poppy pods, a pound costs only $25 at a maximum. Were not allowed to post links to vendors or I would.

1 lbs of poppies would fill up a shoebox easily. Lets say the "boxes" could fit 10 shoeboxes; maybe less though, because they wold have to be hidden with packagin and what-not.

note: 1 lbs of poppies is approx. 30 large poppy pods.

So one shoe box is 25 dollars

10 Lbs x $25 = $250 per box

So 256 boxes would yield you a a value of: 256 boxes x 10 shoeboxes = 2560 Lbs

2560 lbs x $25 = $6,400

Assuming the pods made up half the value of seizures (or more since it would be practically impossible to find the opium without a drug sniffing dog, who are not trained in finding opium.) then that is a value of $850,000.

850,000 Dollars equals 34,000 Lbs of poppies.

I know the officers did not seize 34,000 lbs of poppies! Thats 17 tons!

Such fucking ignorance, how could a journalist....its just sad

Anways I had to get my feelings on this news article. Let me know what you think of doda.


doda, lmfao

 

[me0307]

*sigh*

i dont find this funny in any way, rather - aggravating. its a fucking plant. like really - ITS A PLANT.

first marijuana, now this. i know certain kinds of poppy are already illegal - but this is just...stupid.

im sure you're not the only one who takes "doda" as an alternative to heroin. but, once that gets out in the open....geez - i can already see it on the news

"Doda - a new drug - strong as heroin and your kids may be using it!"

*sigh*

people's ignorance and gullibility sadden me.

 

[GlassAss420]

Hhaha dude I hope they take all the fucking bullshit doda/poppies.. then their kids can go on the street and start doing heroin.. lol. Oh noes!!

 

[Cane2theLeft]

Estimations done for police investigations are generally not what someone would pay for the large amount as a whole, but what the total could net based on the smallest, street-level denomination sold (like how much 10 lbs of pot would yield in grams) and these vendors could be upping the price quite a bit.

also, I think you meant $64,000 not $6,400.

Irresponsible reporting may well force me, and others, to go back to doing something that was ruining my life

Come on, seriously? Assuming police started enforcing the illegality of pods, that wouldn't be due to the reporting, it would be due to PEOPLE USING THEM TO GET HIGH! Furthermore, take some responsibility- if poppy straw laws started to be enforced, then no one and nothing is FORCING you to go back to heroin. YOU control what you buy and ingest.

I alternatingly use pharmaceuticals and poppy pods for my severe chronic pain so I have nothing against the use of poppy pods and of course that article had some factual inaccuracies and was sensationalistic but both can be said about your ranting response.

 

[Lady Codone]

I've been dreading stories like these, but they're inevitable as more people learn about pods from forums and news stories like these. I think I'm personally going to stop telling people about my experiences with pods or mentioning anything at all about them to people who don't already know so there are that many fewer people that can potentially fuck this up for the rest of us. I know there's already tons of info out there, but it seems like the best contribution I can make to the situation--no more trip reports, questions, or other info regarding the recreational use of poppy pods from me, EVER. IMO we should all be careful about what we tell, and to whom.

Fuck stupid yellow journalists and all the moron teenagers who brag about and misuse the few legal substances we actually have that WORK. It's only a matter of time until they're gone for good.

 

[Tchort]

Poppy straw (the leftover plant material of the poppy, ranging from seeds, stems, heads, flowers, etc) has been used for what, 6000 years?

The problem isn't the article, it is the assholes who run this shop and sell drugs willingly and knowingly in an obscenely obvious way to teenagers.

This is why drugs that are not controlled or who aren't having their status enforced get to be controlled and have their status enforced. These guys in this 'meat shop' are obviously very poor and uneducated, trying to make a quick dollar. The problem is they have done what white skinned bourgois Westerners hate the most: they've come into the community, run an illegitimate business in town, sell drugs, sell drugs to kids.

I like what Burroughs said on the subject in Junky, when the first wave of 'Save our children from narcotics peddlers!' propaganda hit:

"who would want kids for customers anyway? They never have any money, they tell their parents everything and will spill under questioning without even being asked to"

I think some creative writing, revisionist history/pseudo-anthropology and political correctness could save poppy straw from having its Schedule II status enforced: Religious sacrament. Old religious cults of yesteryear did use the poppy as a sacrament (some say Opium cults used to exist). Proving the existance of an ancient religion that uses the poppy as a sacrament in rituals, claiming to be of that religion, and getting a pro bono ACLU/other nonprofit attorney to fight for you like the Native American Church and Peyote, the Brazilian/Amazonian DMT cult, could probably result in an exception to the law being made in the case of members of that group. After all, the poppy is a plant with scheduled drugs in it, like Peyote and Mimosa Hostilis/Zebra grass/etc, why not give the Opium cult an excemption under the law as well?

 

[drug_mentor]

That article is a laughable piece of shit. I feel sorry for all you folks dependant on the poppy pod tea to keep withdrawals at bay and/or have a good time. Hopefully the spotlight goes to something else before anything is really done about this.

 

[phr]

An article on this topic comes out every once in a while. Its typically a regional piece, usually about an ethnic store. Last one I saw came from Canada as well...

I can't speak for how much of an issue this really is, but publicity can't be good.

It seems that in situations like this, a small minority end up blowing it for the rest.

 

[garuda]

Come on, seriously? Assuming police started enforcing the illegality of pods, that wouldn't be due to the reporting, it would be due to PEOPLE USING THEM TO GET HIGH! Furthermore, take some responsibility- if poppy straw laws started to be enforced, then no one and nothing is FORCING you to go back to heroin. YOU control what you buy and ingest.

I alternatingly use pharmaceuticals and poppy pods for my severe chronic pain so I have nothing against the use of poppy pods and of course that article had some factual inaccuracies and was sensationalistic but both can be said about your ranting response.

If poppy pods are no longer openly and cheaply sold in the USA and I am there I will have two choices:

1. Buy buprenorphine or other opiates on the black market or from overseas pharmacies, so expensive

2. Lie and get into a suboxone program.

I'm not going to go back to not leaving the house, laying in garbage totally unmotivated contemplating suicide which is exactly the state I was in before poppy pods showed me a way out of that hell and for cheap.

All mental health professionals did was take my money and tell me if SSRIs didn't help(they did not) I needed hospitalization.
It was a goddamn miracle discovering poppy pods, the last five years have been the best of my life and my life has completely been turned around.

But no one would RX low dose opiates for suicidal depression so if pods are gone I'll have some tough choices to face

 

[Hammilton]

All mental health professionals did was take my money and tell me if SSRIs didn't help(they did not) I needed hospitalization. It was a goddamn miracle discovering poppy pods, the last five years have been the best of my life and my life has completely been turned around.

All you did was find a readily available source of morphine and codeine. You act like you were saved by some miracle. They're not a fucking miracle.

If poppy pods are no longer openly and cheaply sold in the USA and I am there I will have two choices:
1. Buy buprenorphine or other opiates on the black market or from overseas pharmacies, so expensive
2. Lie and get into a suboxone program.

And why would you have to lie to get into a suboxone program? It's not exactly difficult; from what you've said in this thread already, you'd easily be accepted without lying. There's always Kratom. Or tramadol. Or methadone.

Or, alternatively, you could quit using. Right now all you're doing is taking another recreational opiate that happens to be more easily available.

 

[theonly764hero]

If poppy pods are no longer openly and cheaply sold in the USA and I am there I will have two choices:

1. Buy buprenorphine or other opiates on the black market or from overseas pharmacies, so expensive

2. Lie and get into a suboxone program.

I'm not going to go back to not leaving the house, laying in garbage totally unmotivated contemplating suicide which is exactly the state I was in before poppy pods showed me a way out of that hell and for cheap.

All mental health professionals did was take my money and tell me if SSRIs didn't help(they did not) I needed hospitalization.
It was a goddamn miracle discovering poppy pods, the last five years have been the best of my life and my life has completely been turned around.

But no one would RX low dose opiates for suicidal depression so if pods are gone I'll have some tough choices to face

Maybe you could use DXM to combat your opiate withdrawls. It has an opiate-like sedating effect as well as subjective ego-loss and possible attainment of higher states of consciousness which can allow for a birds-eye-view of what your addicition really is in contrast to your being.
Or I'll even go as far as reccomending the use of LSD, psylocybin and other natural entheogens that can greatly curb addictions. I've heard turn around stories concerning psychadelics in assisting the path to recovery from Herion, speed, cocaine, cigarettes, alcohol, benzos, etc.

 

[ActiveA]

I first thought you meant Dota, which is a video game that loads of asian kids in my area are addicted too...

 

[qwe]

wow, how do they fit 7000 poppy heads in one box? 8) (giant pods are at most a dollar each)

the article is like a modern day version of the racist-antidrug-propaganda articles they used to illegalize opium in some western States

 

[qwe]

That article is a laughable piece of shit. I feel sorry for all you folks dependant on the poppy pod tea to keep withdrawals at bay and/or have a good time. Hopefully the spotlight goes to something else before anything is really done about this.

guess deciding to taper this summer might have been a better decision than i thought...

Or, alternatively, you could quit using. Right now all you're doing is taking another recreational opiate that happens to be more easily available.

i believe he does not want the problems with the black market, like
A) potential violence
B) health problems due to cutting drugs
C) varying potency making overdose more likely
D) higher price, at the worst cases, causing people to turn to crime
E) being dopesick when they cant get supply
F) life ruined by getting caught
G) purity fluctuations unknowingly increasing tolerance. higher purity due to trafficking conveniency increasing temptation. etc etc

And why would you have to lie to get into a suboxone program? It's not exactly difficult; from what you've said in this thread already, you'd easily be accepted without lying. There's always Kratom. Or tramadol. Or methadone.

kratom? tramadol?

i don't believe you understand how intense tolerance to pods can be...

Maybe you could use DXM to combat your opiate withdrawls. It has an opiate-like sedating effect as well as subjective ego-loss and possible attainment of higher states of consciousness which can allow for a birds-eye-view of what your addicition really is in contrast to your being.
Or I'll even go as far as reccomending the use of LSD, psylocybin and other natural entheogens that can greatly curb addictions. I've heard turn around stories concerning psychadelics in assisting the path to recovery from Herion, speed, cocaine, cigarettes, alcohol, benzos, etc.

well unfortunately, LSD/psychedelic/psycholytic psychotherapy is illegal too

the only RELIABLE probable way to ensure a certain outcome for a trip (eg, a peak experience, a religious experience, a psychotherapeutic experience, a self exploration experience, a pleasure experience) is to be prepared by someone with training in psychology and psychedelics; psychotherapists, before their illegalization, took psychedelics many times in order to understand them so that they could use them in their practice

and, since sensationalist articles like these have illegalized the hippie peace drugs as well as the addictive drugs, no psychologist today, unless you are of the 0.000001% lucky enough to get into a drug study or know a very liberal psychologist, will give you any psychedelic therapy

 

[paranoid android]

This was by the national post what the fuck kinda story did you expect? There the most right wing useless newspaper in canada.

The only thing there good for is when you run outta toilet paper .

 

[CloudyHazeD]

i don't believe you understand how intense tolerance to pods can be...

This is something allot of people don't realize. After years of pod use, you can easily have a habit that will rival a gram of dope.

IME, I tried to go from pods to heroin(thinking it would be cheaper). My tolerance was so incredibly high, that the first half gram of smack I ever bought didn't even get me high..... Come to find, it would take me well over 1.5g snorted to get where 60 to 80 grams pod would get me.

So, I guess the point is, pods aren't really something to mess around with, IF you don't realize that what you are taking is indeed a powerful opioid.

 

[GolfR32]

This is why I very rarely tell people the secret of poppy pods. To me it is the best kept secret of this country.

 

[toastedpanda]

Damn why do people have to fuck up a good thing, I'm gonna have to try pods before thier possesion is a felony.

 

[Mr Blonde]

no more trip reports, questions, or other info regarding the recreational use of poppy pods from me, EVER. IMO we should all be careful about what we tell, and to whom.

Whilst we should indeed watch what we say and how certain actions may draw attention to things we would prefer to stay discreet, discussion of harm reduction and usage of substances should always be important. Even if they do start cracking down on stores selling this, people are going to find other ways to get them and we want them to be able to access the information they need to stay safe, and part of this is drawing on others experiences.

 

[Valentine4]

So do you think that the "secret" poppy pods will remain legal in the US for long, or forever?

Oh and sorry about being so crass in the original post, I was just thoroughly irritated.