Obama's Demented Drug Policy

I think legalization for a lot of drugs would help boost the economy, but I don't think people have the right to blame Obama for not making it his first priority, a lot of other, more significant factors are bringing the economy down, and I think any president would put drug legalization beneath those bigger issues..
 
i think it's idiotic to think voting for someone involved with the democratic or republican party would change anything. these partys are the head pigs of america.
voting won't do shit.
organize on the streets man.

i use my vote as a political statement and vote green party. i suggest voting for someone you really agree with and not the "lesser of two evils" cuz you're basically choosing between satan and the devil.
 
i think it's idiotic to think voting for someone involved with the democratic or republican party would change anything. these partys are the head pigs of america.
voting won't do shit.
organize on the streets man.

i use my vote as a political statement and vote green party. i suggest voting for someone you really agree with and not the "lesser of two evils" cuz you're basically choosing between satan and the devil.

yea 420 smoke weed every day bro, lets hit the streets oh wait i gotta hit this bong 8)
 
I'm not saying it's a bad idea, I know the legalization and taxing of drugs as well as the new industry would benefit America, slightly at the moment. The US GDP per year is about 14 trillion, so while drugs may be something to look at in the future its not going to be the savior of the economy. Plus, it would take time to develop the industry.

Right, I'm saying it's a bad idea not to do everything we can do to help the situation, and drastically changing drug policy is a pretty damn good way to start.

There is no silver bullet, the bailout is not going to work, we should trim as much fat as we can find...and then go to war. I predict there will be a huge war in the next 10-15 years and ultimately that will be what saves us economically.

/Mere conjecture.
 
Legalization isn't just about fixing the economy, its about setting the country back on its constitutional principles. No where in the constitution is the federal government granted the right to regulate drugs, that falls to the states. Furthermore, the Declaration of Independence states that man has certain unalienable rights, chief among them the right to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. Its clear to me that the drug war violates each of these unalienable rights. Sure, it might not be politically expedient or smart to make this point as a politician, but it is another thing entirely to do what Obama did and dismiss it as some crackpot idea; that is what made me and other so angry.

Also, 70 billion dollars is not some small bit of money; it would go some way to paying down the massive debt Bush/Obama are creating. But, this isn't just an economic issue, it goes far beyond that. Think of the lives of the hundreds of thousands of children growing up with parents in prison whose lives would be greatly improved if they were released, and the tens of thousands who would remain alive each year from a decrease in drug war related violence. As the article points out, the drug war is undermining the war in Afghanistan, one which has already dragged on longer than any war fought by America, save Vietnam. If there is any hope for peace in that country, its going to involve a compromising the war on drugs and/or employing new tactics hitherto untried regarding poppy cultivation.

I would go so far as to say that the current situation as propped up by our rulers is nothing short of a vast global human rights abuse. And those of you who are shutting your eyes and saying "maybe next term" should wake the fuck up...nothing is gonna change unless we apply pressure and make our voices heard. Until then this fraud of a drug war will continue on its current course, no matter who is president.
 
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If it's unconstitutional, then it's a matter for the courts, not Obama or Congress.

But, I agree something has to be done. I am all for action and protest on this topic, as I do think it would be beneficial to this country. We all know why legalization would be good, and until a sizable number of Americans think that it is an important issue, it will be cast to the wayside. That's why Obama is so easily able to laugh off the topic, no one really wants to talk about it right now. If we the people bring it to the forefront, he will be forced to address.

Saying that legalization will benefit the economy is a sneaky, roundabout way of supporting legalization. If it's going to be legalized, it has to be considered on its merits and pushed to the top of agenda of its own accord by thoughtful, willful citizens.
 
I bet some of the people that voted for him are regretting that decision now...and not just from the "war on drugs" farce....


He lied. Simple as that.

America is headed in a very bad direction, we are fast becoming totalitarian governed and personal FREEDOMS are being taken away at an alarming rate.

I think I need to leave this country, maybe Canada would be good.

same thing wit canada, mexico, everywhere but russia. but thats according to alex jones that weird ass conspiracy theorist.
 
Are we the only 2 people on bluelight who voted for the right candidate?


He sure as hell doesn't have to ignore the issue as if it isn't pertinent.

People aren't whining, they're violently angry. They're ready to drag people in the middle of the streets and slaughter them.

That isn't whining; people are out for blood.


Legalizing drugs would help the economy tremendously, national healthcare is a shit idea and no one deserves such a thing, you don't "fix" the situation in Iraq. If you wanted to do that, you'd pull every single last troop out immediately.

And people aren't worried about getting blazed you dumb fuck. They're worried about the future of their country they live in. People have a right to be upset at this kind of shit.

Additionally, don't blame me, I know I didn't vote for some dumb ass like Obama.



No, we all don't "secretly" know this.

Politicians don't need to play mind games, they need to SPEAK ALOUD WHAT THEY BELIEVE.

Barr would have legalized marijuana, and if you're in this thread complaining, and you voted for Obama, I'm sorry but you're part of the problem, not the solution, and you don't deserve your right to vote and then complain because you don't know how to access political issues for your own life and well being.

Let someone else do your thinking for you if you thought some shit head like Obama was going to legalize weed...because that's not what he was saying before election day.

you sir, are a fuckin dumbass people are out for blood cuz they cant get high? i think not, legalizing weed would make them further into debt because they make more money keeping it illegal.

tl;dr it wont ever be legal so shut the fuck up
 
I bet some of the people that voted for him are regretting that decision now...and not just from the "war on drugs" farce....


He lied. Simple as that.

America is headed in a very bad direction, we are fast becoming totalitarian governed and personal FREEDOMS are being taken away at an alarming rate.

I think I need to leave this country, maybe Canada would be good.

Fuck me man. I totally am regretting voting for him...

Hes a fucking spineless tool. Guess black ppl shouldn't be president.
 
he better bring some good coke here, regardless of legislation, like the bush sr. did. godammit the people demand it.
 
Yeah this drives me crazy. Even on mainstream news, it's widely acknowledged that the war on drugs isn't working, that as long as Americans want drugs, more money to the war on drugs isn't going to do anything. It's a pretty common theme and then in the next fucking sentence people say "well we're going to send more troops to secure the border"....WTF!!!

Even if they stop 90% of the drugs smuggled into the country, it's not going to help the situation. because:
-smugglers will be making even more money, making smuggling an even more lucrative career with people who have nothing to lose.
-since the quality of the drugs will go down, addicts will need to steal more, turn more tricks (spread more HIV) to be able to afford their drugs.
-more people will die because with less drugs to go around, cartels all the way to street pushers will have to fight over turf and limited supply of drugs
-more people will start scamming doctors
-it might stop the violence in mexico, only to jump start violence in columbia or other latin american countries.

the list goes on and on. I just wonder in 20 years if people will still be this stupid. as long as there is money to be made, people will figure out a way to get around whatever road blocks are created.

edit: maybe airlines will benefit, because instead of shipping in 100's of kilos via cars/trucks/boats, people will have to mule drugs across the border via flying commercial aircraft.

completely agree
 
you sir, are a fuckin dumbass people are out for blood cuz they cant get high? i think not, legalizing weed would make them further into debt because they make more money keeping it illegal.
Oh dear... Honey, the government doesn't make money by keeping drugs illegal. Their friends make money by them keeping drugs illegal. The politicians make money personally by keeping drugs illegal. The handful of high-up government officials that run all the drug-related political installations get to keep some cushy, well-paid jobs. But the government SPENDS LOTS of money to keep drugs illegal. The DEA, NIDA, and the prison institution cost billions upon billions of dollars every year. The DEA and NIDA could be utilized in much more efficient ways without even blinking, and the prison system could save an unholy amount of money if there were no such thing as a drug offender.

tl;dr it wont ever be legal so shut the fuck up
As Dr. Sbaitso would say, I believe you are mistaken.

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Plus, it would take time to develop the industry.
I think you are seriously overestimating the time it would take. The recreational marijuana industry is already well in place, and any corporate interests would take about a week to get set up. Marlboro already owns the name "Marlboro Greens" and the only change to their infrastructure would be adding marijuana to their fields. All the tobacco companies already have every piece of equipment they would need. The hemp industry might take up to a month, but that's only because there would actually be some relevant equipment changes necessary for paper, textile, and oil production, but they would also be quite minimal in the scope of things. There are no economic changes to be made (purchasing, sales, tax, etc., are the same for everything). That's why legalizing is such a freakin great idea. Shame it won't happen any time soon...


Thought I'd share:
http://www.reuters.com/article/newsOne/idUSTRE53K00Y20090421

U.S. "home invasions" up as thugs seek drug cash
Tue Apr 21, 2009 12:05pm EDT

By Tim Gaynor

TUCSON, Ariz (Reuters) - When the heavy battering started to buckle the front door of her new home in Tucson, Maria remained frozen to the spot with fear. As her family scattered to hide in the bedrooms, bathroom and kitchen, masked men toting guns and dressed in flack jackets stormed into the living room shouting "Police! Everyone on the floor!" Her cheek pressed to the ground, she watched as the men fanned out through the comfortable suburban house, pistol whipping her brother-in-law and shouting, "Where are the guns and the drugs?" "I raised my head and saw his black boots ... It was then I realized they weren't police at all," she recalled, speaking on condition of anonymity.

Maria, who has no connection to the criminal underworld, is among scores of law-abiding Tucson residents caught up in a wave of violent so-called home invasions, most of them linked to the lucrative trade in drugs smuggled from Mexico. Maria had bought the house weeks before and the gunmen believed drug traffickers were using it. The desert city is less than two hour's drive from the Mexico border. It lies on a crossroads for the multimillion dollar trade in drugs headed north to market across the United States from Mexico, as well as guns and hot money proceeds headed south to the cartels.

Five years ago, police say home invasions were virtually unheard of in Tucson. Now the crimes run at three to four a week, as criminals go after the profits of the illicit trade in marijuana, black-tar heroin, cocaine and methamphetamine through the city. "We've always dealt with those in business establishments, banks and convenience stores, it was very unusual to see them in houses," Roberto A. Villasenor, Tucson's assistant chief of police said of the recent trend. "The home was seen as a safe spot."

CAUGHT UP

Curbing drug violence is a top concern for the government in Mexico, where rival cartels murdered 6,300 people last year as they battled the authorities and each other for control of lucrative smuggling corridors to the United States. It is also high on the U.S. agenda as authorities seek to stop cartel-related crimes such as kidnappings, home invasions and gangland-style slayings from bleeding over the porous U.S. border and taking hold here. A year ago, Tucson police department set up a special unit to target the rising number of home invasions. Since then, the officers have investigated at least 173 cases scattered across the city, three-quarters of them tied to the drug trade, investigators say.

The assailants -- typically teams of two to six people -- frequently dress in tactical gear and identify themselves as police officers, Drug Enforcement Administration agents or SWAT team members as they burst into houses to steal drugs, cash or guns. "Demographics mean nothing when it comes to home invasions. We see (them) in some of the richest, most wealthy parts of town, and also in some of the most downtrodden, completely poor areas," said Detective Sergeant David Azuelo, who runs the home invasion unit.

While most raids target the drug trade, some have branched out and gone after students and other law-abiding residents, Azuelo said. Others assault families who just happen to live in a house that was once used to deal drugs, or simply because the attackers got the wrong address. "Just imagine, you're sitting at home relaxing, watching TV. All of a sudden your door bursts open, people are screaming and yelling, they're pointing guns at you, they may be hitting your family members," he said. "I can't imagine many crimes that are worse than that."

SEEKING MORE AID

Last month, U.S. Homeland Security Secretary Janet Napolitano announced a $184-million plan to crack down on the smuggling of narcotics, guns and money by criminal gangs that threaten security on both sides of the border. The plan also allocated $59 million to help local law enforcement tackle border-related crime -- a lifeline welcomed by Tucson police.

"We are looking to take advantage of any of those funds that we can, because we have needs here," assistant chief Villasenor told Reuters in a recent interview. He said the home invasion unit, which currently has five detectives, needed more officers, as well as additional crime-scene technicians to catch the criminals, whom police say are a mostly local street gang members and a "hodgepodge" of criminal opportunists. Villasenor would also welcome better surveillance equipment to help officers nab the increasingly tech-savvy criminals, who often hard to trace disposable cell phones with prepaid minutes to plan and carry out their crimes.

Putting the criminals behind bars would also be an important step to helping victims like Maria overcome the trauma of the violent raid on her home. "We haven't slept since it happened," she said as she perched on the edge of the couch in her living room, her eyes brimming with tears. "I keep wondering if they will be back."

(Editing by Cynthia Osterman)
 
The word "develop" implies more than startup costs and setups, just because the infrastructure is essentially set up that doesn't mean it will turn into the flourishing industry you guys say it will overnight.
 
this is really disappointing.

Politicians of courage and conviction died out decades ago; don't be suprised
or disappointed, be angry, since we are looking forward to another five years of drug-policy blindness and cowardice.
 
I didn't vote for Obama... I don't trust him (not that I trust any politician) He worries me. My husband is career Army, so who the president is really affects all aspects of our life. Our pay, where my husband is going to get shipped off to (he's in Iraq right now)...

Question: Is there something in the works to have the US vote for the legalization of marijuana?

I saw an ad on TV yesterday that was advocating for the legalization of marijuana. I thought it was rather funny...

(might I add, I don't smoke weed, but I think it should be legal. Its no worse than alcohol or cigarettes, imo. i used to smoke, then got tired of it...)
 
Its ridiculous how much his "lies" are building up. Its almost as if there is no end to them. My God...
Strap on your diaper son cause your pants are gonna get messy these next few months!
 
All this talk of political capital and shit is worthless.

Legalizing drugs would save the country BILLIONS and simultaneously generate BILLIONS in tax revenue, both at the state and federal level.

The only reason Obama isnt touching this issue is because he is pandering to the social conservatives.

The same social conservatives that are truly ruining america. They want a christian theocracy. A christian version of Iran.

Fuck them.
 
surprise surprise... shouldn't we expect a president of the USA to ignore this issue... god damn puppets

amen wilycoder
 
I wonder how much campaign donations he received from alcohol, tobacco, and big pharma...and how much lower that would be during the re-election campaign if he legalized MJ and/or other drugs.

Probably lower profits in all three industries if the more recreational, illegal alternatives made their way to the pharmacy counter. Would this be offset by the raging legal recreational drug trade? Surely the pharmaceutical industry is well-equipped to pick up where the cartels leave off.

Think about what would happen if one could by cocaine or heroin on credit, that shit would be sick, hell that'd have to remain illegal.
 
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