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jac1999

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So I have just tested some recently purchased 'pure' MDMA and can report the following:

Appearance: Brown largish crystals and some powder of the same colour.

Marquis Test: No colour change but effervescence (bubbling) for a minute after application of liquid.

Simons Reagens: Turns blue after a few seconds

Robadope Reagens: No colour Change.

Friend taking it last weekend: "Amazing shit, got totally fucked".

It's the fact it is brown and did not react to Marquis that worries me. Any thoughts as to what the suspect could be?

Appreciate any insights but please don't just read off the insert that comes with the testing kit .... that's a bit obvious.

Cheers :)
 
JAC1999 I have a thread on pillreports (UK section) for fake MDMA - lots of suspected contents M1,Metholone, bath crystals etc It may give you some answers?
 
I take it you think it's fake then. Can't find your report, can you cut and paste the link.
 
jac1999 said:
So I have just tested some recently purchased 'pure' MDMA and can report the following:

Appearance: Brown largish crystals and some powder of the same colour.

Marquis Test: No colour change but effervescence (bubbling) for a minute after application of liquid.

Simons Reagens: Turns blue after a few seconds

Robadope Reagens: No colour Change.

Friend taking it last weekend: "Amazing shit, got totally fucked".

It's the fact it is brown and did not react to Marquis that worries me. Any thoughts as to what the suspect could be?

Appreciate any insights but please don't just read off the insert that comes with the testing kit .... that's a bit obvious.

Cheers :)
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I *really* hate to be the one to jump on the piperazine train, but my first thought to reading no reaction w/Marquis with a bubbling effect went there, and the Simons turning blue furthered the thought. How experienced is your friend? Piperazines are said to mimic MDxx like symptoms very well, perhaps they were fooled? Either way, I wouldn't ingest. :(
 
RavenousBlonde said:
I *really* hate to be the one to jump on the piperazine train, but my first thought to reading no reaction w/Marquis with a bubbling effect went there, and the Simons turning blue furthered the thought. How experienced is your friend? Piperazines are said to mimic MDxx like symptoms very well, perhaps they were fooled? Either way, I wouldn't ingest. :(
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They were quite experienced users although I think they took it with G as well. My friend last night had some and seemed to be truly happy with the stuff. Does Marquis ever get it wrong?
 
They were quite experienced users
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no offense to your friends, but I know alot of "experienced" users that still think they're getting dosed with heroin every time they get a good pill, and have no idea what MDMA is, although they've claimed to take "molly" a shit ton
 
rincewindrocks said:
no offense to your friends, but I know alot of "experienced" users that still think they're getting dosed with heroin every time they get a good pill, and have no idea what MDMA is, although they've claimed to take "molly" a shit ton
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Thanks for that pearl of wisdom but waxing lyrical about the poor judgement of people on drugs is hardly a moot point. I think you'll find that poor judgement is part of the fun of being on drugs.

Anyhow, my original question was whether anyone could come up with an idea as to what this stuff might be, not whether my friends are good judges of MDMA. All they said was 'got totally fucked'. So any ideas rincewindrocks?
 
jac1999 said:
They were quite experienced users although I think they took it with G as well. My friend last night had some and seemed to be truly happy with the stuff. Does Marquis ever get it wrong?
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If they took it with GHB as well, then, of course they were fucked! They probably just can't distinguish off of which drug. :)

As far as Marquis getting it wrong, it should react to MDMA, MDA, MDEA, MDE, and a TON of other chemicals, so the no reaction w/the fizzing (common piperazine reaction) really would trouble me. Paired with the dark brown color of the crystals, it would make me even more wary. I've only seen brown molly twice, and it tested off the charts. 98% of the molly I have seen has been white/off white to a sandy beige, but that could be bc I'm in the states. *shrug*

Either way, if it was me, I wouldn't chance it based off the testing results. Let us know if you do, though. Stay safe! :)
 
Taste it, when it`s sour and fizzes on your tongue, then it`s def. piperazines. Many people get fooled by piperazines - experienced mate said while rolling that pills were good, i asked, if they were mdma and mate said "ofcourse!". Had one and found myself puking 45 minutes later for 8 hours, unable to sleep and with very weird hallucinations.
 
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Certainly sounds like pipes. Your physical description is akin to many people's experience with pipes. I think in britian they call it sludge. Also fizzing with no reaction is def pipes.

99/100 is was pipes
 
Taking ecstasy with G doesn't sound like a good idea. Have you considered sending these pills to ecstasydata.org?
 
RavenousBlonde said:
I *really* hate to be the one to jump on the piperazine train, but my first thought to reading no reaction w/Marquis with a bubbling effect went there, and the Simons turning blue furthered the thought. How experienced is your friend? Piperazines are said to mimic MDxx like symptoms very well, perhaps they were fooled? Either way, I wouldn't ingest. :(
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I have to agree with Ravenous here. I have tested many a piperazines and they usually give no reaction except for a hydrogen peroxide on a cut type of reaction. Piperazines do mimic an MDxx high, that is until you take to much because it mimics a low dose of an MDxx substance. Then it sucks.
 
760rollz said:
I have to agree with Ravenous here. I have tested many a piperazines and they usually give no reaction except for a hydrogen peroxide on a cut type of reaction. Piperazines do mimic an MDxx high, that is until you take to much because it mimics a low dose of an MDxx substance. Then it sucks.
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I agree too and have had similar experiences in testing and taking pills...

http://www.pillreports.com/index.php?page=display_pill&id=14002

Between really being fooled by these pills, and the lack of reaction to all reagents EXCEPT the Simmons, I have made the educated guess that these were MeOPP (4-methoxyphenylpiperazine).

I came to this conclusion for 3 reasons:

1. As I understand, the piperazine that is chemically structured closest to MDMA is MeOPP
2. Piperazines usually produce only a slight fizzing reaction to Mandelin, Marqis and Mecke with no coloration (which these did).
3. Simmons turns cobalt blue in the presence of a secondary amine (which MeOPP is)

I have tested many pills and this is the only one that had a reaction to only the Simmons and nothing else...

Can anyone back this up or give more info?
 
^^^ I suspect you are on to something here. :)

From what phase_dancer described to me, different piperazines will react differently to the reagents - for instance, some pipes will turn the Simons a violet-blue, and some will not. I really hate that I am not chemistry inclined, and I wish I knew as much as our revered p_d. :( Maybe they will pop their head in here and be able to give you a more thorough, educated response. :)
 
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