Obama's Demented Drug Policy

Keep in mind I am a very strong supporter of getting rid of the war on drugs however even I feel that in the current situation it is much more important to fix the most pressing issues first.
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This is a very true statement. In this economy, drug policy reform is the last thing on the President's mind. Not to mention all the effort it is taking to unfuck the nation in the wake of 8 years of mind-erasing stupidity with Bush, et al.

And Obama's administration is very much eying what will best ensure a second term, so I wouldn't expect to see any boat-rocking "controversial" policy changes until them. If a second term happens, then maybe we will see some truly lasting progressive changes, such as appointment of Supreme Court justices from (at the very least) the 20th century instead of the 19th (we just need a lot of the current ones to die out).

People will ALWAYS be stupid.
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And this is probably the truest statement I've heard all week. Never underestimate the stupidity of the masses, or the representatives they elect. As one US Senator remarked after claiming that he does not believe in evolution and considers the earth to be exactly 4000 years old (or whatever the Bible-thumpers and snake-handlers think): "there is no intelligence test for being a Senator."
 
Riemann Zeta said:
This is a very true statement. In this economy, drug policy reform is the last thing on the President's mind.
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I guess...the ironic thing is that the money from legalization is exactly what would give this economy the boost it needs right now...I think if someone actually made it happen, and then saw the results, the huge improvement in the economy...the country would actually see how much the drug laws have been holding us back and couldnt deny supporting it.
 
I seem to recall another recent news article stating that the Mexican government is now having an open debate on the merits of decriminalizing marijuana. And I just saw a news blurb in which Obama and the president of Mexico were expressing their concerns about doing something about the VIOLENCE associated with drug trafficking. In particular, they cited the need to stop the flow of high powered assault weapons and illicit cash from drug sales from the USA into Mexico.

Perhaps we need to read between the lines and hope that they are considering decriminalization, possibly eventually leading to regulated legalization, as the most rational and viable solution to the current problems.

But we can't be too overzealous and expect them to propose that to the public so soon. It's an idea that must be presented gradually so people understand its merits over our present drug policy and it has an opportunity to gain acceptance.

I continue to have hope that Obama realizes the current drug war is a failure and I believe he will try to make substantial changes when the time is right.

See my other thread... White House tries to combat drug demand with rehab
 
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"He has to worry about the economy."
He's ruining the economy and making billionaires even richer. Bailouts for the wealthest people in the world and handing over immense sums of tax payer money (stimulus bill) to corporations is his answer. Open you eyes.

"The war" (which no one here has mentioned)
He is EXPANDING war. FFS you Obama people are dumb.

"Drugs"
EXPANDING the drug war. This is not a neutral policy. It is a clear continuation of past policies.

HOPE CHANGE !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 
FUCK I can get so pissed and vocal about the motherfuckingoddamned waste of life called the 'drug war' and the fact that any RATIONAL, half-brained person can weigh the options and realize the closest thing to a 'solution' is to legalize all and REGULATE. But I'm not going to get into a 10 page rant.

I'm currently making some anti-obama t-shirts.... basically because I think he's a fucking snake... in some ways wayyy sneakier than other candidates, that he bullshitted his way to presidency by being a minority (Don't get defensive about this... it's true that he got a lot of votes just for being "black") and essentially promising this amazing CHANGE! Well I've been smelling bullshit since I heard the word 'obama'.

My shirts are called 'Obamination' and they feature obama's lying face with some clever quips like "NO we can't", "I AM A LIAR", "You've been Duped!" and "Same shit different color/name/story ETC."

Yes I'm pissed!
 
my personnal opinion, obama is a well-spoken, two-faced, pos bastard that needed to go away the second he came around:p wait does anyone really know when he came around??? sort of like he just popped up one day.

On the drug note, all drugs will most likely never be made legal. That said I think that pot will become legal, for everyone in 5, maybe 10 years in the future give or take. He's a fucking idiot to try and not make it or at least start the process, of legalizing it because as people above probably already said: it would make 50-70% (who can actually be sure on how much) of the product drug cartels provide us legal to obtain. Gee huh, what do the poor drug cartels do to make money then:\?? well then they fight for the cocaine, heroin, and etc. trades which would be the remaining %...Oiy Vey...fuck it im going to roll one.fucku barack
 
I'm not sure which parallel universe you guys inhabit where americans are in favor of legalizing.
Polls mean nothing when it comes to these issues btw, so please save them. If we were to run one on bluelight and I'm convinced there won't be a vote against it.
America is not bluelight, it's an extremely religious country. It has freaking xtian tv. Some are even 24/7 for crying out loud. I haven't visited any other country that shows xtian tv past midnight (quite the opposite in most I've visited). So then, which is the party who has pocketed the religious institutions in America? Right wing politicians, backed by xtian nutcases who scream commie! at any argument thrown at them when they're on fox news. Just look at the total voting results, 52.9% obama vs 45.7% mccain. That's quite of an opposition considering how shitty of a president Bush turned out to be. Now of that blue majority there are still quite a few who are old & religious, and probably not that many who are pro legalizers. If you were to weigh those who are against it, and for it, legalization would lose out.
Had Obama had taken the question seriously in that town hall meeting, the right would've hung him by the balls. We would have pro drug-war rallies sponsored by fox in every state and stupid shit like that fueled by fear mongering just in the same fashion as we have with the anti-abortion, and second amendment movements. The only states who are for legalization are probably blue states, but they won't have their say unless the red states lighten up about this issue. As long as the fear mongering goes on am radio and the likes of fox we will not have any progress at all.
Don't take me wrong though, the left it's just as nearly useless, but at least they're not a force trying hard to hold progress back.
I know people who live in staunchly republican towns, and feel they can't talk openly about drugs, or sexual preferences. It's a cultural problem first. That's the reality of america folks.
 
the left it's just as nearly useless, but at least they're not a force trying hard to hold progress back.
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Funding for the drug war increased under Clinton's watch, and is apparently doing so again with this new jerk. The left is progressing NOTHING.
 
"Charlie Lynch, the owner of a California medical marijuana shop who faces a 40-year sentence on federal drug charges, even though local authorities told him he was in full compliance with state law."

That is utterly rediculous in every way. Surely the case would not even go to court when blind logic shows that the guy is innocent of any crime. Only in the USA would that even be a consideration, insane legal system.

The problem Obama has, regardless of if he has some slightly more intelligent views on the drug war or not, is that support of any legalisation is going to lose him a lot of public support. Legalisation would solve so many problems in such a simple way and it does seem to be gaining some credible support (the economist article was very good), so hopefully within my lifetime it will finally happen.
 
mk-ultra said:
I'm not sure which parallel universe you guys inhabit where americans are in favor of legalizing.
Polls mean nothing when it comes to these issues btw, so please save them. If we were to run one on bluelight and I'm convinced there won't be a vote against it.
America is not bluelight, it's an extremely religious country. It has freaking xtian tv. Some are even 24/7 for crying out loud. I haven't visited any other country that shows xtian tv past midnight (quite the opposite in most I've visited). So then, which is the party who has pocketed the religious institutions in America? Right wing politicians, backed by xtian nutcases who scream commie! at any argument thrown at them when they're on fox news. Just look at the total voting results, 52.9% obama vs 45.7% mccain. That's quite of an opposition considering how shitty of a president Bush turned out to be. Now of that blue majority there are still quite a few who are old & religious, and probably not that many who are pro legalizers. If you were to weigh those who are against it, and for it, legalization would lose out.
Had Obama had taken the question seriously in that town hall meeting, the right would've hung him by the balls. We would have pro drug-war rallies sponsored by fox in every state and stupid shit like that fueled by fear mongering just in the same fashion as we have with the anti-abortion, and second amendment movements. The only states who are for legalization are probably blue states, but they won't have their say unless the red states lighten up about this issue. As long as the fear mongering goes on am radio and the likes of fox we will not have any progress at all.
Don't take me wrong though, the left it's just as nearly useless, but at least they're not a force trying hard to hold progress back.
I know people who live in staunchly republican towns, and feel they can't talk openly about drugs, or sexual preferences. It's a cultural problem first. That's the reality of america folks.
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It's obvious that you are a greenlighter. There are actually a lot of people on this board against legalization of any kind (I know, it confuses the fuck out of me too). I think that the problem is that a lot of people try to paint this as a liberal/conservative issue, but there are plenty of folks on both sides of the ailse for and against it. Sooner or later, the economic and civil rights angles will win out, but we all need to do our part if we expect change. I will probably not vote for Obama again if he continues this course.
 
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