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The Big & Dandy 2C-E thread (Reorganized)

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A somewhat interesting story:

My good buddy has wanted very much to take things to the 'next level' and truly delve into world-shattering psychedelia for quite awhile now. So I offered to let him eat all the 2c-e I had left. All told, it was about ~30mg (~25 + whatever residue was on the inside of the bag) of the stuff. The two or three of us that were there at the time were all prepared to watch him completely lose touch with reality and have an experience unlike anything we've ever known.

It didn't happen. If anything, he said this experience was less intense than the last time he tried the stuff... which was at a little more than half this dose. So this leads to my question: what do you guys think this might have been the problem?

Degradation? Granted it was about a year old, but the stuff was kept airtight in the dark at room temp. I've always been led to believe that 2c's in general are quite stable. I mean I've kept LSD under the same conditions and it's never gone bunk on me. /shrug

Cross-tolerance? This guy took a pretty hefty dose (3.5 good bicycle hits) of LSD about a week prior. I didn't believe at the time that it would be a huge issue... but I'm thinking now that this was the most likely culprit.

Possibly a benzo killed it for him? He took .5mg clonazepam about an hour and a half into it to take care of some comeup anxiety. I really don't see this being the case. He popped a benzo the last time he tried 2c-e (not to even mention other trips on other substances), and it most certainly didn't kill the trip(s) for him.

Set/Setting? If anything, I'd think where we were at for this trip was far more trip-friendly than where we did it the last time. I dunno about this one.

Weird stuff.
 
FreetheSun said:
Wow man I hope you are okay 8o! These are things that should never happen to someone while he is tripping. The mom encounter was unpredictable but the girlfriend part was so unecessary, did she know you took 2c-e?
That would have terrified me while tripping, especially on something as deep as 2c-e
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Yea she did, but she had never tripped. (till recently) I don't blame her. Good news, she's not. haha

jimmyblaze1 said:
fuck felix!! that sounds awful!! that sounds a BIT like what happened to me on my 2nd 2C-E trip - which was eyeballed at about 12-14mg insufflated!! not funny - my friend called me up as I was peaking to tell me he'd been robbed of all his money & drugs at a dirty techno squat rave while he was napping for a lil while, and they waited for him to wake up so they could smack him about a bit! not cool, put me in an awful state...
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Wow, that sounds so much worse than mine. I pry would have flipped. 12-14 Insufflated?! fuckkkk.
 
2c-e experiences

I have had two experiences with this chemical so far. The first was 6mg oral and another 2 days ago at 4mg rectally. This is the first 2C-x I have tried. I didn't think my experience warranted a trip report but I felt like discussing it.

This drug definitely has an extreme body load which can make the trip pretty unpleasant for the first 2-3 hours. Even when administered rectally I experienced some intense body load for the first 1.5-2 hours. Still, it was MUCH better this way (I didn't throw up). I agree with whoever referred to the come up as shaky because my hands where shaking uncontrollably when it started to come on strong.

The body load/euphoria seems to come in alternating waves. The beginning of the experience is dominated by the peripheral side effects but it slowly gives way and euphoria begins to peek through. These moments come increasingly often while the body load lessens and the mind clears and shifts into an altered headspace. Even towards the end of the trip there where brief moments of nausea. The comedown was actually quite nice once I ingested a bit of kratom about 5 or 6 hours in.

The euphoria and stimulation is more like MDMA than LSD and other tryptamines. I even had moments of lockjaw but nothing too bad.

Even at this low dose (4mg rectal) I experienced some entertaining visuals. Still, I had to sort of coax them out and it wasn't quite as effortless as some other experiences. I can imagine a higher dose would solve the problem. The main thing that fascinated me with the visuals is that they where so much more colorful than other tryptamines although not as complex as far as patterns go. I was seeing extremely bright streaks of fluorescent color behind my eyelids amongst many other things. Pinks, Greens, Purples, colors so much more vivid and diverse than any other trip.

The visuals also seem to have way more texture and definition to them when compared to those of LSD and other tryps. Tryptamine visuals have a laser like precision and seem more mathematical in design. In contrast, 2C-E visuals seem to be made of different materials and have more diverse physical attributes. For example, I was seeing shifting metal grids that where startlingly realistic looking, they actually appeared to be reflecting "light". Other times I would see things that seemed to be made of plaster or concrete.

This was a very novel experience for me and I cannot wait to try higher doses. Next time I will go for 6mg rectally. I doubt I will ever try oral administration with this drug again because of how nauseous it made me the first time. I plan to try 2C-I soon. Hopefully that is easier on my stomach. I would like to find a 2c-x that I could take at a concert/festival. 2c-e has way too many side effects for such use. Still, the unique sensory effects make it worthwhile. Maybe that's why Shulgin called it "difficult".
 
You probably already know this, but due to the numerous tryptamine (and ergoline) comparisons in your post, I have to mention 2C-E is a phenethylamine, so naturally it's quite stimulating and vivid :P Sounds like a pretty good time, though. I get the shakes bad when coming up, too--it's more similar to an extreme shiver than fully involuntary spasms, though. Similarly, I'm often very cold when coming up (first hour and a half) as evidenced by goosebumps allover. This goes away soon after for me and all discomfort subsides for the remainder of the trip. I've never experienced a heavy body load, though I like to relax and remain still while coming up as it can be quite uncomfortable to move about, in an oddly neutral way. Glad you enjoyed RA, it's the only way to go for most phenethylamines (for me).
 
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the package i got came with a material safety data sheet that said to wash hands if it comes into contact with skin, so thats what made me wonder if you can get high from just touching it
 
Yeah, if you're going to snort the stuff straight sober just be prepared to feel liquid hot magma flooding your nose for a good 10-15 minutes.

First time I snorted 2C-E, I had already dosed with 20 mg orally about an hour previously. I snorted 15 mg and it felt like my face was going to melt off. Luckily, I was already tripping a bit from the oral dose and that helped distract me a bit.

You gotta be a real man to snort 2C-E sober as a bird. Or really desensitized from snorting way too much other stuff all the time. My nose bled a bit when I did. Fun times. Trip was absolutely amazing, however after my nose reformed itself and cooled into obsidian......
 
it actually wasn't that bad. i've felt worse thats for sure, but it wasn't as painful as i thought it would be
 
I ordered 250mg and have it coming inbound.

Plan is to mix in alcohol and use that as a measurement method.

Anybody have a solid dose that works good for someone around 215lb's? Most reports show people like around the 150 mark and I find trip reports for people my weight are slim to none.
 
No need to mix with alcohol as it's fully soluble in water. As you probably already know, though, if you lack a precise scale, liquid measurement will only be true to the original mass of the drug you have, which you have no way of verifying is truly 250 mg :/
 
Ayrios said:
No need to mix with alcohol as it's fully soluble in water. As you probably already know, though, if you lack a precise scale, liquid measurement will only be true to the original mass of the drug you have, which you have no way of verifying is truly 250 mg :/
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You'd wanna use something in alcohol or the like though if its gonna be stored for any amount of time to prevent things agrowin
 
Yeah Id rather mix with alcohol for safety reasons.

And I am aware of the need for some type of scale. We have a light mail scale that is accurate to .01 so I should be able to tell if I actually have 250mg.

From what I am aware the vendor is pretty accurate, although you really never hear of a guy putting way more than you asked.

Anyway I'd be taking it slow for my first couple doses to play it safe.
 
delsymfan said:
Yeah Id rather mix with alcohol for safety reasons.

And I am aware of the need for some type of scale. We have a light mail scale that is accurate to .01 so I should be able to tell if I actually have 250mg.

From what I am aware the vendor is pretty accurate, although you really never hear of a guy putting way more than you asked.

Anyway I'd be taking it slow for my first couple doses to play it safe.
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enjoy! :]




Does anyone know what may permit a trip from happening? My friend took the same dose as me which was enough to be a +2... borderline +3 and he said he didnt feel a thing. He has only tried the substance once before and he did have a pretty nice trip. He has done acid but never really had OEV's, just CEV's. I was wondering if there is possibly anything he did that could have lessened the effects of the drug (example, certain foods, sleep, activitys?)


Also, i have yet to get any CEV's on this. I think once I got little swirly purple things but thats it... Could some of you share your CEV's as I am a tad disappointed with not having CEV's. :( Yet, I havent taken a remarkbly high dose yet (16+ mg)
 
@ Felix...You + friends' experience sounds atypical. Even 10-12 mg produce noticeable effects, which seem to manifest themselves mostly as body load and CEV's. I would wonder about the quality of your 2ce. I'm sure that if your or friend had indulged in any other phens, benzos, or perhaps SSRI's, there could be some cross-tolerance or chemical interference but I am not aware of any particular foods or activities that would interfere with 2ce's effects.
 
adrian89987 said:
You'd wanna use something in alcohol or the like though if its gonna be stored for any amount of time to prevent things agrowin
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Totally right. I was probably caught up on the fact that putting all that 2C-E in a solution of alcohol would preclude rectal administration (for most).
 
Ayrios, my bunghole is a 1 way street so its not a big loss to me lol...

Thanks felix. Cool sounds good.

I think first time I'm gonna try about 10mg, and then next time move up to 15 based on how the previous goes. Just going to take it easy early on.

Whats it like doing a very small amount?
 
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