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The MDPV discussion thread comes to Australia !

Lame, maybe I should stay away from this stuff then. I'm not so much worried about the addictive potential, I just want a nice meth replacement that isn't so insanely unhealthy without paying the exorbitant price coke demands.

Might give it a spin anyway and just use it sparingly, but it doesn't sound like what I'm looking for.
 
Only a person who hasn't tried and endured MDPV would criticise a well put metaphor. :\

rather only those who underwent going cold turkey midway through MDPV addiction of roughly 800 mg p/d over the course of years will truly grok the warnings...

it is stronger than YOUR will, gentle reader...
 
Yeah but in what sense is redosing an issue? You can redose meth for 48 hours + before the effects start to dimnish, whereas with this stuff I'm hearing people talk about having issues with anxiety and paranoia and heart palpitations after only a couple redoses.
People are redosing too high, plain and simple. MDPV can be redosed long/often, if you know how to dose it... best way is to dissolve a bit in plain water and sniff the water up your nose.

I much prefer low, gradual, sustained dosing with MDPV to fewer, sudden, higher dosing. It's almost like a whole different drug when dosed low/often, a much better one actually.

P.S. yes MDPV can be and IS binged, often, by many.
Only a person who hasn't tried and endured MDPV would criticise a well put metaphor. :\
You're joking, right? Fwiw I was one of the early adopters of MDPV and have done everything from low doses to VERY high (OD), from sniffing to plugging to smoking to IM'ing, from single doses to week-long binges. BONG, try again :p.

I do recommend people treat MDPV with respect, and realize it's a dopamine reuptake inhibitor and therefore can be compulsive, plain and simple. If you can't take the heat, stay out of the kitchen. I'm just coming off a 1 year+ break from it myself, so contrary to popular belief it's not some evil black hole that sucks you in and never lets you go.
 
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I've had 250mg sitting around for about 6 months, I acquired it for use as a study aid. Here's a quick experience report. Method of ingestion was insufflation.




Low Doses:

Typically, during finals I use methylphenidate. I felt like trying something new because the crash is so horrible. With small doses of MDPV I experienced no euphoria, only a slight sense of speed and no crash or comedown whatsoever. Because the "sense of speed" was very slight and didn't last more than a couple hours, I assumed I didn't take enough and gave up on pulling an allnighter to study. Except I couldn't sleep. Even on a very low dose (no reup) I was up all night. Even if you think its gone, it probably isn't. Its very "clear" on low doses. There is an urge to redose... very strange considering all other effects were very mild.

Oh, one really important point is that MDPV does not give you the "one track mind" or enhanced concentration that methylphenidate does, and is therefore not as useful in studying.

Used it maybe 3 or 4 more times during that semester, for finals and papers. It never really occured to me to use it as anything more than a study aid, since I'm really no fan of stims. I've tried methamphetamine, dextroamphetamine, various appetite suppressants and I'm a cocaine and methylphenidate veteran. Opiates will always be my kryptonite, stims usually don't do it for me.




High Doses:

Last weekend... finals again. Used a bit of MDPV, studied, took the exam next morning and owned it. I felt like celebrating so I decided to give in and redose. 48hr binge ensues. Slept for 6hrs, woke up and dosed. And again.... and again.... until I just woke up. It's Wednesday evening. I finally passed out sometime around 8am Wednesday. Over the course of 4 days a 250mg baggie became just under a 100mg baggie (Note: A portion of that should be attributed the first 4-5 experiences at lower doses, however).

There is an immediate sense of euphoria. Enjoy it, because it only lasts MINUTES and it is the only period of time on this substance that you will not have the urge to redose. Very speedy. A sense of well being, and speediness, ensues... maybe until T+ 1 hour, at the most. During that phase you will get the urge to reup. Then you begin to enter the "clear" period of the high I described earlier. This is when your urge to reup will be highest. If you plan on sleeping that night, never redose... as you are still very much under the influence of MDPV... it just won't be evident until you try to sleep.

Interestingly, I never experienced a crash or comedown of ANY kind, even after consecutive 48hr binges. I was, however, able to successfully use a couple bowls of budder to pop myself out of the binge and get to sleep surprisingly quick. Very high potency marijuana, or in my case a couple hits of budder (~99% THC), seems to work very well in helping me control my urge to redose and actually puts me to sleep very quick. I prefer the budder extract because it only takes an amount the size of a pinhead, meaning I can smoke indoors without bothering the neighbours.




Conclusion:

Pros:
- Great social lubricant
- You will fuck until your genitals bleed.... literally. <3

Cons:
- At least as addictive as cocaine, with similar shortcoming of a really short period of euphoria. Not as addictive as junk, IMHO. If you have self control you will be fine.
- Temporary side effects: Binging brought with it slight paranoia and pretty bad lethargy. Also, it does strange stuff like making me jump at the sound of a dripping tap, or being startled by the sudden thought that a parked car was actually driving towards me.
- Possible permanent side effects??? My fucking tongue & teeth have minds of their own all of a sudden. 8o


So I'll definitely be keeping some around. I'm meeting up with an old fling next month, and I'm looking forward to banging her until she bleeds. =D

MDPV does deserve respect. But nanobrain is hyping it up worse than some Fox News story, as if he's some kind of drug war propagandist. At this moment, I have no urge to touch the ~100mg baggie in my freezer. I got it out of my system. If you can use cocaine, meth, and strong opiates on occasion without forming a habit.... you will be fine. Self control, guys. Take some personal responsibility for your lives.

I would really like to hear from nuke about the jaw tremor. Has it gone away or is this just one more stupid thing I'll have to live with? Sometime during the second 48hr binge, I developed the strong urge to "chew". Like some kind of cow. 8) My tongue swirls around in my mouth, licking my bottom teeth and roof of my mouth uncontrollably. I actually licked my tongue raw... I thought I would be fine when I woke up. I'm still fucking doing it! It worried me to the point that I started on some research which led me here.


Hope my experiences help someone!
 
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I can't answer your question about your jaw, but I'd really like it if you'd keep us updated on the situation, I've been toying with the idea of obtaining some of this stuff for months but I don't want to mess with it if it could have any kind of permanant side effects.

Also in general, how would you compare it to meth? Since I'm basically looking into this drug as a safer alternative to meth.
 
I can't answer your question about your jaw, but I'd really like it if you'd keep us updated on the situation, I've been toying with the idea of obtaining some of this stuff for months but I don't want to mess with it if it could have any kind of permanant side effects.

Also in general, how would you compare it to meth? Since I'm basically looking into this drug as a safer alternative to meth.

Euphoria wise, I found meth to be stronger and with the euphoria lasting slightly longer. That's why I mostly compared it with riding the white pony. If, like me, you planned on using it simply to keep yourself awake.... You get a ridiculous bang for your buck with MDPV. Even a 100mg bag could keep you awake for years on small doses (if you didn't die first ;)) compared to the crazy cost associated with methamphetamine. If you are looking at MDPV for the euphoria... I can't recommend it. Too short and too easy to end up in a bad place.

I'm keeping it around mainly for the "performance enhancing" properties, otherwise I would have given it away.

I will report back on the sides. Not planning on using stims again for about 10 days, but if it seems like MDPV has influenced my tolerance, I will post here. It's been something like 13hrs since I reupped, the jaw still feels like it's chattering... I'll post when it/IF it goes away. I keep instinctively bitting down on my tongue, to stop it... it's very annoying.


EDITED: I have a theory about why some people consider this so horribly addictive. More than likely, their bank account usually acts like their self control. I know quite a few people who only keep themselves from hitting rock bottom because they couldn't afford to eat & live if they bought any more drugs. MDPV is so cheap, you'll hurt yourself long before your wallet stops you. In that sense, MDPV might be a lesson in self control :)
 
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Good post, have you tried magnesium supplements? That may be able to help with the jaw/toungue. I personally never experienced those effects after it had worn off though, but yeah I find it perfect for studying as well if I want a change from dexi's.
 
and by this time i am certain that more than a few regular users of 'the poison' will concur w/my earlier comments in re MDPV being an anti-drug in that:

a. it obviates the desire to use other drugs
b. it greatly reduces if not completely eliminates the efficacy of other stimulants for as of yet an unknown but ongoing length of time
c. upon admin of lesser serotonergics such as MDMA, the subject, more than likely, wishes to regain the 'clarity of the PV state'

always read the fine print. dont eat yellow snow.
 
and by this time i am certain that more than a few regular users of 'the poison' will concur w/my earlier comments in re MDPV being an anti-drug in that:

a. it obviates the desire to use other drugs
b. it greatly reduces if not completely eliminates the efficacy of other stimulants for as of yet an unknown but ongoing length of time
c. upon admin of lesser serotonergics such as MDMA, the subject, more than likely, wishes to regain the 'clarity of the PV state'

always read the fine print. dont eat yellow snow.

I've yet to see anyone except yourself make any comments about it inducing immunity to other stimulants, and from what I've read about the drug I can't see any reason to believe it would.
 
and by this time i am certain that more than a few regular users of 'the poison' will concur w/my earlier comments in re MDPV being an anti-drug in that:

a. it obviates the desire to use other drugs
b. it greatly reduces if not completely eliminates the efficacy of other stimulants for as of yet an unknown but ongoing length of time
c. upon admin of lesser serotonergics such as MDMA, the subject, more than likely, wishes to regain the 'clarity of the PV state'

always read the fine print. dont eat yellow snow.

I have confirmed MDPV has not affected my tolerance to cocaine, whatsoever. I'm a chronic pot smoker, and I have not noticed any effects there either. Since you are mentioning "serotogenics" in particular, I have some cubensis laying around. I'll try to find time for an experiment and get back to you.

My jaw is fine. No more tightness. But don't take that as confirmation that permanent damage definitely will not occur. It's a really pain in the ass side...

I have no desire to go back on MDPV.
 
well, i daresay my paleolithic comprehenders, that no more than two chronic abusers known to me have the Will to Power to do much more than keep on toking, much less such things as gathering the intense energy required to post herein.

really, learn to read the words writ before attempting to underwhelm us with your demonstrated lack of erudition, to speak less of linguistic ballistics or statistical power analysis prowess.

the timeline allows room for stating certain truths which will become selfevident since in all likelyhood the local uptake predates that of the reader by oh 4 years and half a kilo.
 
Found an odd-side effect to this, which hasn't really occured before. I developed a slight myopia after a few cones. Nothing major, except I had trouble reading small text which is usually no issue. Words were very fuzzy, the same with the display on my mobile phone. This is the first time this has happened to me with this compound, although it could be due to its use in conjunction with some nice sativa, which IMO is trippy enough on its own.

Anyone else experienced this?
 
^^^yep. mmmmm nice sativa grown with love poisoned a shade paler, pack a bowl and pass it on till ya cant see the bong the night replaced by the light of dawn, spark - wshooolp, hold, khaaaaa, and so forth and on and on...
 
This shit makes meth look like a teddy bear's picnic!

QFT.





This is some interesting shit. 10mg up the nose topped off with 1,4 has made a friday afternoon so much.... clearer.


From my *limited* experience, I know I am going to have to give this to someone to hold for me. I can see psychosis hiding around the corner if I don't play it right.
 
Four thumbs up.

Things I have learned.

  • Its *very* moorish. If I didn't have to work tomorrow night, I would not stop.
  • The up is amazing. The down is proportionally bad.
  • I have a dark(er) side, that reared its ugly head on peevee.
  • Downers are going to be a necessity for a weekend on it.
  • It is not for everyone. Definitely not for the immature or uneducated.
 
Oh, and just to add to the mountain of similar reports.

Ow. Ow. Fucking Ow! The comedown is fucking awful. I feel like I smoked a gram of meth. Massive dopamine depletion.

Kids. Seriously. Fucking Ouch!


/orders l-tyrosine to help.
 
Maybe you should try reading a few trip reports on Advanced DD. This is an extremely addictive drug, and calling it the devil by someone who has first hand experience is acceptable IMO.
 
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