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A-rod admits to steroid use

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looks like another championship caliber pro baseball player has admitted to using steroids. this time, it is Alex Rodriguez, who said he took performance enhancing drugs when he signed that epic deal with the Texas Rangers. he credited his choice to being young, stupid, and a way to deal with the pressure of such an unprecedented (at that time) deal.

is this even news worthy, anymore? it seems like all MLB players have roided it up.

this just in... Madonna says that A-rod needs performance enhancing drugs of another kind!

link = http://sports.espn.go.com/espnmag/story?id=3896174
 
i certainly don't support his use of steroids, but the way it came about was some BS. he participated in some sort of survey where the responses were supposed to remain anonymous so long as they answered truthfully. in other words, he was helping the league then somebody dropped the ball and the names got out... specifically a-rod.

yes, he took performance enhancing drugs, but this is not the way to out people.
 
why wouldn't you take roids as a pro athlete...?

stupid inquisition needs to end.
 
why wouldn't you take roids as a pro athlete...?

stupid inquisition needs to end.
maybe some players take pride in the fact that they have achieved excellence without cheating.

that said, i appreciate that some people differ on whether using banned substances is cheating. certainly, to an average observer (whatever that means), knowingly using a banned substance is cheating.

alasdair
 
. he participated in some sort of survey where the responses were supposed to remain anonymous so long as they answered truthfully. in other words, he was helping the league then somebody dropped the ball and the names got out... specifically a-rod.

this is the first, and presumably only time, ive ever heard a drug test refered to as "a survey" and pissing in a cup as "a response"

;)

i couldnt care much less about baseball, and certainly the athletes who cheated are ultimately responsible for their own actions. but major leauge baseball has to shoulder a huge amount of the blame for the current situation. they didnt have a steroid policy or a testing program in place; this was bound to happen.

the only thing that even remotely agrivates me about this whole debacle is the federal resources- ie congress and the fbi, being wasted on smoking out cheaters. who gives a fuck, let baseball clean up its own mess.

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maybe some players take pride in the fact that they have achieved excellence without cheating.

that said, i appreciate that some people differ on whether using banned substances is cheating. certainly, to an average observer (whatever that means), knowingly using a banned substance is cheating.

alasdair

I don't disagree. It is cheating but if they are going to bust people on it then they need to do league wide testing and enforce the rules. He blew a piss test in 03. Why is he getting flack for it 6 years later? He should have been fired when he popped the test.

If they went through the ranks of pro sports and black listed anybody who failed a drug or steroid test then there would be few remaining athletes to play. Most sports are inundated with either recreational or performing enhancing drug use/abuse.
 
he pissed in the cup because the results were supossed to be kept under wraps, and anonymous. about 100 other pro baseball players also pissed in said cup. however, it appeared as that when the FBI was busting another doctor's place for allegedly handing out roids - this list was found.

even A-rod didn't know the results of the test. I mean, he might have known he would have pissed dirty - but they never told him.

and call me a purest, aanallein, but I believe that professional atheletes should not be using roids. I agree that they should also heavily mandate drug tests for roids. I know you take roids, but you have to at least understand that there is a considerable advantage to a slugger who is taking shots on his ass to a person who is doing without?
 
Steroids are old news, people are moving to peptides, they'll never be up to date with testing, they only catch the dumb ones. Testing doesn't work, there will always be cheats.

I would guess maybe HGH and Test-E??

I don't think HGH was tested for 6 years ago (can remember reading that the test forit was only new) and test-E is a horrible ester to pick for drug test evasion (A-Rod may have been that dumb, who knows), it has a long half-life, propionate is a much better choice and is undetectable 2-3 days after your last shot.

Also, I am unsure if the new HGH secretagogues (over 4 drugs now) and IGF-LR3 are detectable, I'd say not on the HGH secratagogues, but yes on the IGF as it's not so new now. That french swimmer Alain Bernard looked like he was on something at Beijing, he was hayooge.

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and call me a purest, aanallein, but I believe that professional atheletes should not be using roids.

Why not?

We have no idea how many gold medals and sporting events were won with drug enhancement, the real number would probably be shocking.

If they went through the ranks of pro sports and black listed anybody who failed a drug or steroid test then there would be few remaining athletes to play. Most sports are inundated with either recreational or performing enhancing drug use/abuse.
Exactly so just let them go.

Under doctors supervision it can be quite safe. Also the newer drugs (peptides) and gene doping may prove to be the safest yet. So the common argument that people sacrifice their health is an increasingly losing position, I believe.

Should we also test for natural genetic mutations (like with the myostatin gene) that an athlete may have that gives them an edge?

Where do you draw the line between a supplement and a performance enhancing drug?
 
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beamers said:
Where do you draw the line between a supplement and a performance enhancing drug?

are you saying it is hard to distinguish between steroids and creatine?! 8o
 
^No, but it is nearly impossible to distinguish at what point a supplement becomes a drug. There are many "drugs"/"supplments" that exist in a grey area and their designation as one or the other seems to be political more than scientific.
There is more to supplements than creatine. For example many American supplements are banned in my country (Australia) as everyone has a different definition of what is a drug. That's what my point is.

Also, some supplement use can bring up a false positive on a drug test.
 
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ok, kewl, thanks for clearing it up. the only supplement experience I ever had was creatine when I used to play college football. so I don't really know much about this.
 
The supplement industry has grown exponentially and there is so much out there, a lot of it is just hype, but many of the good supplements I can't even get my hands on because of where I live.
 
If there were 2 competitions, one strictly clean, the other free for all drug use, which one would hold your interest? Would you prefer the "Pure" sport, with athletes held back by a set of guidelines or the one where human physical edurance is pushed to it's extreme?

Take the 100m. Personally I want to know how fast a human body can travel. I don't give a shit how that is achieved. Physically these athletes are already superior to the average human so why not push the boundries? At what stage will the Paraolympics surpass the regular? I can't wait to see cyborg athletes who have body parts replaced with the very best science can offer. Lets be honest here, it won't be long before soldiers are "engineered" to allow them to fight without pain etc. Will these people be social out casts?

The safety issue is lame. No one cares for footballers who are crippled by arthritis. If you know the risk you will be paid hansomely for it.
 
he pissed in the cup because the results were supossed to be kept under wraps, and anonymous. about 100 other pro baseball players also pissed in said cup. however, it appeared as that when the FBI was busting another doctor's place for allegedly handing out roids - this list was found.

even A-rod didn't know the results of the test. I mean, he might have known he would have pissed dirty - but they never told him.

and call me a purest, aanallein, but I believe that professional atheletes should not be using roids. I agree that they should also heavily mandate drug tests for roids. I know you take roids, but you have to at least understand that there is a considerable advantage to a slugger who is taking shots on his ass to a person who is doing without?

I've never taken roids.

I think either sports should be heavy handed with the enforcement or pretend it isn't going on. But being wishy washy is being hypocritical but that's what the USA is all about I guess.
 
maybe some players take pride in the fact that they have achieved excellence without cheating.

that said, i appreciate that some people differ on whether using banned substances is cheating. certainly, to an average observer (whatever that means), knowingly using a banned substance is cheating.

alasdair

Speaking of which you heard Roy Oswalt?

I loved his twist on it. Talking about how he thinks people to need to recoginize how the ones who dont use it get hurt the most,via less money,job loss and effected stats as they decided not to cheat and played others who were enhanced.
 
BUG SELIG came out today and said A-rod has shamed the game.

Selig is a joke of a commissioner and needs to be replaced. HE is the disgrace to the game, not A-rod. Selig presided over this entire steroids era. Does anyone believe Selig did not know what is going on? His actions (or lack thereof) and words are sickening.

Also, let us not forget the shady manner in which Selig handled the Montreal Expos situation; and, how Selig blocked Mark Cuban (one of the best owners in sports) from purchasing the team with the longest championship droughts in sports.
 
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