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Pill maker Defends DMAA (dimethylamylamine)

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Pill maker defends product
By TOM HUNT and FAIRFAX - Nelson | Tuesday, 13 January 2009


A Nelson party pill manufacturer is standing by his product's safety as health officials call for restrictions, claiming that those who have been harmed by new-generation party pills were also taking illegal drugs.

Manufacturer and importer Dale Johnsen, who switched from making BZP-based pills to pills based on DMAA (dimethylamylamine) when BZP was outlawed in April, said the new product was selling well in Nelson but was not as popular as the old pills.

His assertion that the new drug, taken in correct doses, is safe comes after reports that four users in other areas of the country became seriously ill after taking DMAA.

Advice to the Government's expert drug committee highlights concerns about DMAA, a derivative of geranium oil that reportedly gives users an adrenalin rush.

DMAA is an ingredient in several brands of new-generation party pills that are being sold nationally without age restrictions.

Papers released under the Official Information Act show that a 45-year-old man suffered a stroke after taking DMAA in powder form, and other users have been hospitalised with severe nausea and headaches.

But Mr Johnsen said he had heard "through the grapevine" that the people who had suffered bad reactions had also been taking class A illegal drugs.

He said the new pills had a lower-strength dose than the BZP pills, which meant that while they were increasingly popular, they had failed to match the popularity of BZP pills.

He knew of no one who had become ill purely from taking DMAA.

Tim Kelly, owner of Nelson store Gizmos, said he had heard of a few people getting sore stomachs after taking too much DMAA, but this was the worst problem he knew of, and was probably a good side effect because it prevented dangerous excess.

"From what I have seen, they are pretty safe."

Nelson Addiction Service youth clinician John Glazier said no DMAA-related problems had come to his attention but there was a chance that they were still to come, as drug-related problems could take months to develop.

Nelson Marlborough District Health Board medical services district manager Lindsey Bates said people occasionally came to the Nelson Hospital emergency department as a result of party pill use, but the new-generation pills had not produced an increase in numbers.

"The safest option is no drug use."

The industry estimates that about 100,000 DMAA-based party pills have been sold since BZP was banned in April.

A Health Ministry report to the Government's expert drug committee said that while it believed some hospital admissions were due to DMAA use, there was not enough evidence to ban it.

"(But) the ministry believes the regulation of DMAA as a restricted substance would be a preferable course of action to the status quo."

Drug Foundation director Ross Bell said the effects of DMAA were still unknown, and classification would mean it could be sold with health warnings and age restrictions.

http://www.stuff.co.nz/nelsonmail/4816097a6510.html
 
Never has my body felt more toxic and fucked up as when i took four of these pills8o

Yes four is too much but holy shit! for the next 5-6 hours it was a slow death. I had burning fizzing vomit come up in little bits every 10 mins, Massive headache, sweating and felt poisoned in the purest sense.

Had to take the next day off work and i'll never touch another legal high for a long fucking time :|
 
The funny thing is an overwhelming majority of legal highs are far more dangerous than illegal highs such as MDMA. Hell I'd rather knowingly take meth than take one of these drugs.
 
I still can't believe this stuff is being put in "party pills"! I've eaten/snorted 4g of the stuff raw and a heap in the ErgoPharm AMP suppliment over 2-3 years. Seriously kids.... either try AMP (it should be much much cheaper than these party pills & contains caffeine, 1,3-DMAA and chocoamine) or buy a V or Red Bull instead. You'll be doing yourself a favour.
 
DMAA is just rubbish, even at the low price its still nearly inactive, but still caused a hangover all the next day. ewwwww yuck :( Id rather take anything else
 
DMAA hate the shit, last time I had it I had a massive headache for days.
 
I wonder if you guys getting some impure shit.
I would ask where u get it from but i think thats sourcing even if its legal or what not. But what dose's are u guy getting bad effects???
I think its cause people are using it to try to get high its not something to get high off. I recall i once paid a high price and got ripped off by some overseas place.
I mean on my stuff it said 25mg is a dose up to 100mg.
snorting it isnt nice either.

I hate to see any drug get banned. Sometimes at the time it doesn't seem so bad banning it. But then medical studies and research n stuff can't go ahead as easy.
I mean salvia banned, MDMA, LSD and even mushrooms. Like LSD studies are non-existent now days and it was the most sucessful drug even to cure alcoholics to this day.
I mean imagine if some cool DMAA analog comes along and we can't get it cause its illegal and then DMAA ends up in the street pills just like pipes did. Banning shit doesn't do us BL'ers much good i mean i can understand HR we need to be informed not reformed. I can understand making PMA legal... but MDMA like rolls said is safer than most of these semi-legals and legal chemicals.

I find every year we get more laws but never loose any. :( what does the future hold more and more laws i can promise you that.
 
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I wonder if you guys getting some impure shit.
I would ask where u get it from but i think thats sourcing even if its legal or what not. But what dose's are u guy getting bad effects???
I think its cause people are using it to try to get high its not something to get high off. I recall i once paid a high price and got ripped off by some overseas place.
I mean on my stuff it said 25mg is a dose up to 100mg.
snorting it isnt nice either.

I hate to see any drug get banned. Sometimes at the time it doesn't seem so bad banning it. But then medical studies and research n stuff can't go ahead as easy.
I mean salvia banned, MDMA, LSD and even mushrooms. Like LSD studies are non-existent now days and it was the most sucessful drug even to cure alcoholics to this day.
I mean imagine if some cool DMAA analog comes along and we can't get it cause its illegal and then DMAA ends up in the street pills just like pipes did. Banning shit doesn't do us BL'ers much good i mean i can understand HR we need to be informed not reformed. I can understand making PMA legal... but MDMA like rolls said is safer than most of these semi-legals and legal chemicals.

I find every year we get more laws but never loose any. :( what does the future hold more and more laws i can promise you that.

zero tolerance does not work for me thats for sure. if i want something it's as simple as a phone call away, delivered within 15min. No guarantee's of quality though because the zero tolerance factor pushes demand and price up in turn affecting quality as products are not available so drug makers will use other materials available at hand.

I still can't believe this stuff is being put in "party pills"! I've eaten/snorted 4g of the stuff raw and a heap in the ErgoPharm AMP suppliment over 2-3 years. Seriously kids.... either try AMP (it should be much much cheaper than these party pills & contains caffeine, 1,3-DMAA and chocoamine) or buy a V or Red Bull instead. You'll be doing yourself a favour.

getting beyond a joke isn't it....

**runs out to get 2 bottles of redbull

The funny thing is an overwhelming majority of legal highs are far more dangerous than illegal highs such as MDMA. Hell I'd rather knowingly take meth than take one of these drugs.

Agreed

Never has my body felt more toxic and fucked up as when i took four of these pills8o

Yes four is too much but holy shit! for the next 5-6 hours it was a slow death. I had burning fizzing vomit come up in little bits every 10 mins, Massive headache, sweating and felt poisoned in the purest sense.

Had to take the next day off work and i'll never touch another legal high for a long fucking time :|

8( hope you ok man...??
 
DMAA is fucking poison, I can't stress to everyone enough - do not consume!

I felt like I was dying the next day after consuming a similar London Underground party pill - sweating, headache, gastric, vomiting, hallucinating similar to weak LSD, burping up a sulphur smell. Very nasty stuff! Stick with what you know. 'Herbal' or 'Legal' is far from 'Safe'.
 
The BZP pills were pretty raw for me. Massive headache, upset stomache, made me nervous, ni euphoric effects at all.
 
I wonder if you guys getting some impure shit.
I would ask where u get it from but i think thats sourcing even if its legal or what not. But what dose's are u guy getting bad effects???
I think its cause people are using it to try to get high its not something to get high off. I recall i once paid a high price and got ripped off by some overseas place.
I mean on my stuff it said 25mg is a dose up to 100mg.
snorting it isnt nice either.

I hate to see any drug get banned. Sometimes at the time it doesn't seem so bad banning it. But then medical studies and research n stuff can't go ahead as easy.
I mean salvia banned, MDMA, LSD and even mushrooms. Like LSD studies are non-existent now days and it was the most sucessful drug even to cure alcoholics to this day.
I mean imagine if some cool DMAA analog comes along and we can't get it cause its illegal and then DMAA ends up in the street pills just like pipes did. Banning shit doesn't do us BL'ers much good i mean i can understand HR we need to be informed not reformed. I can understand making PMA legal... but MDMA like rolls said is safer than most of these semi-legals and legal chemicals.

I find every year we get more laws but never loose any. :( what does the future hold more and more laws i can promise you that.

Why do you understand making PMA legal?
Because I dont understand and im really curious.
 
Why do you understand making PMA legal?
Because I dont understand and im really curious.

I would say that has to do with just how dangerous it is. If you willingly consume a pill that you assume to be ~140mg MDMA (LOL), and it in fact turns out to be PMA, then you are in a bit of trouble.
Blood and body temperatures will skyrocket, hyperthermia, convulsions etc. The list goes on. And from what I know, it is very neurotoxic.
 
I would say that has to do with just how dangerous it is. If you willingly consume a pill that you assume to be ~140mg MDMA (LOL), and it in fact turns out to be PMA, then you are in a bit of trouble.
Blood and body temperatures will skyrocket, hyperthermia, convulsions etc. The list goes on. And from what I know, it is very neurotoxic.

That still doesn't explain why it should be legal.

It's a deadly drug that does serious harm and should stay illegal.
 
Ah yep, definitely read that wrong. I am totally for it being illegal. Yeah I am now curious as to why you would want to legalise PMA. That's baloney!
 
The big problem with PMA is the dose-response curve is very steep. There is only a very slight difference between a safe dose and a lethal dose.
Yeah its hardcore shit, Mdxx should be legal before hard shit like that is.
I was just interested in my opinion alcohol should be illigal if mdxx is and if cannibus is then everthing should be.
The Laws are so stupid here.
 
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