Opioids Avinza question

[screamer]

I'm sure it's been asked n answered many times, thing is, -I can't find it.

I was just prescribed 90mg x 2 caps once a day Avinza. I've tried a slight cook, a boil, a cold shake... What's the preferred method of getting a buzz off of these suckers. I've crushed the beads inside and swallowed in tissue paper, -nothing, tried two caps orally, -nothing. The only way I felt anything was shooting, but that's a pain in the ass. Don't get me wrong, if it's the only way, I guess I'll have to go for it. I guess what I'm looking for is the "best oral method" and "preferred preparation method for a syringe". With the shot, all I got was a rush and then it was pretty much gone. I'd like to have a method that I can use anywhere. Firin' up a shot is impossible while walking down Main St. USA.

My doc tried me on 20mg x 3 times daily of oxycontin but I told him I found no pain relief so he put me on the Avinza. I need to report back this week. Just wonderin', if I tell him that these are a waste of time too, what'll he put me on next. So far my dose is the Avinza and two 10/325 Percoset 4 x daily. My choice was between the Avinza and the Fentanyl patch. Didn't have much time to think when given the choice, so I chose the Avinza. I figured the patch was too hard to fuck with.

...screamer

 

[brutus]

Morphine has a very low oral BA, that's probably why you are not feeling much from it. Are you actually in pain or just abusing your meds? I wouldn't abuse fent because it's very easy to OD from.

 

[morphonorconic]

^Exactly. Also, the Avinza MS seems to be veiwed as generally less effective due to it's capsule form, at least compared to the other generic(tablet form) MSContin.

 

[newbie22]

I'm starting to wonder what the makers of Kadian and Avinza actually put in there. I guess it must be that the Oral BA is really low because I take 3 of them and feel a slight buzz. Then I'll take 5 hydros and be nodding, doesn't make much sense.


But again, it must be that damn BA. How can they prescribe this stuff for chronic pain if it isn't even effective taken orally?

 

[screamer]

Well last night SWIM did an experiment:

light cook --> 3 90mg Avinza via IV
took --> 3 90mg Avinza orally (not crushed, straight from bottle)
took --> 4 Lyrica 100mg orally

Fell asleep. When I woke up, I couldn't walk that well. Had very poor muscle ciontrol, VERY POOR.

Legs had to belong to someone else. Someone who really wasn't into walkin'.

This morning (5hrs sleep) all's well. but muscle control isn't 100%, say 85%. Lotsa twitches e.g. coffee winds up in lap and on floor when intented for the mouth.

If this is what SWIM has to look forward to w/ Avinza, I've gotta get something to take it's place. Suggestions Please:

 

[screamer]

Well last night SWIM did an experiment:

light cook --> 3 90mg Avinza via IV
took --> 3 90mg Avinza orally (not crushed, straight from bottle)
took --> 4 Lyrica 100mg orally

Fell asleep. When I woke up, I couldn't walk that well. Had very poor muscle ciontrol, VERY POOR.

Legs had to belong to someone else. Someone who really wasn't into walkin'.

This morning (5hrs sleep) all's well. but muscle control isn't 100%, say 85%. Lotsa twitches e.g. coffee winds up in lap and on floor when intented for the mouth.

If this is what SWIM has to look forward to w/ Avinza, I've gotta get something to take it's place. Suggestions Please:

edit sjc:

Are you actually in pain or just abusing your meds?

SWIM is in pain, but I'd like to incorperate some pleasure w/ the pain. Just make more sense to me that way.

Suggest Away:

 

[screamer]

::: screwed this edit up. please excuse

 

[PillPoppingAnimal]

take the balls out, crush them ALL, u can snort, but it WILL BURN A LOT.

i hear plugging them is the most effective way (besides intravaniously), i myself do not plug but there are plenty of threads on it.

 

[brutus]

First of all, I am not advising to IV anything, especially extended release pills. If you are hellbent on doing so, then use this method.

That makes it a hell of a lot safer to inject pills with a waxy matrix in them. I'm not very familiar with Avinza, but the method above works for pills such as MS Contin and those that gel.

 

[screamer]

I don't know what the matrix on the Avinza actually consists of, bit I do find that a quick cook separates the liquids from the solids. There are some solids that float to the top, then there is the liquid that suspends another fine powder at the bottom of the cooking utensil. If SWIM stirs the fine powder after SWIM cooks, some of the powder dissolves into the liquid. This is what SWIM injects.

It's justa real pain in the ass. SWIM was expecting something in pill form (SWIM still gets 240 percoset a month, but they don't last very long around here, especially when it takes 15 10/325 to get a slight buzz).

 

[morphonorconic]

I don't think you need to bother referring to yourself as SWIM, unless you really want to, as we all know you aren't talking about yourself.

 

[newbie22]

I don't know what the matrix on the Avinza actually consists of, bit I do find that a quick cook separates the liquids from the solids. There are some solids that float to the top, then there is the liquid that suspends another fine powder at the bottom of the cooking utensil. If SWIM stirs the fine powder after SWIM cooks, some of the powder dissolves into the liquid. This is what SWIM injects.

It's justa real pain in the ass. SWIM was expecting something in pill form (SWIM still gets 240 percoset a month, but they don't last very long around here, especially when it takes 15 10/325 to get a slight buzz).

SWIM seems sorta ungrateful, I'll take those 240 percs off his hands...make it easier on him, put some money in his pocket.

 

[screamer]

Geez, don't wanna sound un-grateful. The percs go real quick. Last script picked up on the 6th. Now I gotta wait a while till I can fill another.

 

[Medic11]

Screamer- I take the avinza 120's and I can tell you that unless you take several at once you are not going to catch a 'buzz' off them. I don't know what your tolerance is but I wouldn't suggest taking several at once unless you want to end up on the wrong end of a hefty shot of narcan being pushed by a paramedic (that is if you're lucky enough to be found before you go into respiratory arrest) because the line between catching a potent buzz and overdosing with these fuckers is mighty thin and once you cross it....well.

If you are taking them for pain I would recommend taking them as prescribed and getting a more effective med for breakthrough pain prescribed by the doc. I take 30mg oxycodone 4x daily on top of the avinza and they work great. I find that avinza's onlyredeeming quality is that it makes the oxy's work better.

I would also recommend NOT shooting them due to the talc that will get caught in the fine webs of vasculature in your eyes and lungs to name just two. You can get emphysema and all sorts of nasty complications from shooting any pill let alone something like avinza which is manufactured in such a way as to completely prevent the user from abusing them, as you are now figuring out. I have racked my brain, this website and many others trying to find a way to exploit avinza but alas...no go. It is a crying shame that these assholes take a beautiful opioid like morphine and render it virtually impotent by manufacturing it in an oral formulation that cannot be tampered with in any effective manner. I administer morphine IV at work on a routine basis to my patients and can testify to the effectiveness of morphine that is formulated to be administered by the IV route. I also have been given morphine IV for severe acute pain and yes, it is a beautiful rush.

I do know that alcohol breaks down the time release mechanism as does crushing them but with such a low oral BA it's a losing battle to try and catch a 'rush' with avinza. I have tried plugging, parachuting, snorting (don't EVER try that- burns worse than anything I have ever experienced) and nothing seems to work.

BTW, not to be a party shitter but do you really take 15 percs 10/325 at once? If so you are trashing your liver to a degree that is bordering acutely dangerous. Acetaminophen is in the top 4 causes of acute liver failure in the united states. Why do you think they put acetaminophen in percs?- to prevent people from taking 15 of them! I hope you're doing cold water extraction when you take 15 of those little bastards and if not I hope you have a healthy, strong liver because- "50% of adults develop severe liver damage at oral doses of 250mg/kg and 100% at 350mg/kg"-Drug injury By James O'Donnell, Laura Arnstein Carpenter, Gopi Doctor Ahuja

Be safe and happy nodding!

 

[ChiTown23]

uh huh

 

[imnakedrightnow]

i can get the 120's but dont do much unless i crush one all the way take that then another with the time release still intact and i have no pain at all to cope with

 

[brutus]

I don't know what your tolerance is but I wouldn't suggest taking several at once unless you want to end up on the wrong end of a hefty shot of narcan being pushed by a paramedic (that is if you're lucky enough to be found before you go into respiratory arrest) because the line between catching a potent buzz and overdosing with these fuckers is mighty thin and once you cross it....well.

Very fucking true. I was lucky enough to live after going into respiratory/cardiac arrest. Good thing the paramedics just got there a few minutes after I pretty much died.

 

[nods]

It sounds like you have a good Doc so if Oxy 20mg TID didn't maybe it was too low. maybe a higher dose and Dilaudid/MSIR for breakthrough would be fine.

I found a few 20mg MSIRs and Valium to do the trick. I was recently in Jail and befriended a guy who has been melting 12hr MS caps removing the small amount of wax and iving in the same vein for 10 years with no ill efects-they are MUCH safer than MST contins

 

[ryan6219]

The way I do it is open up the capsule and take all the little beads and put them into a spoon, put about 3CC's of water in the spoon with the beads and crush the beads up with the end up the syringe plunger. Let it sit for a min and all the particles floats to the bottom and then just suck up the liquid being carful to not get any particles in the syringe. I know its not safe but it works for me and I love it

 

[Mja204]

Hi guys, I am relatively new here. But i have been reading through this thread... and there is such an easier way to do this....
IVing any pill recently has been a little more difficult with all of the changes they have been making, specifically the binder in the Oxycontin OPs... But here is my quick way to IV the Avinza... Just did it twice. Quick, easy, flawless...

Step one: Open the caplet, and dump the beads into a folded piece of paper.... but make sure the paper is folded in half, and the two ends are folded as well so none can escape... leaving one open side to dump the beads in. After you do that, fold down the top part as well. Try to dump the beads in so that they are all close to one another and in one area in the pocket.
Step Two: Use a blunt object to crush the beads inside the paper... Doesn't have to be a fine powder, as you will see a few of the casings, easy. Unfold carefully and pour into a spoon. I like to use a metal tablespoon as it keeps away from problems such as boiling over, lost product, and sanitation by avoiding too much exposure to the air, fingers, and any other particles
Step Three: Add around 120-150 units of water, depending on how high of a flame you have... the bigger the flame you are using to heat, the more water you will need.
Step Four: Cook the mixture till boiling and boil/simmer for a good 30-45 seconds after bringing to a boil. You will still see some leftover filler particles, but don't worry about those... its just the wax.... the good stuff has been dissolved into the water
Step Five: add cotton and draw up... i like to filter it twice just to be safe... but i tried it after only filtering once and it was fine.
Step Six: Enjoy! but be careful. If you don't have a high tolerance like mine... only do half at first... i would recommend only doing half at first to everyone... because it does hit you hard... really hard. I can bang 4-5 80mg oxys a day and be fine... this is pure morphine and it feels great, its just way stronger than oc and is a slightly different high. My face got really hot on the first one i did...
Love you guys