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How many pods do you normally use at one time?

How many pods do you use in one session?

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If only there was a simple way to take a standard ornamental poppy and determine the amount of morphine in it.

Ah well, I suppose I'll have to just accept the fact that I have no idea how much morphine is actually in these poppies.

*Raises Glass* At least I know theres enough in here for me to feel it! Having poppies as my only opiate that I obtain with any regularlity is probably a good thing because it stops me from building an astronomical tolerance.
 
Daddysgone, I have to admit, that is a valid point. I don't even do pills anymore, due to PPT, and I find that tea affects me A LOT longer than ANY pills. My personal theory? Digestion. Actives are mostly locked into hard, fibrous material, and we aren't herbivores, so it takes our bodies longer to process, thus the longer action. Just a theory, nothing more.
 
Scootster said:
Daddysgone, I have to admit, that is a valid point. I don't even do pills anymore, due to PPT, and I find that tea affects me A LOT longer than ANY pills. My personal theory? Digestion. Actives are mostly locked into hard, fibrous material, and we aren't herbivores, so it takes our bodies longer to process, thus the longer action. Just a theory, nothing more.
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I've also noticed PPT's lengthy action. My theory is that the "tea" made with ground pods is actually a suspension of microscopic plant particles containing morphine and other alkaloids. As they are slowly broken down in the stomach, they release their payload - a natural MSContin, as it were.
 
daddysgone i think i agree with you, with all do respect to rachamim... I dont want to get in the middle of anyhting. is it possible that other alkaloids besides morphine could be contributing to these highs though? 20-50mgs of morphine isn't a large dose [for tolerant users] but in combination with other alkaloids... I dont know, just throwing my 2cents in.
 
I agree- I think the long duration has something to do with the other alkaloids.

I think chronic pain sufferers would do well on PPT because of the long lasting effects.

I see Scootster switched from pills to tea. Anyone else?
 
I sorta think that the cause of the long duration is also from other alkaloids. When I drink a cup on an empty stomach, I experience a pretty rapid come up that definitely plateaus around the 1:00 - 1:30 hour mark. Then I feel the effects for a long time, like 8 - 12 hours usually, then I feel normal for about 12 - 18 hours after that.

Usually then I'll start to withdrawal, thats usually 48 hours after my last dose. It seems to me like it's just eliminated slowly, but not neccesarilly absorbed slowly (unless on a full stomach I guess).
 
Spaazkaz said:
daddysgone i think i agree with you, with all do respect to rachamim... I dont want to get in the middle of anyhting. is it possible that other alkaloids besides morphine could be contributing to these highs though? 20-50mgs of morphine isn't a large dose [for tolerant users] but in combination with other alkaloids... I dont know, just throwing my 2cents in.
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In Rachamim's defense: if the morphine content in dried pods were as high as 1% or more, I'd be expecting to see quite a few people taking dirt naps from poppy tea.

I just made a batch with 20g of dried pod last night: at 1% that would have been around 200mg of oral morphine -- which might not have caused an OD but which certainly would have left me drooling on myself at the very least. And I've seen a few reports of people making tea with considerably larger quantities for their first time. Yet other than one PST death report (and, IIRC, another report of an Australian baker who ODed after a decade-long habit of several kilos of seed per day), I've not seen a lot of death or hospitalization reports. And given the hype about one suicide which may have been related to Salvia divinorum I would expect PPT deaths to be widely publicized, along with strident calls that we MUST DO SOMETHING ABOUT THIS FOR THE CHILDREN!!!!!

That being said: the impact from that cup of PPT was considerably higher than what you'd expect from 20mg of morphine, and WAY longer-lasting. I've still got pinpoint pupils this morning, 14+ hours after ingesting the dose -- which should be impossible, given morphine's half life and comparatively low bioavailability.
 
Man, I got 18 pods at my house just sitting there. What to do what to do... I really don't know what to do with them, crush them and make some tea? I don't know how much to use for a 40mg oxycodone tolerant person... what to do what to do... suggestions/help? Thank you.
 
Thank God I'm not the only one who needs that many pods!!! I need 30-35 and think I probably need to not do it for a couple of months to bring my tolerance down.
 
daddysgone said:
RACHAMIM RACHAMIM RACHAMIM

i dont know where to begin. let me first say that i have ALWAYS enjoyed your posts and almost without exception, find your posts to be informative, intelligent and accurate.
Its for this reason that I am so surprised to hear you stubbornly spouting such erroneous information about dried pods.
There are about 5 different avenues i could pursue that would cast a spotlight on how wrong you are regarding your insistence that there are such miniscule quantities of morphine in dried pods. however, there is one such thing i will discuss that should completely dispel what you are insisting.

in a former life, i, many many times, performed a complete morphine extraction on dried pods. its a long, tedious process involving much de-fatting amongst other steps. the end result is pure morphine base. when performing these extractions i would start with 1000 grams of pulverized dried pods. the pods used were quite large, averaging about 5 grams per de-seeded pod. now, as with any extraction, the yield varied from batch to batch, but the LOWEST yield i ever collected was approximately 500 mgs for the 1000 grams of powder. i have regularly had morphine yields of up to 1.3 grams for the 1000 grams of dried powder. i will also add that these extractions were done on pods from varied sources-in the event that you are thinking i ascertained some sort of uber-pods.
so as you can see, the tiny numbers you keep suggesting to not even come close to the actual amount of morphine that was extracted from these dried pods.
so there it is. i was repeatedly able to extract around 1000mg of morphine from 1kg of dried pods. by your numbers, i really shouldnt have been able to extract anything appreciable. how do you account for this?
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I'm a little confused here. 1.3 grams of morphine from 1kg of pods is a terrible yield. That would put the morphine content of the pods at .1%...one tenth of one percent. Not to mention, that was your best yield. The 500mg yield you mentioned would be .05% morphine content. I've read a paper that was published in a scientific journal that said that extractions of morphine from poppy straw typically yielded 1-2% morphine content, and some varieties went up to 5%. That is much more in line with my observations as well. Your 1000 gram extraction should have yielded you significantly more morphine. As it stands, your numbers don't really challenge what Rach is saying. I do not agree with Rach at all, but I'm just saying that your evidence doesn't really help.

What kind of extraction were you doing? Something along the line must have been very inefficient. That, or you were using some very weak pods.

Also, FWIW a member of another forum I sometimes read did a morphine base extraction on 30 medium/large pods and yielded 300mg morphine base from that.

One other observation...I used to do 3 powdered pods (a bit bigger than golf ball sized) every day. The weight of the powder from this was less than 10 grams. This went on for months. Before I started the pods, I had a very low opiate tolerance and 20mg of oxy would feel good. After a few months on the 3 pods, my tolerance was high enough that I could not feel 30mg of oxy. Now...if your numbers are correct and there is only .1% morphine content, then I was ingesting only 10mg oral morphine or less each time I dosed. Oral bioavailability of morphine is 10-20%. So I was getting 1-2mg morphine in my blood each time according to your numbers. Do you really think that 1-2mg morphine per day would make it so that I couldn't feel any effects from 30mg oxy? Even 40mg had very little effects. If I compared this 3 pod dose to orally ingested morphine sulphate (I had pills of this to compare), it felt more like 100mg oral morphine sulphate. In case you're interested, the poppies I was using were the "Arizona Purple" variety.
 
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It varies depending on pod size and with level of tolerance.

Right now using pods that are quite a bit larger than golf ball size, I need 2 or 3 to prevent symptoms of withdrawal. I usually use about 5, which gives a mood lift, increased motivation, and reduction of anxiety. I'd use 10 for a strong effect maybe 15-20 if I really want to nod.

My supplies are starting to run low, so I won't be going over 5 until I get more.
 
Ain't know fun son. Let' em up easy".
Never heard anyone biting the dust/ kicking the bucket from Pods,Mr. Sir or Madam DEA person whose job is to monitor such innocent childlike nonsense like this and rest of the internet (Hell's Angels have a website! hint, hint). You, I, or you will 'Projectile splooge" ("vomitus bolus") with headach if you drank enough, like a Gallon of "Back Drip Poddds", so strong the extra "d" stands for "'Who's yo' Deaddy"!
No, really, they have mu receptor antagonist Naloxone right there in the ER (Emergency Room). BYe. thank, Thanks. Later..

Poddds be Well Damm: Better than whippin' out my 'Choppa' & my Hommers drivin' down &' Scorin & ball'in a Big Smak Pak Attack that'sbeen 'Stepped On' to a Purity of 4 percent so weak you could use it fer jock itch just well, hvin been puddcut by Mr. Bean & Sherman the Bus driver, Mr. Helmsly, all the Sorenos' AND the Nortenos's (All Nortena's in the House just never mind) and al the Grandmamas on Florencia AND hangin up "been Up in some dude on a Greyhound from Matamoros' in hiz 'Shoe" except "shou" really means Rectal apperture". U got Black 'Tar, I got 'Brown Tar!
Pods are actually quite healthy Sir, having tannins and flavanoids that flush carcinogenic Peabodies AND fight cancer justlike in our Green & Black TeaZ now blockading entire shelves at SAFEWAY.
Und Mein Gut Got' Please! forget PCP. NO ONE does it! Just the initials scare me! I can't have PVC pipe in my house 'cause the initials sound too alike!
!.. I actually BELIEVED the 1934 movie"Reefer Madness". Is my favorite!! Sir DEA... Mr"D"?
I really am just a 14 yearold Gringo. , Sir.
 
Seems like people getting "gigantheum" pods & such are lucky, i've tried dozens of strains & it usually takes me 15 at least to get a solid relief of pain & a little calm & thoughtful insight for 10 hours. At first 30mg oral morphine got me nodding (with promethazine) now 90 only gets me nicely calm & chill so there must be alot of morphine in pods that gets countered by maybe papaverine thebaine, itchy old codeine whatever. The best part is the duration tho fo sho!
 
I use about 5-7 large pods, as much as six extra large ones, and I'll still be feeling it well into the next day. There is definitely a huge alkaloid differential between batches and I often find myself feeling generally not completely well the next day (while still under the influence of em)

And with alkaloid differential, not only does strength differ but also the quality of the high - everything from really sedating, nodded-out nights to energetic creative euphoria to over-stimulated, unable to focus and unable to sleep without ambien
 
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