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Bupe Suboxone/Buprenorphine FAQ and Megathread v.1; 2007 - 2010

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evolutionofthemind said:
Hey newbie22, I agree with a lot of what you have to say but listen to the advice on here as well. We have some good advice about keeping your habit low enough that it doesn't take over your life, etc. and my personal opinion is to do NO MORE than 4mg a day or every other day until your dealer gets back in town or whatever, then toss the suboxone. You can't really get high on it anyway, it's only a partial agonist rather than a full agonist like percs, oc, or viks would be. It's for staying well or for tapering down off opiates, not for a recreational high.
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Thx for the advice man. I agree with what y'all are saying though, this is the wrong thread for that kinda talk...my bad, newbie mistake :)

I'll be sure to take in everything everyone has said and see how it works. Thx again.

EDIT: Quick question, since it's a partial agonist, does this mean you don't get a nod? I've had insomnia all my life and I HATE the way benzos make me feel (rare I know), and opiates solve that problem the best. Will I still nod on sub?
 
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newbie22 said:
Thx for the advice man. I agree with what y'all are saying though, this is the wrong thread for that kinda talk...my bad, newbie mistake :)

I'll be sure to take in everything everyone has said and see how it works. Thx again.

EDIT: Quick question, since it's a partial agonist, does this mean you don't get a nod? I've had insomnia all my life and I HATE the way benzos make me feel (rare I know), and opiates solve that problem the best. Will I still nod on sub?
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That all depends on how much your body has accustomed itself to opiates... if you're a novice opiate user you could possibly get a nod going, but for me and most others on here it would be impossible to nod on suboxone... it's not a strong enough opiate.
 
evolutionofthemind said:
Hey newbie22, I agree with a lot of what you have to say but listen to the advice on here as well. We have some good advice about keeping your habit low enough that it doesn't take over your life, etc. and my personal opinion is to do NO MORE than 4mg a day or every other day until your dealer gets back in town or whatever, then toss the suboxone. You can't really get high on it anyway, it's only a partial agonist rather than a full agonist like percs, oc, or viks would be. It's for staying well or for tapering down off opiates, not for a recreational high.
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evolutionofthemind said:
That all depends on how much your body has accustomed itself to opiates... if you're a novice opiate user you could possibly get a nod going, but for me and most others on here it would be impossible to nod on suboxone... it's not a strong enough opiate.
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ok on that first quote above you say to do 4mg, for his lack of tolerance, 2mg is the TOTAL he should ever take, honsetly 1mg or less would be enough. he has just about no tolerance honestly. and you then said to "toss" the subs. why should he throw away that suboxone, that could come in handy in the future if he needs it, its a lifesaver for withdrawals. he def should not throw it out.

on the second quote, you said its not a strong enough opiate, and actually buprenorphine is a very potent opioid, its just a partial agonist so it doesn't give as much euphoria as other opiates.
 
chrisinabox said:
ok on that first quote above you say to do 4mg, for his lack of tolerance, 2mg is the TOTAL he should ever take, honsetly 1mg or less would be enough. he has just about no tolerance honestly. and you then said to "toss" the subs. why should he throw away that suboxone, that could come in handy in the future if he needs it, its a lifesaver for withdrawals. he def should not throw it out.

on the second quote, you said its not a strong enough opiate, and actually buprenorphine is a very potent opioid, its just a partial agonist so it doesn't give as much euphoria as other opiates.
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Well he was implying that he wanted to "feel" the suboxone, and I seriously doubt he would get what he's looking for with 1mg... if he wants to feel something off the it then take the maximum of 4mg, but definitely don't go over that. If he's using it for detox or maintainence then I definitely agree 1mg would be the most he should take. I would strongly recommend NOT using the suboxone for a recreational high in the first place though...

And that is what I was referring to about the suboxone - the euphoria part - THAT'S what causes the "nod"... which is what he was interested in.
 
I'm so confused, bup is a strong opiate but it doesn't make you nod? All it does is take away the WD? That seems like it wouldn't work for H addicts who at least like a buzz. I mean, how would subs help WD if it doesn't nod and one of the side effects of WD is insomnia? I would think you still feel a high, maybe not like oxy...but still a high. Maybe I'm just confused on what partial agonist means.
 
newbie22 said:
I'm so confused, bup is a strong opiate but it doesn't make you nod? All it does is take away the WD? That seems like it wouldn't work for H addicts who at least like a buzz. I mean, how would subs help WD if it doesn't nod and one of the side effects of WD is insomnia? I would think you still feel a high, maybe not like oxy...but still a high. Maybe I'm just confused on what partial agonist means.
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By "strong opiate" they aren't referring to the euphoric effects. It still has most of the other effects of an opiate (pain relief, etc.) so it's the perfect drug to come down off the euphoric ones because it's less likely to be abused. It works for heroin addicts who are trying to get clean, not who are trying to get high. It helps withdrawal because it fills your opiate receptors so your body doesn't go into WD; then you slowly taper yourself meticulously down until you can stop altogether. This way you don't suffer the painful withdrawals of heroin or another full-agonists (percs, oxys, viks, etc.)

I think you just need to get it out of your head that this is a drug that will get you high, and it's certainly not one you're going to go on the nod on. If you want to get high while you're on maintainence, go for methadone, but even that has a limit on what it can do for you euphorically.

Just my two cents - I'm not an expert so I'm sure someone more qualified can answer further for you or correct anything I'm mistaken on...
 
^newbie22, it fills your receptors up so you don't need opiates in your brain. for someone with your tolerance, it will be strong, and by potent, i meant it doesnt take that much quantity to feel it, it 25-40 times as potent as morphine but that doesnt mean the effects will be as strong. the majority of heroin addicts that get on suboxone dont take it for a buzz or to nod, they take it so they dont crave opiates and dont have a bad withdrawal. go to wikipedia and learn about buprenorphine. plus if you take suboxone in between hydrocodone use, when you stop and try to take your vicodin, you wont feel it that much at all unless you give yourself around 48 hours at least b/c of bupe's blocking effect. also, dont take suboxone until your in withdrawal from the hydrocodone or the bupe will kick the remaining hydrocodone off the receptors and you will go into precipitated withdrawal.

plus, with a 10-20mg tolerance to hydrocodone, your not going to have bad withdrawals AT ALL. that is a very low tolerance. i would just not take anything and see how bad it is then, and if its gets bad enough, do like 1mg of suboxone, but only if absolutely necessary!!
 
chrisinabox said:
with a 10-20mg tolerance to hydrocodone, your not going to have bad withdrawals AT ALL. that is a very low tolerance. i would just not take anything and see how bad it is then, and if its gets bad enough, do like 1mg of suboxone, but only if absolutely necessary!!
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I second that... try and stay away from suboxone if at all possible, but if you feel like you need to take something until you can get back on your regular DOC, then only take 1mg. ;)
 
Impressed

Just wanted to say after running out of MS Contin and hydros I waited 36 hours and took some suboxone because I was throwing up and felt really shitty. I took about 2mg and am really impressed, it took the cravings away and I was even on the nod! Before I had to take 120 mg of MS just to get a nod (non-IV of course, otherwise it would have been significantly less).

One question, I only have 1 and I'm just using it to hold out until I can get my hydro prescription refilled, so how long will I have to wait until I can take hydros? If the bupe half life is 36 hours (DAMN) does that mean I have to wait 72 hours to feel the hydros effects?
 
newbie22 said:
Just wanted to say after running out of MS Contin and hydros I waited 36 hours and took some suboxone because I was throwing up and felt really shitty. I took about 2mg and am really impressed, it took the cravings away and I was even on the nod! Before I had to take 120 mg of MS just to get a nod (non-IV of course, otherwise it would have been significantly less).
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Congratulations, I waited 48 hours to detox off of heroin before getting on suboxone, it was a long but well worth it wait.
 
Maan its 48 hours around now sense I last took oxy. First day wasnt bad. Had a metric ton of oxy in my system, but now the W/Ds are hitting are it sucks. Chills,shits,burps (prob turn to puke). I have my suboxone apt at 4pm today
 
I was addicted to heroin for 5 years

went down the methadone rute (mistake)

when on suboxone for 1 year now i am 6 months clean (of suboxone - everything) never been happier

i am haughted by crazy dreams there are about once every two weeks now - that i am soring heroin, i like them but now they have a horible darkside that im not attracted to - first they were about scoring and using in a possitive way - now they are about scoring and using but they have a grim side to them - almost like my brain is saying - addiction is shity remember - but after the dreams i want to use like crazy! (good i am 16 hours plane journey from my dealer)

my question is can someone explain PAWS to me? what it exatly is - how long it lasts etc etc


thank you
 
^ PAWS is Post Acute Withdrawal Syndrome, and is caused by the changes made in your brain during your addiction. Dreaming about relapsing is one of the symptoms, as is not being able to think clearly, insomnia or otherwise disturbed sleep patterns, memory problems and emotional issues.

PAWS can last quite a while, I've heard from people who say they've suffered for two years. I think for most people the problems persist for about six months.
 
suboxone 6 month point.

Hey everyone. I've been on subooxne maintenance for 6 months now. 4mg/day. I've weighed the pros and cons, and I've come to the conclusion that life on suboxone for me, is better than life on the streets. I know this is nothing permanant and all that, I'm working on recovery, attending therapy, actually got a job, made good decisions in my life, to put it back in order. All these things I'm sure wouldn't have been put in motion if I never started the suboxone at all. I was heading back down a bad path that once took me to a very very horrible place. With that said, I still have my reservations, and concerns that I voice freely about continuing suboxone maintenance. I have no problem with the people saying "I'm not really clean" because the fact is, I'm not. But, I am not where I used to be, which is all that really matters to me, because there's a bit of hope now.

One thing I'm curious about. If I were to taper off for a little while, how long would I have to abstain from suboxone to let it wear off (not to get high) but to get the dependance down, so I could go back to when I started taking suboxone this time (I had no dependance on heroin or other drugs, when I started back on suboxone this time.) When I started my maintenance 6 months ago, 1 pill could last me almost 2 days and I had good energy. I'm wondering how long I would have to stay off suboxone to get back to this point. Anyone have any ideas? I do not want to use other drugs. I just want to get my tolerance down I guess.
 
Just got back from my first suboxone apt. Was alot different then the video on the site said it would be. I went in entered my background and medical info on a tablet computer in the waiting room (was the only white person in a room of 50 of the most ghetto black people I have ever seen. The bus must of just dropped them off because I was like the only car in the lot...lol )

Went into the room, and they tried to make me watch a DVD on suboxone It started and I told them I already watched it on suboxone.com. Then the nurse asked me what I knew about it and I knew more than she did...lol. She asked me some question like the addiction questioniare on the sub site. Then I got my Vitals taken. Pulse/Oxygen amount, BP, Height/weight. After that was done I got to wait 45minutes in a cold room for the doctor.

The doctor showed up and asked me what opiates I used and dosage and how I took them. After I said I snorted mostly he checked my lungs and shit for damage. Then went to his computer and scripted 16mg a day. 4mg 4 times a day. And told me to take 8mg when I got home. I was in the room with him like 5minutes. I got a script for 30 pills and an apt for 2 weeks to go over everything and get a month script, and was told to call on monday to tell them how I felt and if my cravings were ok.

At the pharmacy it took forever to get my script filled because they were having a narcotics delivery ( I saw huge fucking tubs of like 10,000 Oxycodone pills and hydromorphone pills..lol). Took my script home and my mom being a bitch made me take 4mg now to see how I would feel and 4mg before bed. Been like 45minutes sense I took it and I feel fucking great. I was in the 3rd day of W/Ds and its amazing.

Im going to try to stay around 8mg a day because 16mg seems way too much from what Ive read here, but I wasnt going to say anything there because I didnt know how I would feel because I didnt get a dose at the office, and taking 8mg or less a day will leave me a few pills leftover to play around with other techniques without wasting my daily dose (plugging, mixing with potanators, and possibly IV)

Keep an update here because Ill do some updates and be asking a shitton of questions prob.
 
hey

could anyone wish to talk about their experience with PAWS - what it means to you, length, intensity, syptoms - does coming off suboxone give u a different 'type' or 'style' of Paws.

worst PAWS experinces.

best way to deal with it

etc etc

thank you

i think PAWS is very interesting but dont know much about it
 
Sleeping on bupe?

First day on the bupe i've taken about 20 mg overall today.. thats what was prescribed by my doctor and he gave me a time schedule. I barely slept at all last night i was jonesin real bad ... but for some reason i'm having trouble sleeping tonite also... wtf can anyone explain? Maybe cause im not heavily sedated on heroin like usual?
 
if you just started bupe recently, its prolly cause ur still in a little withdrawal. i find that the first 3-4 days after getting on bupe, it takes away about 75-80% of the withdrawal but not all of it, but after that, it gets alot better. its prolly just that. your still getting used to not being sedated and high and being sober.
 
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