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Pistachio - when did you first start taking pills? If it is in the last 3 years or so, then the overwhelming likelihood is that you have never had strong, clean MDMA pills.

You are the only person i have ever heard of who claims that they don't find MDMA euphoric. This is what leads me to beleive that, whilst you may think you have had MDMA, you actually haven't.

I've been taking MDMA for over 10 years and definitely don't find it as euphoric as I used to. Of course there's a big disclaimer that I'm on two different SRNIs so I can't objectively say whether it is due to tolerance, long term alterations to the old serotonergic system, or meds ;) I can eat a handful of strong pills now and get all of the physical effects but feel no "love" (note for the kiddies - never mix antidepressants with psychoactive substances).

For me opiates give a more euphoric experience now and nothing will make me smile as much as good old 'cid. In fact even in my "honeymoon" period with pills I still never laughed so hard as I've laughed on LSD.

As for empathy, MDMA wins hands down. I found some of the original neorganics range extremely similar and strong empathetically for the first few doses. They also gave me severe diarrhea :! Who knows what's in them now though?
 
Pistachio - when did you first start taking pills? If it is in the last 3 years or so, then the overwhelming likelihood is that you have never had strong, clean MDMA pills.

You are the only person i have ever heard of who claims that they don't find MDMA euphoric. This is what leads me to beleive that, whilst you may think you have had MDMA, you actually haven't.

My experience goes back beyond three years. This line of argument is pretty faulty anyway, you are claiming that in all of my extensive pill use I have never had a strong and clean MDMA pill, and that MDA is in fact something I have in all likelihood had, or am more likely to have had. It is also incredibly patronizing. You like to equate the variability in the effects of MDMA in me and in my friends to me not actually having any MDMA, the primary drug in pills, the most common drug in pills and usually bar the occasional meth or caffeine usually the only drug in pills. I would have to be very unlucky even if as you claim almost no pills these days had MDMA in them to eat this many and not experience an MDMA high.
 
Nice LONG rave on, but i disagree with a few of ur points, one big one being the no eye wobbles
-->rapid, involuntary eye jiggling (nystagmus) <-- under the neutral effects of mdma. E.G eye wiggles, maybe u havnt had a quality enough dose of mdma to get this effect? because it only comes with a good dosage
Pills lasting 1 hr is NOT unherd of, if its a small dose it will give u a tease rush, then drop of to nothing.
I dunno what clubs ur going to? because that culture is very much still alive where im at. maybe not so much as 8 years ago, but its still kickin in a good way.
erowids list of effects:
EFFECTS LIST #
POSITIVE
extreme mood lift
increased willingness to communicate
increase in energy (stimulation)
ego softening
feelings of comfort, belonging, and closeness to others
feelings of love and empathy
forgiveness
increased awareness & appreciation of music
increased awareness of senses. (eating, drinking, smell)
profound life-changing spiritual experiences
neurotically based fear dissolution
sensations bright and intense
urge to hug and kiss people
NEUTRAL
appetite loss
visual distortion
rapid, involuntary eye jiggling (nystagmus)
mild visual hallucinations (uncommon)
moderately increased heart rate and blood pressure (increases with dose)
restlessness, nervousness, shivering
change in body temperature regulation
upwellings of unexpected emotion, emotional lability
strong desire to do or want more when coming down
NEGATIVE
(negative side effects increase with higher doses and frequent use)

inappropriate and/or unintended emotional bonding
tendency to say things you might feel uncomfortable about later
mild to extreme jaw clenching (trisma), tongue and cheek chewing, and teeth grinding (bruxia)
difficulty concentrating & problems with activities requiring linear focus
short-term memory scramble or loss & confusion
muscle tension
erectile disfunction and difficulty reaching orgasm
increase in body temperature, hyperthermia, dehydration (drink water)
hyponatremia (don't drink too much water)
nausea and vomiting
headaches, dizziness, loss of balance, and vertigo
sadness on coming down, sense of loss or immediate nostalgia
post-trip Crash - unpleasantly harsh comedown from the peak effect
hangover the next day, lasting days to weeks
mild depression and fatigue for up to a week
severe depression and/or fatigue (uncommon)
possible strong urge to repeat the experience, though not physically addictive
possible psychological crisis requiring hospitalization (psychotic episodes, severe panic attacks, etc) (rare)
possible liver toxicity (rare)
possible neurotoxicity (controversial)
small risk of death. Approximately 2 per 100,000 users have extreme negative reactions resulting in death. (rare)
 
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MDMAhead, please don't take people on here as fools because you WILL get caught out as the fool.

There are many experianced and extremely knowledgable people who post on this site and i think you may not have taken this into account.

MDMA is definately subjective to moods, set etc. and in my oppinion (took me a long time to work out when and where i should drop) it can be just as subjective as LSD. Not in the sense that you could have a bad MDMA trip but you may not get the full effects which can be the difference between being on your ass or dancing on the floor with your mates (just as bad as a good or bad LSD trip in my opinion).

MDMA definately has a sweet spot and i find it harder and harder to hit as the years go by. In the last few years i have only dropped when my mood etc. is right, years ago i would drop to get in the mood and this has worked against me on many occasions.

May i ask how long you have been taking pills and if you have ever taken MDMA crystal?

I am not trying to get under your skin, this thread is actually the best i've seen started in a long time. Just don't go picking on what people post unless you are 100% certain you are definatively correct.

Spend a few months posting on here and get learning.

I thought i knew my shit but the more i read the more i realise i have alot to learn.
 
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I have heard that even pure "MDMA" crystal is at least 20% MDA because this simply results from the process of making it (Note: I can't say this is definitely true because I really don't know anything about making drugs, but it seems highly plausible.) And I have read allover this site that MDA also occurs in vitro when MDMA is metabolised. I therefore presume that alot of the stark distinctions people make between the two are the result of a sort of placebo effect or imaginative interpretation of their own experience (what you might call retrospective subjectivity.) Is that 'Phase Dancer' fellow still an active bluelighter? He usually has something informed and enlightning to say.
 
^ Yes Phase Dancer is very much still around.

You are right that some MDMA becomes MDA in vivo, but the distinctions between the two are a lot more then 'placebo' in my experience. MDA is less euphoric and more psychedelic, longer acting, a bit more of a kick I found and more chance for visuals.

Pistachio said:
To be honest I never found MDMA all that euphoric to begin with. Sure I was happy, but that was because I used to bounce around and talk to people and socialize. It wasn't like the "OMG the universe is beautiful and everything is love." feeling I get with LSD.

Here is what I was looking for; so you don't like how MDMA 'pushes' you into euphoria, you like the more open, psychedelic experience LSD provides? This may be a clue as to why you prefer MDA as well, I found it more psychedelic then MDMA which I don't even consider a psychedelic at all.

I love MDMA, but I must admit I love LSD even more; it opens my mind and takes me places that just aren't possible with MDMA.
 
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Fair enough Psilo - I can only speak from the experiences of myself, my friends, and sites like wikipedia. I guess it is presumptuous of me to tell absolutely everyone what effect it should have on them. I am still surprised that there is someone out there who does not find MDMA euphoric (and never has done), but hey, maybe its possible.

I have been taking pills for 8 years - mostly in London, Manchester, and more recently Melbourne.

As for my experiences with crystal/powder - they are very limited - i took it once in manchester, but it was crap (was a brown lump). I have also taken 2 types of 'MDMA cap' in melbourne, but they were also crap. I do 100% beleive you that there is good crystal in melbourne, but i cant get hold of it.

However (and i feel i should point this out): There should not be any difference between taking pills and taking crystal MDMA. Back in the day, if you were in a club and you asked for a pill, what you were asking for was an MDMA tablet, and what you got was an MDMA tablet. The fact that people think that pills should contain something else is an indication that the actual understanding of the term 'pill' is changing (goes away and cries in a corner).
 
^ For what it's worth, I was lucky enough to sample some crystal back in August and it was just like having good quality, clean pills; no difference at all.
 
Here is what I was looking for; so you don't like how MDMA 'pushes' you into euphoria, you like the more open, psychedelic experience LSD provides? This may be a clue as to why you prefer MDA as well, I found it more psychedelic then MDMA which I don't even consider a psychedelic at all.

I think we need to differentiate the different sorts of elation one experiences on different drugs. On LSD, I have had moments when I thought everything in the universe is so beautiful and so perfect that I almost cried all while grinning from the depths of my soul (lame I know). This to me is the essence of euphoria, it isn't just nice, it is life affirming. With MDMA the best moment I have had was when just the right note is played during the right song in the right setting, where my body shivered in orgasmic delight. But this sort of elation didn't project into a feeling of well being about the world around me like LSD, but merely a delightful convergence of fantastic sensations. I'm not sure what others are feeling, or if I am feeling the euphoria that others speak of on MDMA.

Don't mean to belittle the wonderful drug that is MDMA mind you.

And to be fair, some of what the OP said has some merit indeed, I don't want to seem too antagonistic. There is certainly a part played by adulterants in the variability of effects in pills, they shouldn't be keeping you awake too long after you come down for instance. Personally, I always found the sleep after pills to be a delightful experience especially in winter and especially if your not sleeping alone.
 
I don't like raves, personally. And I generally don't like ravers - The entire scene seems stifling to me, too centered around who's the best dancer, or who can eat the most pills, or who has the best phats.... but maybe it's jsut shit here in perth. I'unno, but nearly every self-confessed 'raver' I've talked to has been so painfully un-plur that it makes me cringe to see a chemical like MDMA with such potential being wasted, maligned and malapproriated on people just trying tog et as fucked up as possible. There are a number of notable exceptions, but by and large, from my point of view, raving is an elitist culture where everyone has synchronised epileptic fits and masturbates for twelve hours straight munching mouthfuls of speed, piperazines and ketamine masquerading as MDMA. This doctor is DOOF POWERED.

aaaaaanyway, back to the original topic. I so painfully often hear people complaining that they had a 'smacky pill' This shits me to tears, because they complain about it and tell people not to take it, when odds are that they've got a clean pill, and that they're just so used to dropping meth bombs that if their bikkies doesn't have them PINGING LIKE MAD ARGH ARGH ARGH GURN GURN BROWNIAN MOTION ON A UNIVERSAL SCALE KAPOWWWWW FWOOOOOSHING then they automatically assume that it's somehow a bad pill.

I mean, a bulk dose of molly should have you glued to your chair, or melting into puddles and rolling around the dancefloor like ice cream in the sun. You should be tranquil, empathic, feeling the world rush up to meet you and the sky splitting over your head as god himself reaches down to give you a back massage

Regarding actual smacky pills, I was under the impression that if you swallow scag, you tend to PUKE FUCKING BALLS for about an hour or so. And all the synthetic oral opiates, are either a) worth more per mg then MDMA, or not potent enough to get a good dose into one pill. So i can't see how it would make fiscal sense to put fentanyl or oxycodone in pills (though there was a spot of that in cali a few years back). Samewise when I hear that somebody has a 'coke based pill', as cocaine doesn't fair too well under hot acid reflux, like in say, your stomach. I've seen a lot of those test kits give 'positive' responses for cocaine, but then when you slap it into the GCMS, it turns out to be procaine or some equally inert tropane alkaloid... The only time I've actually seen coke in a pill was just because a guy had gotten his white powders mixed up when filling the press.

K-bombs obviously will give a very silly, lucid, depressant high - Which are pretty fucking sick in my opinion, but once again, I can't imagine how it would be cheaper to pump pills full of K rather then MDMA, unless they were diverting bulk shipments of vet ket... 'Cos molly is a helluva lot easier to make then spec k.

When I first got into the pill scene here in perth, I despaired openly when several people told me they were picking up a 'ten stack' for $350 or whatever... In canada and the US, I knew of the phrase 'double stack' or 'quad stack' as marketing gimmicks employed by dealers (The suggestion being that a 'double stack' was pressed twice and contians twice the MDMA, and so on and so forth...). I was about to slap my mate for paying three hundred and fifty for the one pill. later I discovered that a 'ten stack' here just means a baggie of ten pills. Cool, I guess.

Oh, and regarding MDA vs MDMA... be specific, as racemic MDA is very different to d-MDA and l-MDA... And it's no too hard to chromasep them out to tailor a specific kind of high.
 
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^ About heroin and cocaine in pills... you are spot on about their expense, especially coke, and given the bioavailability of those two drugs when taken orally you'd have to put a lot in to get effects, something that's just not cost effective.

Pistachio said:
I think we need to differentiate the different sorts of elation one experiences on different drugs. On LSD, I have had moments when I thought everything in the universe is so beautiful and so perfect that I almost cried all while grinning from the depths of my soul (lame I know). This to me is the essence of euphoria, it isn't just nice, it is life affirming. With MDMA the best moment I have had was when just the right note is played during the right song in the right setting, where my body shivered in orgasmic delight. But this sort of elation didn't project into a feeling of well being about the world around me like LSD, but merely a delightful convergence of fantastic sensations. I'm not sure what others are feeling, or if I am feeling the euphoria that others speak of on MDMA.

My experiences are similar to yours, though a bit different; I find the euphoria from LSD more rewarding and wholesome then that from MDMA since I have to 'work' for it, if you know what I mean. I can't just drop a few tabs and expect to have a great time, set and setting are very important and I have to be prepared to go on some crazy adventures to wherever Lucy wants to take me.

Whereas with MDMA, though every experience will be different, I know that it will most likely be euphoric and feel fantastic regardless of how much effort I put in.
 
Doctor War said:
K-bombs obviously will give a very silly, lucid, depressant high - Which are pretty fucking sick in my opinion, but once again, I can't imagine how it would be cheaper to pump pills full of K rather then MDMA, unless they were diverting bulk shipments of vet ket... 'Cos molly is a helluva lot easier to make then spec k.
A little bit of ketamine (say 20mg) and methamphetamine in a pill will for the first hour or so feel very similar to MDMA...I find k-bombs with solely ketamine pretty rare.
 
Mazdan - if people on pillreports are not describing their experience of a pill in literal terms, then what use is the site to me (or to anyone)? If i wanted to read a work of fiction, i would read a novel.

Sorry I havent had the time to do a more thourough read of this thread, I will as soon as i can but in the meantime........... Not everyone is going to write in the same manner.

For some communicating is something along the lines of................ Man this thizz went off, i was well munted.

While another will provide the sort of thing your looking for.

I find value in both. I certainly prefer someone to report something than not at all.

Its just different ways of communicating and its up to you to learn how to interpret the various ways of communicating...........it will also be a valuable life skill for you as well.


For example, if someone writes a pill report saying they had heroin based pills then I interpret that as being likely they are decent mdma.

I accept that not everyone is educated about the drug but I still find value in there report.



Anyways, i promise i will get arround to completing thjis read asap.
 
MDMAhead, please don't take people on here as fools because you WILL get caught out as the fool.

There are many experianced and extremely knowledgable people who post on this site and i think you may not have taken this into account.

We all need to remember that that Pill Reports is a useful tool, bad quality reports, good quality reports, let us all remember that we all had our first experiences once and quite often PR is used by newer users rather than more experienced users, they are trying to help with their reports.

A report bad or good is better than no report at all, especially if it highlights an adulterated pill or pips.

We can all digest and interperet the individuals experience to our own circumstances. Use the comments area to assist others if you have had other experiences, it's a tool guys, not a bible, and like any tools it has to be used right to be effective, but don't blame apprentices while they are learning.
 
Something interesting to note that I found (http://www.crimecommission.gov.au/content/publications/iddr_2004_05/phenethylamines.pdf page 7) is that of the people that actually get arrested and report they are under the effect of MDMA, alot of them (50% apparently) weren't.
Obviously this is from 2005, but its a bit worrying to think that only half of the pills you get actually contain MDMA.

Old news buddy

There's more crap then decent product out there these days and over half of pillreports Aus reports state MD** medium/high???

Hence this thread...

Pills are a lucky dip, main reason i stopped taking them every week and now stick to my beloved psychs, crystal MDMA or the few and far between DECENT pill.
 
Mazdan - the reason it is useless to me when someone says 'Great pill - it got me completely muntered', is that there are any number of substances that will get you 'completely muntered'. If this is all you want from a pill, then i'm sure you will be quite happy with the current Australian pill market. If, however, you specifically want to get high on MDMA, then you will be just as disappointed as me. And i have no idea how you decipher 'this pill contains heroin' to mean 'this pill contains MDMA'. Your interpretative skills must be truly remarkable (unlike mine, of course).

- When i am looking at pillreports, one of the key words i look for is 'happy', because that is the biggest indication to me that the pill contained MDMA. Alas, it is rare that you see that term used, which is not surprising given that most pills in Australia do not contain MDMA.

Wackoyoshi - if only 50% of pills contained MDMA in 2005, what do you suppose the current figure is? - 10%? 5%? 1%?


Baysieguy - I think that you (and some others) may be of the misunderstanding that i am blaming many pillreports users for their ignorance. Nothing could be further from the truth - I actually feel sorry for them that they think they know what MDMA feels like when they infact dont. It is not their fault that the current pill situation is so dire. I know they are only trying to help, but that doesn't change the fact that their reports/comments are misleading.
 
Baysieguy - I think that you (and some others) may be of the misunderstanding that i am blaming many pillreports users for their ignorance. Nothing could be further from the truth - I actually feel sorry for them that they think they know what MDMA feels like when they infact dont. It is not their fault that the current pill situation is so dire. I know they are only trying to help, but that doesn't change the fact that their reports/comments are misleading.

MDMAhead, problem with a rant is that it is often seen as aportioning blame to someone or something.

Unfortunately with the level of pills going around as well as a lot of pips (that some people like, me not being one of them, they are fucking awful things), there first experiences of "e" is when someone has sold them something crap (and the crappy Xmas NY is on us right now, where people will try crap for the first time) and they get a buzz and they think that is what "e" is meant to be like. But you are right when you get a clean (well sort of) pill, you really feel the euphoric drug, the love drug, the truth syrum at work and it's fucking amazing.

The only true way to educate the owners of reports that you dislike is to get them "real" MDMA ecstacy (support the Israli Pillgrimage might be the way), but I am afraid they are few and far between nowadays.
 
He admits he hasn't even had MDMA crystal.

Pills were adulterated 10 years ago so where's the proof that you've taken solely MDMA on any occasion?

Fuck, when i was in england the pills were shit, my mates came over here and loved our pills that i already hated...

I think this threads going down hill now and i'm about over it...

Push for legalisation of MDMA, it would be a much better use of your typing skills and time.
 
MDMAhead said:
And i have no idea how you decipher 'this pill contains heroin' to mean 'this pill contains MDMA'. Your interpretative skills must be truly remarkable (unlike mine, of course).

Probably because good quality MDMA can really knock you down sometimes, does to me... which some people who don't know much about the drug can view as meaning that the pill was cut with smack.
 
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