How many pods do you normally use at one time?

[rachamim]

Lawrence: Yeah, it is one of those things that is so obvious but we usally do not see the forest for looking at the trees as the saying goes. It is difficult to put yourself outside the experience but if you really want to gain an understanding on something you experience you have to try.

4Rachamim: Wow, talk about an ego trip (sacracsm). I am not worried. I do not engage in threads for ego, but to spread the joy, and hopefully (in other cases) do some good. Here it is is just one of those things where people really need to think because if they hold such baseless convictions on this very basic substance they will surely run into trouble on the really dangerous ones.

Anyway, I have to tell you, as I have said often as late, you need to read the entire thread. IF you do, you will find just why I did not offer a source. As for the materiel I offered, it is all real. That should NOT satisfy you though, and I hope it does not, so, instead of turning it into a pissing contenst, look into it and see what you find.

You want me to define a fact? A fact is something proved beyond a reasonable doubt, naturally. However, and this is what you should take from this, the information I have presented is not "beyond a reasonable doubt, it is 100% irrefutable. If there was room even for unreasonable doubt there would be room to bend.

"Link to a journal.": You know, you might ask people who have been here for a long time, like Mods, and such and they will tell you that when needed I DO provide the paperwork and refs, but here it is very basic subject, Botany 1010 actually and as I said, my providing something will only make people stop digging on their own.


This subject by the way has been hashed and rehashed literally countless times. If you bother to read the thread you will see where I have listed all relevant information, so that anyone could then simply use a keyowrd on Google and VERY easily then find the same facts for themselves.


"Laughter.": Right, it is called SARCASM. Those who have been here a bit know this. While your registering today does not mean that you could not have been reading threads here even ebfore I first posted, it obviously does mean that you are VERY new. You mistake humour with hubris. I suggest you take a chair , or alternatively provide actual facts that dispute what I say.

I am glad that you see fit to define "ad hom" and then engage in it on your own. FACTS. Forget me, forget my laugh, forget my vocabularly, forget my figures. YOU provide facts. Do not worry about me as a person. When I reminded people not to engage in ad hom behavior it is because it will get this thread closed forthwith, as indeed you seem about to do. You wish to piss further? Then do it. Show us data.

"Rachamim iasking for what he himslf will not provide.": I have provided for years now, as Phreex once said, "It gets old." I find people do not learn when they read a source, or the rare 3 or 4 who will actually follow a proffered hyperlink...BUT when they search on their own they actually retain what they have seen and then maybe 4 or 6 months from now 5 others will be able to tell a poster the same information.

You could search for a couple of hours? Why do that when you can cop somebody's name, my actual name by the way (nice to play games behind screenames, right?), and then try to create some sense of excitement. No offence, and I mean that, but I find it just sad. I am SURE you will not hesitate to tell us what makes you sad. Thing is, if you do not do it in data, I will have to ignore you because I cannot allow you to close a thread with this pre-pubescent nonsense.

As for your being "Satisfied in your knowledge," great. IF it were at all so, we would not be hearing from you now so please save it, ok? I mean, it is nice to waste bandwidth trying to derail threads or worse, make a name for yourself (as if THAT would ever matter here or anywhere), or just kill time but in the end this is about knowledge. IF you have it, share it, if not keep it to yourself and do not waste the Forum's time.

Not an attack on me? First, it does not really matter to me either way. I respond to each and every post directed towards me, good and bad. I take the time needed to respond to each and every point, call it a shortcoming if you will.

I have to say though, and this is where those LAUGHS come into play again:HAHAHA. You register a screename made up out of a challenge to me (4Rachamim) and then say it is not an "attack." As I said, I truly do not care but why even do it then? IF you care about the OP's subject, vote in the poll and then do what makes you happy. If it instead is about enlightening people who might be misled by my lack of knowledge or deliberate dishonesty (however you perceive it), then provide the neccessary FACTS. Otherwise, I see it as nothing BUT an attack.

A person who makes up a registration just to talk to me, fails to provide even a faint challenge to what I say, and instead simply says what Rachamim says is a"fallacy," wasted several paragraphs doing so and? Thanks, got it.

 

[RhStu]

Yeah so ..

been using pods from the same source for about 7 months daily. Switched to the pods for very real pain management after using hydromorphone and oxycodone .


I tried pods and that my friends was that!! The effect was quite astonishing and quite different over that of the pills. It came on much slower and lasted much longer and was very pleasurable. Pain relief was notably better than the dosages I used with dilaudid or oxy. Although anybody could argue to simply take more of the pills for the same effect.

Pupil constriction was the most intense I had noted to date with the pods. Very intense pin points.
At first the pod effect would almost last until the next day. Now they last about 12 hrs. Noticeable WD sets in about 18hrs after dosing now.
From the same source I have noted variance in potency from mediums to large heads and from order to order. But generally not a huge variance. Current batch of mediums is strongest I have used to date. 1/2 cup of powder will knock out anybody with no tolerance.
In fact probably a very dangerous amount for a noob.
Have once got into trouble with to many pods and breathing became a chore.

My recipe is simple. Pods, everything- seeds and stems thrown into blender until a fine powder. ALWAYS grind the entire batch for a consistent dose.
Measure out 1/2 cup. Bring about 2 cups of water to boil. Add powder and remove from heat. A little lemon juice added. Stir for a bit and let stand and cool from 20-25mins. Thin cotton cloth is used to strain and then squeezed tightly to press out all fluid.
Drink and enjoy.
I have tried saving used straw to re-rinse. Very little alkaloid remains and is not worth the effort IMO.
Have also just ingested the dried straw many times. Effects not as pleasurable and once got sick.
There is something a little odd about pods. The most remarkable is the length of onset and long duration. Tea even on a totally empty stomach first thing in the morning comes on pretty slow. If you need a big rush then pods are not for you.
Either the main active alkaloid is somehow different than pure morphine or is in a different state such as to be time released. I do not know and have yet to read a good explanation so to why pods last so much longer than the pure chemicals.

 

[cosmic charlie]

i use to use 5 large pods in each dose and used them to get off heroin about a year ago . I kicked them about 4 months and it was a really wicked withdrawl . Be careful everyone .

 

[Scootster]

In Addition

I also do not filter my tea. I use it whole, usually using strong coffee, a sip of coffee, a drink of tea, then a coffee chaser. Heavily creamed and sugared, I think the caffeine and sugar help, with the cream soothing the stomach a little. The pod material is great for keeping you regular, and you of course get everything you can from the pods!

 

[4rachamim]

Lawrence: Yeah, it is one of those things that is so obvious but we usally do not see the forest for looking at the trees as the saying goes. It is difficult to put yourself outside the experience but if you really want to gain an understanding on something you experience you have to try.

4Rachamim: Wow, talk about an ego trip (sacracsm). I am not worried. I do not engage in threads for ego, but to spread the joy, and hopefully (in other cases) do some good. Here it is is just one of those things where people really need to think because if they hold such baseless convictions on this very basic substance they will surely run into trouble on the really dangerous ones.

Anyway, I have to tell you, as I have said often as late, you need to read the entire thread. IF you do, you will find just why I did not offer a source. As for the materiel I offered, it is all real. That should NOT satisfy you though, and I hope it does not, so, instead of turning it into a pissing contenst, look into it and see what you find.

You want me to define a fact? A fact is something proved beyond a reasonable doubt, naturally. However, and this is what you should take from this, the information I have presented is not "beyond a reasonable doubt, it is 100% irrefutable. If there was room even for unreasonable doubt there would be room to bend.

"Link to a journal.": You know, you might ask people who have been here for a long time, like Mods, and such and they will tell you that when needed I DO provide the paperwork and refs, but here it is very basic subject, Botany 1010 actually and as I said, my providing something will only make people stop digging on their own.


This subject by the way has been hashed and rehashed literally countless times. If you bother to read the thread you will see where I have listed all relevant information, so that anyone could then simply use a keyowrd on Google and VERY easily then find the same facts for themselves.


"Laughter.": Right, it is called SARCASM. Those who have been here a bit know this. While your registering today does not mean that you could not have been reading threads here even ebfore I first posted, it obviously does mean that you are VERY new. You mistake humour with hubris. I suggest you take a chair , or alternatively provide actual facts that dispute what I say.

I am glad that you see fit to define "ad hom" and then engage in it on your own. FACTS. Forget me, forget my laugh, forget my vocabularly, forget my figures. YOU provide facts. Do not worry about me as a person. When I reminded people not to engage in ad hom behavior it is because it will get this thread closed forthwith, as indeed you seem about to do. You wish to piss further? Then do it. Show us data.

"Rachamim iasking for what he himslf will not provide.": I have provided for years now, as Phreex once said, "It gets old." I find people do not learn when they read a source, or the rare 3 or 4 who will actually follow a proffered hyperlink...BUT when they search on their own they actually retain what they have seen and then maybe 4 or 6 months from now 5 others will be able to tell a poster the same information.

You could search for a couple of hours? Why do that when you can cop somebody's name, my actual name by the way (nice to play games behind screenames, right?), and then try to create some sense of excitement. No offence, and I mean that, but I find it just sad. I am SURE you will not hesitate to tell us what makes you sad. Thing is, if you do not do it in data, I will have to ignore you because I cannot allow you to close a thread with this pre-pubescent nonsense.

As for your being "Satisfied in your knowledge," great. IF it were at all so, we would not be hearing from you now so please save it, ok? I mean, it is nice to waste bandwidth trying to derail threads or worse, make a name for yourself (as if THAT would ever matter here or anywhere), or just kill time but in the end this is about knowledge. IF you have it, share it, if not keep it to yourself and do not waste the Forum's time.

Not an attack on me? First, it does not really matter to me either way. I respond to each and every post directed towards me, good and bad. I take the time needed to respond to each and every point, call it a shortcoming if you will.

I have to say though, and this is where those LAUGHS come into play again:HAHAHA. You register a screename made up out of a challenge to me (4Rachamim) and then say it is not an "attack." As I said, I truly do not care but why even do it then? IF you care about the OP's subject, vote in the poll and then do what makes you happy. If it instead is about enlightening people who might be misled by my lack of knowledge or deliberate dishonesty (however you perceive it), then provide the neccessary FACTS. Otherwise, I see it as nothing BUT an attack.

A person who makes up a registration just to talk to me, fails to provide even a faint challenge to what I say, and instead simply says what Rachamim says is a"fallacy," wasted several paragraphs doing so and? Thanks, got it.

-again, littered with fallacies. i wish you the best of luck rachamim.

 

[Cane2theLeft]

^I would love to consider your disagreements with Rachamim but its kind of hard when you don't even explain them or demonstrate how he is wrong.

 

[tanfoglio]

u have to use a shitload. =waste

 

[johannes kreisler]

here we are: empirical evidence vs. experience, introspection, heuristics.
which is: philosopher/psychologist(which is me ) vs. botanist

...in all the years I've been working on all the different correlates/condensations of the human mind - academically mainly using statistics, evidence, quantification and so on - I always found out that in regard on things like: relations, beliefs, finally human being and myself - introspection, heuristics, intuition bring me closer to something people call reality or what I tend to call knowledge[the word in my native language gets it better but anyway...].





-
something I mostly push to the back of my mind: a good friend of mine and old soul died last january "during sleep", alone. the only thing officals noticed was, that he had "alcohol and opiates" in his blood and died of respiratory depression.
he has always loved drugs. but opiates were not his (main) thing. the only opiates u "easily" get where I live are H[which I am sure he did not use/could affort], some weak pharms(mainly tramadol...) - and poppy pods.
so my personal evidence is clear. I do not need any numbers - to respect something which is meant to be respected.

 

[ranunky]

I use about 15 pods each time, but i pick mine wild so they're pretty puny. I have no tolerance as I only take opiates a few times a year.

 

[Lawrence]

I use about 15 pods each time, but i pick mine wild so they're pretty puny. I have no tolerance as I only take opiates a few times a year.

Where do you pick them ??? On border of the road or in a botanic garden???


I've stole Pappaver Somni in Montreal Botanical Garden few years ago.

 

[rachamim]

Johannes: Sorry about your friend but your supposing that it was due to pods is absolutely worthless. YOU "knew" they did not do heroin? No offence but that young man who supposedly died from Seed Tea had no idea he was using anything, and then when they found a recipe in his room, the culprit became seed tea, despite the fact that seeds contain NO alkaloids much less any that could have produced readings supposedly gleaned from the recipe.

The point? Empirical evidence is all that is certain. What you THINK is not relevant, what is determined by actual non-subjective investigation , sorry to say, is. This si how we progress as humans.

You find Pod Tea to be worthwhile? Then f-ckk it, do not worry about the issue! Why would a person take offence? This to me seems to be a far more worthy avenue of philosophical debate.

Let me offer a bit of subjective analogy. I have been ab addict for about 25 years now. Back in the day, as the saying goes, NYC heroin used to be proclaimed far and wide as the best in N. America. Today addicts routinely complain that it is not half as potent as it used to be.

I am sure many reading this know of people who say this often, or maybe they themselves might even feel this to be true. The problem though, is that heroin rarely rose above 8% in NYC until 1994 and even then stayed below 17% until almost 2000! Not only do I have the technical reports and analysis to prove this, but I myself caught a case when I first came to the States in the early
90s, and I had one of the best brands out. It knocked 8%, while another brand taken at the same time had 5% and this was verified by a private third party lab we used in my case!


Today those numbers could not even hit the street, not in NYC anyway. Yet, I think anyone would be hardpressed to find an old school addict or heavy user who would claim that it was not better back then!!!

How worthy is subjective reasoning? Take the now famous experiment at John Jay College. John Jay is a school of Criminal Justice, the formost in the world, located in NYC. A professor had a new class and wanted to prove a point. AS he stood at the lectern, giving his monotonous monologue (nice alliteration!), a man rushed in, grabbed the professors bierf case and ran out as everyone screamed in shock.

The professor waited for them to settle down and then walked up to a blackboard and asked for witness accounts of what had just taken place in front of hundfeds of transfixed witnesses. He recorded all details given by the witnesses, and then especially conentrated on the physical description of the actor and the act. What do you think happened? Not one detail was the same. WE are HIGHLY subjective, it is part and parcel of the human condition.

Maybe you played this game when you were younger? Everyone sits in a circle, one person tells a simple story, and each person in turn repeats it with as many deailts correct as possible. By the time you get halfway around the circle everyone is rolling in laughter because the story has completely changed!

You take a person who wsihes to feel soemthing, give them a physical symbol of that expereinces, ask them to utilise it and then ask them to tell how they feel? You mentioned psychology? This is Psych 101!

Anyway, to allow the thread to evolve on its own rather than pounding and repounding my nail, I will bow out. To those who do hold curiosity, please actually research the issues presented. Adieu.

 

[PillPoppingAnimal]

Isn't this thread going to turn into dick sizing?

i hear wayy too much shit about "dick sizing"...who gives a fuck if someone says they canhandle 400mgs of oxycodone

i can handle 400mg of oxycodone, maybe even 402mg if u say 401mg, is that dick sizing?

just ignore that shit, gay shit like that ^

 

[Atheist.]

I use about 60 grams of dried pod, which is roughly 20 medium pods or so I think.

 

[stbizzle]

this was a good thread to start

 

[stbizzle]

Yeah so ..

been using pods from the same source for about 7 months daily. Switched to the pods for very real pain management after using hydromorphone and oxycodone .


I tried pods and that my friends was that!! The effect was quite astonishing and quite different over that of the pills. It came on much slower and lasted much longer and was very pleasurable. Pain relief was notably better than the dosages I used with dilaudid or oxy. Although anybody could argue to simply take more of the pills for the same effect.

Pupil constriction was the most intense I had noted to date with the pods. Very intense pin points.
At first the pod effect would almost last until the next day. Now they last about 12 hrs. Noticeable WD sets in about 18hrs after dosing now.
From the same source I have noted variance in potency from mediums to large heads and from order to order. But generally not a huge variance. Current batch of mediums is strongest I have used to date. 1/2 cup of powder will knock out anybody with no tolerance.
In fact probably a very dangerous amount for a noob.
Have once got into trouble with to many pods and breathing became a chore.

My recipe is simple. Pods, everything- seeds and stems thrown into blender until a fine powder. ALWAYS grind the entire batch for a consistent dose.
Measure out 1/2 cup. Bring about 2 cups of water to boil. Add powder and remove from heat. A little lemon juice added. Stir for a bit and let stand and cool from 20-25mins. Thin cotton cloth is used to strain and then squeezed tightly to press out all fluid.
Drink and enjoy.
I have tried saving used straw to re-rinse. Very little alkaloid remains and is not worth the effort IMO.
Have also just ingested the dried straw many times. Effects not as pleasurable and once got sick.
There is something a little odd about pods. The most remarkable is the length of onset and long duration. Tea even on a totally empty stomach first thing in the morning comes on pretty slow. If you need a big rush then pods are not for you.
Either the main active alkaloid is somehow different than pure morphine or is in a different state such as to be time released. I do not know and have yet to read a good explanation so to why pods last so much longer than the pure chemicals.

I've had this happen before, pretty scary especially when you tried, and your fighting it because you know if you go to sleep you might not wake up.

I've never used the seeds as well though.

 

[ArtVandalay]

^

Yeah, newbies should be careful. I've gone to bed a few times without realizing how doped up I was. Start small and wait awhile before re-dosing.

 

[BASEjumper]

Wow! This thread has grown quite a bit.

 

[jackie jones]

its fuckin huge! wait... this is about pods?

 

[OverDriven]

It seems like noone sees the "it s worthless for a heavy opiate/opioid user."


Using 30 pods is not going to change that. Everyone has this idea that pods have some kind of synergestic effect from all the alkaloids. First, there only 2 alkaloids present in anything more than less than 1% quantieis: morphine and codeine. Since codeine only has psychoactivity through its metabolic conversion to morphine, you are only talking about morphine, that is it, end of story.


In fact, since codeine has practically 0 solubility in anything warmer than room temprature (unless your room is a sauna hahaha), you are only gaining morphine from pods when you make tea.


How much morphine are you getting even from 100 pods? Anyone care to guess (of if anyone knows) the average morphine content in a technically ripe DRIED pod? I will give you a huge hint? NOT ALOT (smile).


OK, time to bust some bubbles and make more enemies. Maybe a year or 2 ago we did a thread just like this and I explained, as I will now, just how much "psychoactivity ("high") you could gain from pod tea (do not even get me started about seeds!).

To put in a way that is easily understood by most here, to get 100 mgs. or morphine, you need to use 8 THOUSAND (8,000) GRAMS of dried pod!!! Anyone wish to guess just how much a single dried pod weighs?

Then, EVEN IF you use these 8,000 grams, you would only get these 100 mgs., IF you had 100% extraction on the morphine, the only alkaloid you will be able to really extract when making tea. The average extraction rate in tea, and this is a clinical number not out of the air, is 40 to 50% net! So, using the 40 to 50% net, you then need AT LEAST 16 THOUSAND GRAMS OF DRIED POPPY PODS to get a stinking 100 mgs. of morphine!

Now, to piss people off even more, when you use tea you naturally do so by drinking it. Ergo, you are ORALLY consuming your 100 mgs. of morphine which means your body is only getting 33.33 mgs out of 16,000 GRAMS OF DRIED PODS!!!!!!!

Wonder how long it would take you to pulversise 16,000 grams of pods hahahahahahaha.


On a more serious note, to the poster who talked of boiling, etc. Boiling destroys morphine BUT if you are only talking about a very short boil with a tiny bit of materiel it is not really an issue as I see it. Better not to boil but in the end I do not think you will see a discernible difference.


To those who will be very angry because they love their pod tea, more power to you. Enjoy it all you can because IF you dare to use stronger opiates/opioids, OR alternatively use tea for an extended period of time you will gain absolutely no psychoactive benefit from it.


If people want data, the average pod, technically ripe, unscored (meaning not harvested of its opium), and totally dried will have a total morphine content of about .028% of the pod's total weight. Notice the 3 decimal places, yes? Visualise the number I am telling you. Weigh one dried pod, even use the seeds if you dare even though seeds contain no alkaloids and only cause stomach problems UNLESS they contain a residual coating of opiated dust on a few in the bunch. .028%. That is it.

Rach, you know I have talked to you in the past and I normally respect your opinion. I am 100% certain you are incorrect here though. First off, even your numbers don't add up. You say that 16000 grams of pod will get you 100 mgs of morphine, but then you go on to say the morphine content is .028 % . 16000 x .00028 (which is .028% ) is 4.48 GRAMS of morphine. 2.24 if we have an "imperfect extraction" as you claim. That's when using your very OWN NUMBERS. If you use the true numbers ( morphine content closer to 1% ) then you get much much more.

I've been using opiates for years. Heroin, morphine, oxy, methadone, etc. I know what an opiate high is. I've been using pods daily for about a year. I just quit. I used 5 medium pods. Yes...FIVE is all. They were very potent pods and definitely got me high. I was not imagining things. I had massive withdrawals afterward. The pod withdrawal tends to have more of a depressing effect on the mood than any other opiate. It also has all the classic opiate withdrawal symptoms.

I don't know what else to tell you. Your post is just as wrong as could be. It makes me seriously question your credibility to see you posting things like this here. It seems to be simply fabricated from thin air. You didn't even take the time to make the numbers line up.

 

[rachamim]

Overdriven: In my last post I said, to allow this thread to evolve, that I would no longer post in it. however, it has been put to be for a bit and I will try to limit this to a one post rebuttal.

You offer that "1% content" is the "real number.": AGAIN: you would need to read the thread in depth to make true sense of the information. 1% total conent refers to plants in Technical Ripeness, not plants that have naturally died on the stalk as relates to Commercial Pods.

Commercial Pods are grown for the Floral Industry, not psychoactive usage. Ergo, the grower does not give a damn about alkaloids, but about physical form of the plant and that conincides with the fact that this physical form, dried, is musch easier to harvest when the plant is truly dried...i.e. when it has died in the ground and is stiff.

What happens with alkaloids in the best of circumstances? Even stored in optimum conditions they DEGRADE. So, factor in degradation (all things have a standardised rate of decay). Then also factor in bioavailibility of the 50% extracted in optimum conditions (on water based extraction) which is 33% of the 50% net (to be absolutely fair to you it can be as high as 35 percent). Care to revise your estimate yet?

For the numbers to "line up" you need to complete the exercise as well know the actual numbers instead of "pulling them from air." Have you even examined the process I refer to all throuh the thread? In fact, the numbers I have given are OVERestimated. Go with actual averages of plants that are close to 5 months in the ground and tell us what you think THEN.


Believe me, while this is not the plant that I concentrated on in school it is the one I have devoted my life to in so many ways and it is something I tend to think about more than most people (way too much I think).


As for you being a "hardcore addict" who was satisfied with 5 pods, well I will not offer my opinions, just the data at this point.

AGAIN, to others, this is what I meant by "people being offended when a substance they value is called into question." It is almost universal and an interesting avenue of our human psychology. This is not to disparage you Overdriven but if you try to consider what you are saying as objectively as possible, as well as carefully examining the relevant data I would hope you would see things differently.

If not, just enjoy your Tea. IF you gain such incredible value out of 5 pods I am sure you never again need to engage in overt illegal usage of so called "heavier" opiates/opioids and as such, at the incredibly less expensive price represented by 5 pods you have a definite advantage over most of the world.

I mean think about (I admit this a bit too much of "pounding the nail") but in the Golden Triangle, et al they no longer have to even harvest opium! Simply wait until the poppies die, mow them and sell the dried pods at 5 per dosage, why engage in the manufacture of heroin (which is just a delivery vehichle for morphine)? No more precursor smuggling, no more payoffs all down the process, no more smuggling of something they look for, and no more customers doubting quality for Heaven's Sake!

In fact, I will draw up an iniative for the HR group I work with to start a Pod Maintenance Programme. There IS a reason why the substances you mentioned (morphine, oxycontin, etc) have a MUCH higher abuse liabaility.