Tell us about piperazines. (The Big 'n' Dandy Merged Piperazine Thread)

[52DSL]

Once I took a piperazine pill, on purpose, to figure out how shitty they are.

I popped two Green Gators(Suspected BZP + TMFPP and said fuck it. I started to feel it about an hour later, except I didn't feel as good as I do on MDMA. I those waves of happy like on MDMA, except only 1/3 of them were actually happy. The rest were awkward and made it so i couldn't get comfortable. I was really nauseous, but never vomited. The one thing I did like about it was the trippyness. My perspective was way off, and everything sorta changed colors and morphed in my peripheral vision. I also never really noticed a peak, I kept feeling like I was coming up, only realizing that I was up when I started coming down.However, I found the worst part to be the hangover. Not only did I still feel altered for two days after, I had the worst headache about 3 hours after the comedown. Overall, I am glad I did the experience, but I would have been pissed if I thought these were MDMA. God bless pill-reports.

I would not want to repeat this experience.

 

[coelophysis]

Yep mdma is def. a "roller-coaster" type hi. Ill be rollin balls lovin life one second and then the next moment ill get some super-anxiety.

When I take it, it rids me of any anxiety I had prior to that and I almost forget what anxiety even is while on it.

 

[Zzyzx]

A few days ago a friend offered me some Bart Simpsons wich clearly are Piperazines

I declined at first but a day or two later I tought perhaps it wouldnt be so bad to try em.. I mean, if you know for sure what youre getting it cant be that bad. Its not like expecting a mdma trip and ending up getting anything else, that feels just like when a girl stops the second before I cum lol

And after trying them i'll really know what they are about. Perhaps piperazines arent THAT bad, I didnt like 2C-B the first time because when I took it I tought it was mdma, now that I know what it is I dig it

 

[indelibleface]

I have no idea why they were ever dubbed panicogens in the first place.

fastandbulbous - heh, man, I see you throw out the "panicogen" term every time piperazines are mentioned. I've taken several of the piperazines, and I find them to be amusing little toys as far as psychedelics go, but nothing terribly special. Very un-novel, if you will - if you have access to better materials, then go for it. But, if you're looking for something to pass the time, a decent dose of mCPP mixed with a larger dose of meOPP is rather fun, at least in my experiences. They almost feel like ecstasy, and they almost feel like a hit of LSD. That's the only rub - they're basically imitations of better entheogens. But, you know, there's definitely some tactile enhancement. I have to say, again, they're quite amusing little drugs. And they never made me "panic".

 

[indelibleface]

I actually acquired pure mCPP and meOPP powder once a while back. Taking both together was actually quite fun, and I'd do it again sometime. There's something about taking the pure drug as opposed to taking it in a dirty ecstasy pill, as many of you can relate to.




EDIT: Merged both piperazine threads.

 

[MazDan]

But, you know, there's definitely some tactile enhancement.

Absolutely.

face you seem to have a good grip on these things.

Can you maybe provide a basic run down on what a piperazine is for dummies like me............and what are all those other letters up there such as mccp and tjmpcd...........lol.

Is there a particular one that creates the tactile sense?

 

[discopupils]

Is there a particular one that creates the tactile sense?

Well the white batmans I had were, at my guess, a BZP and TFMPP blend. I've had this once legally before but in a really small dose, and it felt identical. That had tactile enhancement.

 

[indelibleface]

Absolutely.

face you seem to have a good grip on these things.

Can you maybe provide a basic run down on what a piperazine is for dummies like me............and what are all those other letters up there such as mccp and tjmpcd...........lol.

Is there a particular one that creates the tactile sense?

In the same way that MDMA is based off of the amphetamine skeleton, mCPP, BZP, and other related "piperazines" are based off of the piperazine skeleton. Basically, you start with the base chemical piperazine:

...and you add random atoms and molecules to it until you get different drugs with varying effects. Many pharmaceuticals are based off of piperazine, like Viagra, or meclizine (an antihistamine).

Many of the piperazines are simply straight stimulants, akin to basic amphetamines but with not quite as much euphoria - somewhere halfway between an amphetamine and caffeine. The prototypical psychoactive piperazine is BZP, or benzylpiperazine, which is Schedule 1 in America. It's illegal for little reason, in my book, considering the fact that it's not all together pleasant like an amphetamine, and it's quite safe when used in moderation, like caffeine, although not quite as safe as caffeine.

BZP seems to have little entactogenic or psychedelic qualities - it's a straight stimulant.

TMFPP (trifluoromethylphenylpiperazine) does have some entactogenic/psychedelic qualities, although in small quantities, but with less stimulation - and combined with the stronger stimulation of BZP, you have the basis for a kind of imitation ecstasy. BZP, but especially TMFPP, seem to be agonists at several serotonin receptors in the same way that MDMA is, although much more weakly. And TMFPP seems to be mostly psychedelic in nature, less so entactogenic. pFPP (para-fluorophenylpiperazine) is reported to be more psychedelic/entactogenic than TMFPP, but again, that's not saying much, especially when you're comparing these to more well known psychedelics.

TFMPP

pFPP

The real "stars" of the dim piperazine universe seem to be mCPP (meta-chlorophenylpiperazine) and meOPP (4-methoxyphenylpiperazine). mCPP seems to be the more stimulating of the two, while meOPP seems to be somewhat stoning in nature. Both have entactogenic and psychedelic properties, and both arguably have the most out of any of the piperazines thus taken by humans. In combination, I've found the experience strikingly MDMA-like in character, at least with regards to the body high and mild tactile enhancement. It definitely falls short of a good pill of actual MDMA, but it's fun for what it is. There's a lack of feeling loved-up, and there's a bit more warping of objects and visual patterning, as with MDA. It's also not "overwhelming". Honestly, it compares mostly to a low dose of MDA (with less straight up euphoria), and the effects tend to come in waves (you'll feel great for a few minutes, then you'll feel somewhat odd but usually not unpleasant for a few minutes - at least that's my experience).

mCPP

meOPP

Most people tend to not like piperazines because there does seem to be an edge to them, somewhat analogous to the edge that caffeine or methamphetamine (moreso caffeine) has. If you tend to be less of an anxious type, and you take piperazines in reasonable doses, you should be all right. People tend to overdose with this stuff because it's both "legal" (depending on where you live), easy to obtain in most places, and well, people compare it to ecstasy, and people tend to take gobs of ecstasy without acute toxicity or ill effects. People have had seizures from going way overboard with piperazines, but most psychostimulants will do that to you in excess. People have had horrid panic attacks on these things by going over the recommended dosage. Trust me, you have to find that sweet spot between too little and too much for you. More does not equal more fun (I think that should, honestly, apply to any drug).

 

[Gerbee]

I have never had a good time on pips, actually the worst thing I have ever done IMO. I always get an upset stomach, feel like im about to come up on E and that feeling lasts for a long time, and then there is the comedown which is horrific. I feel as though I can never get comfortable, it makes my body feel like if I touched/rubbed up against something soft it would feel good but it doesn't at all, I don't feel a damn thing except discomfort, and then there are the constant temperature changes, I get too hot if I have clothes on and too cold when they are off and there's no way to find a comfortable place in between. It also lasts way too long for me, which gives me intense paranoia because I feel like I will never be right in the head again.
just my 2 cents

 

[AgentSquish]

I'm with Indelibleface in agreeing that Piperazines can be quite fun, in that you know what you are geting yourself into.

Sad to say, but 3 months ago I took 3 Green Gators(known Pipes) and had an awesome time! Was "tripping" for about 4 hours. It was so much fun, because I was in the mindset that, "hey, I know what I took was NOT E, so might as well make the best of it." After that, it was such a mild trip that I was able to expand my mind into thoughts that I never thought possible on E.

A few weeks later, I tried to mirror that experience on 2C-B, and all I got was an INCREDIBLE MINDFUCK. Plus a cracked out comedown, because I'm sure that the capsule was mixed with methamp.

Have fun folks, and know your drugs and your doses.

 

[miamiroller]

the nausea for me is bad. and not to mention i have gotten really bad palpitations as well which i never get on mdma.

 

[760rollz]

Piperazine Trip(Bunk Pills mcPP)

Okay here is what I can contribute to this thread. This is actually taken from one of my first posts on this site. Before we get into this let me give you a little bit of my roll history which brought me to this experience. I first tried MDMA somewhere around seven or eight years before this particular experience. My first few MDMA experiences were back in the days when pills were half the size that they are now, and you rolled so much harder off of one of these pills then you did off of any of these "quad" stack garbage floating around today.

So anyways, I had rolled maybe a total of four times somewhere around seven or eight years ago. Each one of these first rolls was great experiences. Then I stopped rolling. Things in my life had changed, I moved away from my roll friends, and I lost all connects. Then one day in July or so in 2007 a friend of mine started selling X. I rolled twice almost back to back at that time. It was fun but then life things happened once again and I lost contact with this friend. A year went by then out of the blue I ran into this friend again. I was stoked. He was still selling and I bought two of those bomb ass orange Buddahs that were floating around last June, July (My avatar symbol). It was at this time that I joined BlueLight. We are now in July of 2008. I shared the two Buddahs with my wife and, damn we rolled so well! It was her first roll, and I guess that would put me at about approximately my 7th roll. Up until this roll every pill that I had taken had been good solid MDMA pills. However after this Buddha pill all this would change.

My wife and I enjoyed rolling off these Buddha so much that we wanted to roll together again so bad. We made the call to the guy we picked up the Buddha from and made arrangements to score five more pills. The connect said that he had a new batch of pills now. I asked him what he had on base. He told me that he had some dank ass green alligators on deck. He told me that they were bomb ass quad stacked pills. I had no idea that this meant nothing. I picked up five of these Green Alligators and took them home to roll with my wife.

On the night of the roll everything was well planed and I couldn't wait to experience the high that my wife and I had experienced together the night we dropped the orange Buddha. I had never even heard of piperazines before this night, and I still would not learn about piperazines till a subsequent future roll night in which I again was unfortunate enough to be sold piperazine pills as MDMA pills. So as I said I had no idea of what a piperazine was, and was totally under the impression that I was consuming quality X pills. What follows if a detailed trip report from that night. I thought for sure that I had scored pills that were MDxx pills cut with something like ketamine or DXM. It wasn't until sometime latter that I realized that this was my first piperazine trip. Thanks to the BlueLight community, and all that I have learned here I now know that this is a piperazine trip. I am digging this old thread up and using it here so others can see what a piperazine trip feels like as compared to MDMA when you think you are consuming MDxx. Everything that you find in parentheses is things that I have added, edited, or changed for this piperazine thread in an effort to make things more clear for the readers.

(Here we go into the depths of piperazines)
Now I know that no one can say for sure if a pill was cut or not without lab testing it, but its my hope that someone will be able to tell me if I was just really high on mdma or if I was feeling the effects of some cut in the last pills I did. I bought a total of five pills. I snorted half a pill and swallowed one and a half for a total of two. The time was 9:45PM. Within five minutes I felt subtle from snorting half a pill. (The burn was insane. Nothing like the burn of snorting a real mdma pill. I have since found out the snorting mcPP gives an insane burn. I found a post somewhere on BlueLight in which a member had also snorted mcPP thinking it was X and they also said the burn was insane) I felt minor jaw clenching, and slight eye wiggles. I also felt the tingles. Another thing I felt was very laid back and relaxed, very lazy.
It wasn't until around 10:30PM when I started to feel speedy. My wife and I began talking like tweakers. At this point we both noticed some effects which resembled an mdma high, but the feelings of speeding and then falling into a lazy stupor were much more present than that of e. We both slide a little deeper into the mdma part of the pills. We started to feel like we were rolling but the previously mentioned side effects were still more pronounced than the roll. (To the inexperienced, piperazines can feel very similar to MDMA in low doses.)

The time was now 11:00PM. We decided to pop the last of our two pills. Right around taken the other pills I began to notice the tingling sensation had developed into a much more numbing feeling. I noticed that my face felt numb. My extremities also had numbness to them.
At some point after taking my third pull I began to feel sick. Waves of sickness would hit me followed by a numbness of my entire body. (I was feeling the sickness that is very common from piperazines. It is a horrible sickness that is much worse than any sickness common from an MDMA come up.)
I started to slip into a trance like state. I began to get hit with waves of sickness. Each wave of sickness started to become a precursor to strange deranged trance like world that I would slip in and out of several times though out the night. (This trance state had strong visuals) As time went on (god only knows how much time) the trances grew deeper and deeper each time they'd hit me. When I would go tranced I noticed that I would also feel the most insane feeling (That at the time I was confusing as being “Floored”). It was almost overwhelming.
After entering this trance state a many number of times my wife asked me if I was okay. I told her that I believed so. She said I kept getting a blank unfocused look, my jaw would noticeably clench, my pupils would dilate so much that all the color in would be gone, then my eyes would roll back and I would be gone for a couple of minutes. She told me that it looked like I was resisting this state and said I should just let go. I did. I let go and I went into a whole new universe. There were psychedelic colors to this universe. My mind or even soul seemed to drift away from my body. I would go in and put of these trances for some time and when ever I would come back I would feel numb and tingly.

Once I felt like these trances were starting to fade away and I was coming back to reality I could hold a conversation with my wife again. The time was 3:30am. I was still high as fuck, but the trances were done. It was like nothing I've ever felt before. It was scary yet thrilling all at the same time. After the peak we were both still high till around 8:00am. Looking back we both feel there was some point in time where we both of us felt as though we weren't going to roll from the pills, taking the other pills, and being out of our heads looped.
(This high lasted all night long. The next day I still had dilated pupils. During the “trance” like delirious state that I was experiencing I would have intense visuals, and my body temperature would rise to an uncomfortable overheated feeling. I was sweating profusely and I felt the worse sickness ever. I was high out of my mind and at points the high was remotely similar to the true MDMA highs I had experienced in the past. I thought I was high on X. It is all too apparent that they inexperienced are confusing this high with MDxx because in smaller doses a piperazine has some of the same effects, both physically and mentally as MDMA. But in higher doses a piperazine becomes very uncomfortable. It will cause sickness and hallucinations. It becomes a very nasty high in even higher doses. Please remember that when I originally wrote that report I thought that I had rolled balls and that was what being thizzed up was like. I had a few more piperazine experiences before I figured out the differences between piperazines and MDMA. At the time I was going on both this site and pillreports.com and labeling the piperazine pills that I was unknowingly taking as a “low MDxx pill.” It wasn’t until I was schooled by the veteran thizzers on this site that I learned the difference in the two chemicals. Looking back on it now, I can see that the highs are similar in a few ways but are actually nothing the same. [If that makes any since] Now I test my pills before I even buy them let alone ingest them. )


Hope this works,

Rollz

 

[CbRoXiDe]

People need to stop buying all these bunk pills, but unfortunately with all the un-educated kids munching them, it's never going to get better. I bet half the newer "ecstacy" users have never even experienced real MDMA...

 

[Bomboclat]

Would you agree that paranoia is a common side effect?

most definitely!

i get extremely paranoid when i use any piperazine

which is why i hate them and those who think they can make a quick buck by trying to pass off piperazines as E

 

[DOB]

Fuck piperazines!!! It is little bit tripy but nothing very interesting,visuals are boring.Jaw cleanching is there too.Absolutly no euphoria,good chocolate is much more euphoric than this shit.Incredibely boring.Even one small hit from shity weed is much more enjoyable than this.It kills every emotions in very tripy way.Sound enhancment is good but without emotions music is pointless.
There are many amphetamine like side effect,but it dont make you dance.Something like "Wow my heart beats really fast!" while i am sitting and doing absolutely nothing.It fucks your temperature control,you get cold fast.That is very bad if you live in cold country.It all feels like 45 minutes after decent mdma dose but it wont get anywhere,very disphoric in my opinion.
It taste like shit,it is just cheap,shitty,boring imitation of low dose speed + lsd combo.

 

[indelibleface]

It pains me to think about how many piperazines there are out there masquerading as real E.

When I first started munching, piperazines were unheard of, especially in California.
And this was only 2003. Time flies like a motherfucker.

 

[FlippingTop]

Is it true that these are now Class A in the UK :O

Personally I don't mind them too much, and have a few pills lying around. I just assumed they were still class C so i havn't been being very careful with them.

Hmm...

 

[The_Idler]

i feel so lucky to have only ever had good molly connects...

Only time i tried pipz was when i bought some legal pills from Camden high street when i was 14 or so.... was fun, but then i'd had nothing to compare the experience to.

i didnt get any of these "bad" effects, but i wouldnt bother with them again and it must SUCK to be sold them posing as MDMA pills....

 

[Jester-Race]

It pains me to think about how many piperazines there are out there masquerading as real E.

When I first started munching, piperazines were unheard of, especially in California.
And this was only 2003. Time flies like a motherfucker.

So fucking true, and it pisses me off to no end to see something as amazing as MDMA being sold as fucking piperazine garbage.

Ugh.

 

[meladori]

i took some friday night as soon as i came up i thought ah fuck no

haven't slept or eaten since then. still haven't come around properly am only now well enough to sit up for a length of time (sunday 9pm)

i hate them!