Benzos Alprazolam vs Valium vs Clonazepam

[gethigh]

I never knew it was that long...fuck

its longer than that too actually it metabolizes into nordiazepam hl 80-200hrs and temazepam 14-20hrs and temazepam metabolize into oxazepam which half life is 4-14 hours and then that metabolizes into nordiazepam which half life is 80-200 hrs i believe that is the correct order but i know those are the three metabolites. ill look up more hope that helps it doesn't have order of metabolism nemore

 

[Mysterious]

Valium works wonders for my GAD/SAD. It also gives me a mild euphoria at higher than normal levels. Xanax makes me a bit tired, but is perfect for those who have panic attacks. Mostly I use it after I pull an all nighter on adderall to finish a paper and I am ready to sleep or if I am at a festival and tripping and would like to sleep. Klonopin seems to work similar to Valium, but doesnt really provide a euphoria, even at higher doses.

 

[mcochs]

Is 2 mg. of Ativan a day a strong dose? I divide it in 3 doses during the day.Klonopin doesn't seem to do anything but make me tired,there's still anxiety right there beneath the surface.
Ativan helps,not sure I'm taking enough though.

 

[clonazepom]

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xanor to eliminate any anxiety with depression, Calms nicely and puts to sleep in right dose. Too abuseable I'd say.

Valium did nothing to me made anxiety worse.. and Im not speaking of low doses.

Clonazepam's been my favourite since it helps with anxiety and stuff and does not make me abuse it like xanax. Addiction isnt that bad as xanax has I think. People have their own opinions about this Im sure.

Why the hell diazepam only does not elimiate anxiety and panic but maybe increase? I dont get it. Could this be because my xanax tolerance was way over the limits for too long and that increases valium tolerance for me? So have I read.

 

[johanneschimpo]

Could this be because my xanax tolerance was way over the limits for too long and that increases valium tolerance for me?

Yes. Benzos are cross-tolerant. If you get yourself a huge tolerance to xanax, say needing 10mg to cure your anxiety, when you try to take valium, or any other benzo, its going to take much more (about an equipotent amount) to achieve the same effects. It goes this this way from any benzo to another one.

 

[clonazepom]

Yes. Benzos are cross-tolerant. If you get yourself a huge tolerance to xanax, say needing 10mg to cure your anxiety, when you try to take valium, or any other benzo, its going to take much more (about an equipotent amount) to achieve the same effects. It goes this this way from any benzo to another one.

Ok something I kinda knew already.. clonazepam works wonders still even after xanax abuse. Not as great as with 0 tolerance but you know what I mean?

 

[oppielife688]

I vote clonazepam....because it tastes minty fresh as opposed to chalk and...idk how to describe the bitter horror that is alprazolam.

 

[RichardScarry]

Finding the medication that works best is always tough. So people with mild/moderate, a slow acting anti-anxiety medication tends to work best with less side effects and easier to slop off of it.

High/Extreme anxiety in a specific situation, strong meds that act quickly. Xanax hits hard, but is short. Klonopin is longer , and as strong, just a slower to allow for that ability to last longer.

For recreation use, the quicker it absorbs the more 'high' you'll feel. But is extremely dangerous if you have a legit anxiety disorder and also take your meds recreationally. The quicker the absorbtion, the quicker one will become tolerate and require higher and higher dosage. Then it comes to a point that many can't stop cold turkey.

Personal experience, I took Xanax 1mg x5-7 times a day (was suppose to take 3) for treatment of social phobia. When I ran out, I obviously couldn't tell the doctor and I decided to just wait it out the 2 weeks knowing I'd get some with draws. But I had a seizure 2 days after the last dosage taken.

 

[Kosh75287]

ONE clinician I asked about this said that he uses Xanax in combination with SSRIs for anxious depression because in addition to its anxiolytic properties, the xanax seems to have a mild and synergistic antidepressant effect. He says he uses valium mainly for somatic complaints, like muscle relaxation, or as an adjunct to firstline antiepileptics to combat the various forms of epiliepsy. He commented that in depressed patients, diazepam seemed to worsen the depression more often than not, but didn't correct mania, that he could discern. He said that Clonazepam is reserved when the first two don't seem to give results, and for anxiety in patients exhibiting bipolar features. While the clonazepam by itself doesn't seem to do much for mania, its use in conjunction with antimanic and anticonvulsant drugs seem to have synergistic effects.
Clonazepam appears to be the only U.S. marketed benzo that inhibits glutamate decorboxylase, though the signifigance of that is lost on me. Clonazepam's long half-life seems to stem more from its being readily distributed into tissues, rather than being successively metabolized into one active metabolite after another (a la diazepam).
I hope you find this information of help.

 

[chrisinabox]

i like clonazepam the best, it is nice and subtle and isn't too overpowering to where i just wanna go to sleep

 

[deXo]

I have no tolerance nor physical dependence with any of the benzodiazepines. I weigh about 60kg and I'm a male. How much nitrazepam do I need to create the effects of 1mg of flunitrazepam? And how much for 2mg of flunitrazepam? Please answer both questions; you would think you could just multiply the answer to the first question by two, but I'm not at all sure about the potency/weight/strength system, that's why I'm asking.

 

[kokaino]

I have no tolerance nor physical dependence with any of the benzodiazepines. I weigh about 60kg and I'm a male. How much nitrazepam do I need to create the effects of 1mg of flunitrazepam? And how much for 2mg of flunitrazepam? Please answer both questions; you would think you could just multiply the answer to the first question by two, but I'm not at all sure about the potency/weight/strength system, that's why I'm asking.

10 mg nitrazepam = 1 mg flunitrazepam (which means 20 mg nitrazepam = 2 mg flunitrazepam).

my usual dose of nitrazepam is 50 mg and i will tell u, it is a benzo that will floor u nice and hard even with a tolerance.

i've had experience with both nitraz and flunitraz, and in all my experiences i've found nitrazepam to be slightly stronger in its effects.
I would place nitrazepam somewhere between diazepam and triazolam on the "strength scale" (much stronger than diazepam, but still weaker than triazolam).

i'd compare nitrazepam most to temazepam, but with a longer half-life.

 

[tylerwashere]

If I was to pick between the three a month ago I would have said Alprazalom all the way, but since i've been prescribed Clonazepam my views are totally different. It's a little more milder than Xanax and it last more that twice as long. My new favorite benzo for sure.

 

[deXo]

Thank you both for your extremely fast and helpful answers.

When a high and a good and long sleep are the primary goals, should you then be looking at the hypnotics of the benzoes? I asked my doctor for Clonazepam a few months ago (like you tylerwashere I thought it to be extreme) and he gave me about 6 rivotril (each 0.5 mg). I took between 2 and 4 (probably the latter in the end), but I felt nothing. Is this due to Clonazepam's being an anxiolytic instead of a hypnotic? I took them because I was going through opiod withdrawal (I took Subutex too soon, appearently my withdrawals weren't bad enough). I realize 2mg isn't much at all, but you should be able to feel SOMETHING, shouldn't you?

But to sum up: should I ask my doctor for nitrazepam, triazolam, or alprazolam? Clonazepam is not an option, unless you can give me some sort of estimate on how much of it I need to take to achieve a high/long sleep.

I included nitrazepam because you kokaino said it would floor me nice, and Alprazolam because it sounds like it is the second best benzo next to Clonazepam according to you tylerwashere. Xanax also intrigues me, but my focus is also on how long lasting it is.

 

[kokaino]

Thank you both for your extremely fast and helpful answers.

When a high and a good and long sleep are the primary goals, should you then be looking at the hypnotics of the benzoes? I asked my doctor for Clonazepam a few months ago (like you tylerwashere I thought it to be extreme) and he gave me about 6 rivotril (each 0.5 mg). I took between 2 and 4 (probably the latter in the end), but I felt nothing. Is this due to Clonazepam's being an anti-anxiolytic instead of a hypnotic? I took them because I was going through opiod withdrawal (I took Subutex too soon, appearently my withdrawals weren't bad enough). I realize 2mg isn't much at all, but you should be able to feel SOMETHING, shouldn't you?

But to summon up: should I ask my doctor for nitrazepam, triazolam, or alprazolam? Clonazepam is not an option, unless you can give me some sort of estimate on how much of it I need to take to achieve a high/long sleep.

I included nitrazepam because you kokaino said it would floor me nice, and Alprazolam because it sounds like it is the second best benzo next to Clonazepam according to you tylerwashere. Xanax also intrigues me, but my focus is also on how long lasting it is.

Xanax is much like clonazepam in that it is primarily an anxiolytic and it definitely does not pack the punch of stronger hypnotics.

u want a long acting hypnotic u said...so triazolam is out of the picture because although it probably is the strongest benzo hypnotic (in my experience), it lasts no more than a couple of hours.

Your best bet is nitrazepam, or maybe temazepam (though this one is intermediate acting). both are very strong and both will keep u asleep for at least 7-8 hrs.

You could also try flurazepam...its has a very long half life, but its not as strong as nitrazepam or temazepam.

 

[deXo]

I think it will be Nitrazepam then. After all it's what I wanted in the first place. Some of those comparison charts say 10mg nitrazepam equals 10mg diazepam, but that can't be right, can it? I know I'm asking a lot of questions, you can just answer whenever you feel like it, it has no rush, my doctor's appointment is more than a week away so there is plenty of time. I have actually been giving some thought to the notion of buying a larger set of (flu)nitrazepam from one of those online pharmacies. You can get 60pills of both types for an affordable price and when you buy 90 or more the price on each pill falls. My only concern is whether I would be able to contain myself and only take them a certain amount of days in a row to avoid addiction. That could be a problem when you have a seemingly infinite amount of them.

 

[maryandme]

I just got 1mg. alprazolam and i need to know how much to take if i want to be in a completely relaxed state. Not too f!#ked up. I weigh 135 pounds, and 0% body fat. any ideas. Any info would be helpful.

 

[kokaino]

I think it will be Nitrazepam then. After all it's what I wanted in the first place. Some of those comparison charts say 10mg nitrazepam equals 10mg diazepam, but that can't be right, can it? I know I'm asking a lot of questions, you can just answer whenever you feel like it, it has no rush, my doctor's appointment is more than a week away so there is plenty of time. I have actually been giving some thought to the notion of buying a larger set of (flu)nitrazepam from one of those online pharmacies. You can get 60pills of both types for an affordable price and when you buy 90 or more the price on each pill falls. My only concern is whether I would be able to contain myself and only take them a certain amount of days in a row to avoid addiction. That could be a problem when you have a seemingly infinite amount of them.

dosage conversions to diazepam are to be used as a reference. don't get caught up in the "i must take X mgs of Y to equal X mgs of B".

10 mg nitrazepam = 10 mg diazepam, yes, but that doesn't mean that you will get the same effects out of 10 mg diazepam as you would from 10 mg nitrazepam.
Nitrazepam is a hypnotic and is stronger in just about anyway i can think of.

 

[Tommyboy]

Take the 1mg pill. You will probably be really tired from that. My first dose was .5 and it relaxed me just fine, so maybe take half the pill

 

[kokaino]

I just got 1mg. alprazolam and i need to know how much to take if i want to be in a completely relaxed state. Not too f!#ked up. I weigh 135 pounds, and 0% body fat. any ideas. Any info would be helpful.

try 0.5 mg as a starting dose.