Ketamine + 5-HTP

[ntype]

On the last 2 k trips ive undergone i've been experimenting with 5-HTP, prior to the trip. Initially my intention was to try and send me to sleep after the main trip had faded, as i found on the higher dose trips i find it very hard to sleep post trip. I fairly regularly use 5-HTP as a sleep aid after ecstasy, and sometimes when sober.

The first trip, i took 50mg of 5HTP about 30 mins before snorting 0.1 G - a mild, but significant amount of K. I found this trip to be very relaxing, floaty and comfortable. I actually had a very short K-hole aswel, which is unusual for this dose. The trip was also very visual, with pastel/van Gogh esque distortion around my bedroom. After this trip i fell asleep very easily - i thought to myself mission accomplished!

The second trip(last night) i took 100mg of 5htp immediately prior of a rather heady does of ~0.2 grams - this was a monster line. This trip was absolutely amazing, the visuals i experienced were incredible, both CEVS and OEVS. full on engrossing - i as in awe! I had apparitions floating about my dark room regularly! The actual K-Hole OBE, was my best yet. I wasn't just in a werid floaty zone alien zone, I was actually in a brightly decorated room, with people speaking to me, socializing gone on around me. It was another reality! Needless to say this was an amazing trip, probably my best on any substance thus far. The 5-HTP seemed to make the trip MUCH more visual, particulary in colours. Usually on K i get dull and random monocrome OEVS/CEVS, this was every color imaginable (think HD-TV Xbox 360!), and the experience lasted around an hour longer than i remember before. The trip was also very relaxed, unlike the "wtf is going on" of regular k missions. However the 5-HTP, it didn't seem to help me sleep on this occasion.

Has anyone else experimented with psychedelic/dissociatives and 5-HTP? are there health risks involved? Please any comments would be appreciated...next time will be acid + 5htp!

PS - happy new year i plan on getting in a right state tonight! stay safe the NYE!

 

[EntheoDjinn]

...next time will be acid + 5htp!

I'm might try pre-loading about 50mg 5-HTP tonight prior to one drop of LSD. Will report here tomorrow if I do.

Anybody out there know if there might be a slight serotonergic syndrome effect?

E

 

[Helios.]

There is no reaction between 5-HTP and ketamine, mdma or lsd.

 

[BongFish2]

Very interesting, I'll have to give this a go. I'll report back as soon as I can.

 

[IGNVS]

remember 5htp takes quite a whlie to turn into serotonin

 

[EntheoDjinn]

^ ^

That's what I thought. So how would this work:

"The second trip .... i took 100mg of 5htp immediately prior of a rather heady does of ~0.2 grams ........ This trip was absolutely amazing, the visuals i experienced were incredible"? [ntype]



E

 

[ntype]

^my plan was for it to kick in after the end of my trip to sleep, but it strangely seemed to affect the trip throughout. The experience definately felt different to your average K trip

 

[bubbbble]

There is no reaction between 5-HTP and ketamine, mdma or lsd.

I don't know what you're basing that on, maybe clinical studies, maybe opinion? Whatever the case, I strongly disagree.

Though I have no factual evidence to back it, I've taken 100 mg doses of 5htp while on acid, and it CLEARLY spiked my trip. As in, when all the visuals were just starting to dry up, and I was sobering, I popped a pill, and within a half hour was definitely back up there.

I would love to hear some legitimate evidence aside from my/my friend's personal experience, but I am very much a believer.


Now, Ima down this here 100 mgs of the stuff and blow thissy here ketamina, so scuuuse me while I delve into my subconscious.

 

[tittysnacks74]

^ ^

That's what I thought. So how would this work:

"The second trip .... i took 100mg of 5htp immediately prior of a rather heady does of ~0.2 grams ........ This trip was absolutely amazing, the visuals i experienced were incredible"? [ntype]



E

Even though it will not have accomplished its end until after the K trip, the 5-HTP will still be metabolizing throughout the experience. I'm not proficient with the neurological action of Ketamine but it wouldn't surprise me if it was somehow altered or augmented by coinciding with the metabolization of 5-HTP.

 

[moths2flame]

There is no reaction between 5-HTP and ketamine, mdma or lsd.

Yes there is.. 5-htp when combined with vitamin B6 is converted into serotonin. More serotonin in your brain= harder roll, less harsh of a comedown and less chance of any brain damage from oxidized dopamine. And i can see how it could help induce possitive feelings during a trip. Serotonin is what makes you happy.

 

[Recept]

^ More serotonin in the brain doesn't necessarily mean more serotonin in the synapses. Though supplementation with 5-HTP or L-Tryptophan always helps when you're taking MDMA or other substances that release serotonin into the synapses.

I'm not sure with regards to ketamine and 5-HTP interactions though.

 

[andreas]

there is a report in neuroscience...there must be a link...dont have time to read the whole thing sorry

 

[ntype]

HAHA old school thread i started. ea, im still doing Ket and i dont really mix these unless i really cant sleep after. I find it makes me more mongy and cloudy the next day. It does help me sleep after though...

 

[discoburger]

Ive been taking 5-HTP for my comedowns for about 2 months now. And ive recently started experimenting with ketamine which has been mind blowing. Doesnt seem to have been a negative combination, but once my ket is running off I do seem to get very sleepy even if im on stimulants at the time. Not sure if this is anything to do with 5-HTP though.

 

[dudeguy]

On the last 2 k trips ive undergone i've been experimenting with 5-HTP, prior to the trip. Initially my intention was to try and send me to sleep after the main trip had faded, as i found on the higher dose trips i find it very hard to sleep post trip. I fairly regularly use 5-HTP as a sleep aid after ecstasy, and sometimes when sober.

The first trip, i took 50mg of 5HTP about 30 mins before snorting 0.1 G - a mild, but significant amount of K. I found this trip to be very relaxing, floaty and comfortable. I actually had a very short K-hole aswel, which is unusual for this dose. The trip was also very visual, with pastel/van Gogh esque distortion around my bedroom. After this trip i fell asleep very easily - i thought to myself mission accomplished!

The second trip(last night) i took 100mg of 5htp immediately prior of a rather heady does of ~0.2 grams - this was a monster line. This trip was absolutely amazing, the visuals i experienced were incredible, both CEVS and OEVS. full on engrossing - i as in awe! I had apparitions floating about my dark room regularly! The actual K-Hole OBE, was my best yet. I wasn't just in a werid floaty zone alien zone, I was actually in a brightly decorated room, with people speaking to me, socializing gone on around me. It was another reality! Needless to say this was an amazing trip, probably my best on any substance thus far. The 5-HTP seemed to make the trip MUCH more visual, particulary in colours. Usually on K i get dull and random monocrome OEVS/CEVS, this was every color imaginable (think HD-TV Xbox 360!), and the experience lasted around an hour longer than i remember before. The trip was also very relaxed, unlike the "wtf is going on" of regular k missions. However the 5-HTP, it didn't seem to help me sleep on this occasion.

Has anyone else experimented with psychedelic/dissociatives and 5-HTP? are there health risks involved? Please any comments would be appreciated...next time will be acid + 5htp!

PS - happy new year i plan on getting in a right state tonight! stay safe the NYE!

this web site explains any and all health risks and benefits of 5htp. it also mentions that it will intensify the effects of sedative drugs

http://depression.about.com/cs/altmed5htp/f/5htp.htm