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Opioids Smoking and Chasing Opioids: General Information

where does smoking, or actually to be technical "chasing" of oxycontin fall into this. I know the whole smoking of oxy is a big controversey but thats not stoppin anyone from doin it. For all I know it's gaining popularity in Cali
 
Yeah I didn't want to add a section on other opioid pills, but knew it would come up eventually.

While it is possible to Chase or smoke prescription opioids in tablet or capsule form, it is not a good idea, and unless the proper steps are taken, it is a waste of the drug.

With OxyContin, an extraction of the Oxycodone from the binders and fillers is almost a must. People who simply crush up a tablet, put it on foil and heat are, even if they had perfect technique, wasting most of the drug, add in inexperience or poor technique and even less is being absorbed.

Same rules as Heroin, Morphine and Opium apply. Extract, convert from Hydrochloride to Freebase form, add an equal amount of Caffeine, mix, place on foil and Chase.

Despite an attempted extraction, there will be pill binders and fillers left. These are at least not good for your lungs/body to be vaporized and inhaled, and since they were not made to be used as such it isn't known what short and long term health consequences there could be.
 
ive chased the dragon about 10 times in the space of 2-3 weeks before and tbh dont think it is that special you certainly need more than 1 bag to get a very good high.

Its 1 of them drugs that if you dont think about it you will feel normal you gotta close your eyes and lay down if you really want to feel the power of it and then its so damn relaxing.
 
Tchort said:
I would like to add a bit about Opium due to the large amount of Opium related threads that have been popping up in OD and BDD.

It is important to first recognize what you have, i.e. if it is actually Opium. Erowid has a neat page about the "Red Rock Opium" (incense sold as Opium) hoax; and descriptions given by BL posters about the texture, packaging, etc leads me to believe a lot of people are simply selling Heroin as Opium for a higher profit margin to people who are opiate naive.

If it comes in a glassine bag with a stamp on it, it is Heroin. If it comes in a balloon or wrapped in foil, and is a moist looking black color, it is most likely Black Tar Heroin (this is important to remember if you are on the West Coast/MidWest).

Real Opium goes through a few changes depending on its state. After slicing the seedpod open, the Opium latex that flows out is white or off white. After it dries it is a light to dark brown, Opium gum. While it is possible to do so, it is better to treat the Opium to make it more suitable for Chasing or Smoking.

Here is a guide from the famous Federal Heroin guide:



http://www.shaps.hawaii.edu/drugs/dea20026/dea20026.html#cooking

(Note: the article says to use 'boiling' water; do not do this. Hot water, not boiling. Never add opioids to boiling water, or boil an Opioid solution.)

After this is done, Opium can be Chased or (if you want to waste it) smoked like Heroin, Morphine, or other opioids as outlined in the first post.

Since Opium gum is most likely not cut, it isn't necessary to worry about diluents that reduce volatilization. However, it would be a good idea to add a cut that will facilitate volatilization as explained in the first post.
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It's very easy to identify opium. Take a cup of poppy seeds and stick your nose in it. Then smell the opium. If it reaks like the seeds, jsut 100 times stronger, its O. If it smells chemical it's TAR H. IF neither, it's bunk or most likely heavily cut O or H and you shouldn't touch it anyway. When my friends bought O in SE Asia they'd onyl ever buy it if it stunk like poppy seeds - perfect guide.
 
I always thought that the brown we have in europe was made for smoking hence the need for ascorbic acid.Cant find any veins nomore so was thinking bout buying one of those glas bubble pipes what the Aussies use for meth and read that the BA is up to 95% but only if smoked correctly.Can sumone Please tell me if thats nonsense and what the actual BA would be if carefully heated in such a pipe??? Important Info,please reply if you know!
Love,peace and harmony for all BL.Community
Mo
 
Thanks Madrus,if one uses glass oil pipe and a “torch“lighter like they sell in tobacco shops with that blue flame,isnt that cooler flame than normal bics?
Yes,glass keeps heat longer but no smoke loss.foil gets small holes fast and residue still bitter.was thinking bout
Vaporizer with set temp .Controlling.Would this be best,after mixing in caffeine,which i always do?
Just cant inject no more,sure maybe after an hour of sticking and groin is just asking for trouble some Day.
Good Day,
Mo
 
It's probably more effective to use something like a dab rig than an oil pipe to smoke heroin. The BA for *properly* smoked heroin is pretty high, though I don't know if it is that high. Foil is of course a classic way of smoking heroin.
 
this is pretty cool but i'm nodding so hard i can't keep up aha
brb when not a drooling mess, book marked for posterity
 
imo if your gonna smoke you might as well iv as its the same except better rush they are just as dangerous as eachother longtem wise
 
Can any one help me with the absorbing the goo from my opium & 3 days I put it in a dehydrator and it is still a wet goo like substance which isn’t ideal for smoking HELP!!!!
 
Tchort said:
Unfortunately, a lot of people do not know much about the process of Chasing or smoking opioids (specifically Heroin)- even though it may be their primary route of administration, or even if they've been doing it for years.

To be clear, there are two distinct routes of administration involving the inhalation of heated Heroin: Smoking & Chasing.

Smoking Heroin (also known as 'Ack Ack' or 'Fire The Ack Ack Gun' in East Asia) involves filling part of a cigarette with powder Heroin, applying flame to the end of the cigarette and smoking it like a normal cigarette.

Chasing Heroin (also known as 'Chasing The Dragon') involves placing Heroin in the stem of an Opium pipe, or in the middle of a square piece of aluminum foil, adding heat from the bottom and inhaling the vapours through a tube.

Smoking Heroin (or Opium, or Morphine, etc) is very easy, yet it is a very, very inefficient method of using Heroin. The intense heat of the burning Tobacco and the direct flame degrade and destroy most of the Heroin. Only a small amount of Heroin is vaporized and inhaled.

Chasing Heroin is much more efficient compared to smoking; though improper technique and/or what I'll call "the wrong Heroin" can make Chasing just as if not more inefficient as smoking.

The type of Heroin being used and what it is cut with make a huge difference in the outcome, regardless of route of administration.

Diacetylmorphine Base (Freebase) is the best form of Heroin to use for Chasing or Smoking. It reaches volatilization much better than its salt forms. However, it is still possible to Chase or Smoke Heroin in a salt form (i.e. Diacetylmorphine Hydrochloride), it is just much less efficient.

The cuts being used are very important.

Caffeine, Barbiturates (Barbital, Phenobarbital), Methaqualone, Phenazone, etc facilitate and enhance Heroin volatilization, meaning more Heroin is being vaporized and available to be inhaled into the lungs and thus into the bloodstream.

This is why Heroin #3 is a 1:1 (50/50) ratio of Heroin Base : Caffeine.

Procaine, Lidocaine, Acetaminophen, Ascorbic Acid, etc have the opposite effect, they decrease and inhibit volatilization. Especially Ascorbic Acid. Very little Heroin will reach the bloodstream even if perfect chasing technique were performed on a Heroin sample that contained, for example, Heroin Hcl + Procaine Hcl.

However, cuts like Procaine enhance the subjective physiological effects of the IV rush from Heroin. Ascorbic Acid or Citric Acid is also necessary in parts of Europe to convert non-water soluble Heroin Base into a water soluble salt (Diacetylmorphine Ascorbate or Citrate) so it can be injected.

Here are my main sources, the second link contains a very interesting article about the Chasing and smoking of Heroin in the Netherlands among the Surinamese immigrant community, along with a lot of scientific information related to Heroin cuts, impurities, efficiency of RoA methods, etc.



http://jpet.aspetjournals.org/cgi/content/abstract/154/1/142

And the interesting link:

http://www.drugtext.org/library/books/grund/chasdra3.htm
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lots of info here. thanks for this. this will potentially help a lot of people.

well done.
 
DONMILLI said:
Can any one help me with the absorbing the goo from my opium & 3 days I put it in a dehydrator and it is still a wet goo like substance which isn’t ideal for smoking HELP!!!!
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can't help you with that but would just suggest you eat it anyway

unless you're an opium-vaping expert then the oral route is much more effective
 
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