puke
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I heard MGM is way more addictive also isn't that stuff illegal now?
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Opioids 7oh and suboxone
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drewbocop
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Yes on both counts. I find it LESS addictive in the sense that I do not have to compulsively dose it and keep my doses perfectly stable. Tapering is easier. It's the activation of the delta receptors adding a new variable in, coupled with the fact that it is not as easily managed with suboxone or SR-17018 as 7oh that make it "more addictive". And the withdrawal syndrome obviously lasts longer due to the increased half life. It has pros and cons, but much of what you will read in the more neurotic places on the internet such as reddit are fear-mongering and overblown. It's not that scary. It's just different. Black seed oil, liposomal vitamin c, and/or agmatine helps immensely during taper and the jump. (Edit: That goes for 7oh, too. I cannot recommend high quality, cold-pressed black seed oil enough)
Some people are opting to taper it and then move over to 7oh and then use their SR or continue to taper with MIT or leaf. I am not one of those people as I do not react well to 7oh anymore. It turned on me when I was strung out on it and it gives me wild anxiety and wears off as fast as it comes on now due to my rapid metabolism disorder.
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puke
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See I just started messing with 7oh maybe 6 months ago to help stopping drinking which it did because I'm coming up to a year in the next few weeks off, end of Sept. All this stuff u talk about I don't know any of this like u have to be a chemist or atleast I really didn't wanna get all involved with it and have an addiction. Good thing I've only been using it for 6 months so if I just have to quit I'll get sick like a dog but I've dealt with heroin wds and was on methadone for a while but that's been almost 20 years now but I think I'll be alright it's not like I'm gonna suicide because of it. I'm not gonna get into another tablet or having to mess with making a tea and mixing in black seed oil, vic c, etc etc but I have been reading about it and following whats going on. I didn't know there were so many people in to until I started reading about talks of making it illegal now. I honestly thought we were past all this making stuff illegal and what people can consume a while ago considering there's 3 dispensaries within 5 miles of me.
drewbocop
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Coming off 7oh at high doses was very emotionally violent for me. Even just trying to maintain on it at high doses was turbulent due to half life and interdose withdrawal. I was a grown ass man broken down crying complete with total insomnia (and if I did crash, I'd wake up after 30-45 minutes or an hour at best to panic and a sweat bath) and suicidal ideation, weeping to my elderly mother like a child. For me, it really does have this intense doom-and-gloom effect that makes me feel as if my life and perhaps the world IS ending. The constant rumination and overthinking just never stopped. Obsessive is how I would put it. I felt crazy. I've had this experience with regular kratom withdrawal as well, though this is like that cranked up to 11. I do have unmedicated (other than my self-medication) ADHD which presents as a multitude of other symptoms. Anyways, these symptoms were just a result of slashing 800mg-1g/day down to 400mg/day. But as I said, it turned on me fiercely after about 9 months or so of abuse. It felt like it would wear off soon after I ingested it and I would get horrible anxiety and panic spikes and insomnia terribly. Once I stuck with the 400mg/day, I tapered by evenly splitting my daily amount into a dose every 3-4 hours or as far as I could push it, and added in a big helping of MIT with each one. After 3-4 days I would completely stabilize, begin even kind of feeling each dose again, and then would cut it again. I introduced black seed oil, l-theanine, liposomal vitamin C, magnesium glycinate, and my daily gabapentin during this time. This made it WAY easier once I was stable. I ended up tapering down to 40mg/day (10mg 4x/day) and then jumped to solely MIT powder. I began sleeping better towards the end, and was fine after about a week or two of MIT usage only.
Some people have a much easier time, especially if you aren't using absurd doses like I was. I always start with the intention of "well, I'm just going to try it for a week or so and go balls to the wall and stop!" but as addicts, we all know how that goes. Fast forward a year and I'm in hell. Fight to get clean. Repeat.
Edit: As usual, my dumbass keeps making grammatical changes and then thinking of things to add. I am the king of editing every single message I post.
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puke
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Yea I know doom and gloom wds, I know a few people that killed themselves just due to that sad part is these people were still in teens or 20s and it wasn't the end of the world they could've got help or at least gone to a rehab and checked it out for a week I mean u can always just leave before the "miracle happens" as they say I mean sh so young.