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Phenethylamines Low Dose Mescaline

What I meant is that low dose mescaline shares some similarities with MDMA (pro social empathic openness, good mood, stimulation) that it can be used in similar way.
Ofc it's still different experience.
Oh I certainly see the parallels between mescaline and MDMA that you're referring to, I just personally view 2C-B as the training drug for both MDMA and mescaline but I could see people finding 2C-B more challenging. This whole concept of pharmacological training wheels is quite a neat one, I'll be rolling these ideas around for a while.
 
You are likely responding to Leprechaun's post about training 😉

Personally, I see 2C-B as something like younger brother of mescaline, quite similar, but lighter, easier.
 
You are likely responding to Leprechaun's post about training 😉
Oh yes, sorry about that!
Personally, I see 2C-B as something like younger brother of mescaline, quite similar, but lighter, easier.
I often have described 2C-B as a sort of "fast-forward mescaline" experience. It is certainly capable of pushing you to the classic DMT-breakthrough style experience though, I eyeballed a 75-100mg line of it back when my fiance and I were daily users of 2C-B for 6-8 week periods during some seriously cold and dismal winters in Portland Maine during covid. We were about to go get sushi with a homie, the same exact setting of when I drank that vial of LSD, the same friend and the same intention of immediately leaving to the sushi buffet. I did that line, vomitted exactly once, curled up on my side and passed out into slithering, downwards flowing snakeskin patterns with scale shapes that self-transformed. Lots of blues, darker browns, a unique swathe of colors I now associate with 2C-B, DOB, 25B-NBOH and 25B-NBOMe, it seems to be a 2,5-dimethoxy-4-bromo thing I guess? Idrk, I'll have to explore this whole SAR further to have a more complete take on that.

The classic "trip has a lesson to teach you" thing just showed me how much joy and love my life would have if I dedicated as much time as I could to the pursuits of art and music. It wasn't wrong, tbh.
 
For being somebody who didn't take to cannabis, ayahuasca, or even mushrooms (relative to pure 4-subbed tryptamines), the coadministration of methamphetamine and mescaline is a fascinating move from Sasha, it seems he always leans in favor of absolute cognitive clarity when possible. Where was this experience report written? I'd love to give it a read.

I've been trying to find adequate imagery to abstract this concept of the intensity of an experience negatively correlating with the ease of integration, the reason I tend to prefer guiding people on either super lightweight or super heavy duty trips is because I know how to approach this from either the low-dose or high-dose end of things, but locating where in the middling regions this lies can be tricky sometimes. One of the major ways I've worked to grow as someone who guides experiences is learning to intentionally apply things to upmodulate or downmodulate the intensity of an experience to the ideal place for whatever the session's goals are.

Are you saying people perspectivize MDMA as the training drug towards the more psychically deep 2C-B/mescaline? I have had MDMA induce straight up suicidality that I could not easily combat, but I've never had a single psychedelic do me that way.
The experience was written in one of the pharmacology notebooks. Not exactly sure which one but it was around 1985 1986.

In the pharmacology notebooks you’ll notice right near the end of books around 1992 Sasha was consuming a lot of LSD which is a very, I guess cerebral analytical experience, however he did actually prefer to use the phenethylamines a lot more in the 80s so I’m not sure what happened there.

In the 80s, Sasha and Anne were using a lot and I mean a lot of psychedelics, one every week at minimum so it’s quite a stretch from the average user in my experience.

Regarding MDMA as a trainer, I believe this is purely because it is one a short acting experience and two. It is very friendly and at the effective dose unlikely to produce any unwanted panic reactions not that it never can but it is very unlikely compared to the classic psychedelics.

Also, the classic psychedelics need you to be aware of a sense of letting go without which if you try to find the experience it can turn dark and problematic very quick.
 
Low dose is very friendly as long as you take it anally. ANY dose of mescaline orally causes severe nausea and you've got the problem of choking down horrendous gag inducing cactus snot - simething so bad it makes ayahuasca taste like fine wine.
 
I'm wondering if anyone has experience with lower dose mescaline, as I am under a theory that it may be a worthy alternative to MDXX compounds. Thinking about 150 mg, give or take

It seems typically 2cb or similar are recommended for that role, but I think from reading about how mescaline has a lot of empathy, warmth, and euphoria, that lower doses might be a decent replacement, assuming it doesnt cause that uncomfortable "half in, half out" sensation that can come from psychedelic doses that arent quite high enough.

Any thoughts?
I've played around with low dose mescaline - it's a nice micro/mezzodose. Definitely stimulating and clear-headed, moreso than an LSD micro/mezzo can be. Good for social situations, but can lead to nausea occasionally.
 
Low dose is very friendly as long as you take it anally. ANY dose of mescaline orally causes severe nausea and you've got the problem of choking down horrendous gag inducing cactus snot - simething so bad it makes ayahuasca taste like fine wine.
I recently had 110mg of Mescaline with no nausea.

There seem to be people who never react to the nausea … I welcomely drink 1 litre of Cactus tea without any nausea…
 
I always spent hours/days preparing cactus tea then took the first sip, gipped, put the cup down with a long trail of snot dangling from my chin to the cup, and could never swallow anymore without gipping it back up.

I did manage to squirt some up my bunghole several times.
 
I always spent hours/days preparing cactus tea then took the first sip, gipped, put the cup down with a long trail of snot dangling from my chin to the cup, and could never swallow anymore without gipping it back up.

I did manage to squirt some up my bunghole several times.
I will never quite understand why some people can't stomach these things. I eat Loph buttons like they're fucking apples dude, I genuinely suspect that "false peyotes" (Lophophora diffusa, fricii, alberto-vojtechii and koehresii) represent a slept on treatment for ADHD and/or CDS. My fiance and my mother both tried some brew made from them about 3 months ago and both found it completely impossible to even amuse drinking, I wonder if it's like some "cilantro soap gene" antics going on.
 
You must have a stomach of cast iron E!!

I remember trying "capsuled san pedro" once - my god I was vomiting for 48 hours straight.
 
I will never quite understand why some people can't stomach these things. I eat Loph buttons like they're fucking apples dude, I genuinely suspect that "false peyotes" (Lophophora diffusa, fricii, alberto-vojtechii and koehresii) represent a slept on treatment for ADHD and/or CDS. My fiance and my mother both tried some brew made from them about 3 months ago and both found it completely impossible to even amuse drinking, I wonder if it's like some "cilantro soap gene" antics going on.
Same, I have no problem drinking cactus. Just dilute it a bit, add lemon and honey, then sip over 30-40 minutes. Easy.

Still bitter, but I felt it's more about the ritual.
 
I never got much out of "mixing it with ice cream" or lemon - it was like putting ketchup on a turd - didnt make it much tastier.
 
Microdosing Mescaline

by Jerry Toth

Whereas a high dose can fundamentally reframe your relationship with Life, a microdose of San Pedro is like Adderall infused with a subtle sense of gratitude for being alive.

I’ve written numerous other articles about the life-altering power of consuming full doses of San Pedro. This article, however, is about consuming small amounts of San Pedro during an otherwise normal day of life.

My career in harvesting, preparing, and consuming San Pedro goes back by almost two decades. But it wasn’t until this past year that I started experimenting with micro-dosing San Pedro.

Previously I had experimented with micro-dosing psilocybin mushrooms and LSD. The former was aimed at treating post-traumatic stress disorder, the latter was aimed at stimulating creativity. In both cases, the results were generally positive, although mixed.

Despite my abiding faith in and respect for San Pedro, I went into this new phase of experimentation with an open mind. And the results surprised me. I’m happy to share my findings here.

First, a disclaimer. Everyone reacts to psychedelics differently — some people favorably and other people unfavorably. Even people who tend to react favorably should still exercise caution. And anyone with a personal or family history of psychosis should probably avoid all psychedelics.

San Pedro can be more tricky than something like LSD because it’s harder to dose…at first. Even within the same species of cactus, mescaline content varies depending on where the cactus was grown, its age, health, and other factors. But the good news is that once you get your own personal dosage calibrated, the effects are very consistent at small doses.

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The cross-section of the piece that ultimately produced “Batch B”

DIY San Pedro

As I have expounded in other articles, I strongly advocate preparing your own San Pedro, as opposed to buying it from some dude who says he has good stuff. The benefits to the DIY approach are numerous:
  1. You know exactly what you are consuming.​
  2. You can take measures to ensure that your batch is high-quality.​
  3. The process is fun and interesting, and fairly simple.​
  4. The more you work with this plant, the more you develop a personal relationship with it. And this generally leads to a more rewarding experience when you consume it.​
Sourcing a cutting

To prepare San Pedro, the first thing you need to do is source a cutting. The best way to do this is to grow your own plant — either indoors or outdoors, depending on where you live.

Otherwise, you can buy a cutting from a nursery. San Pedro is legally sold in plant nurseries everywhere from California and Arizona to Spain, South Africa, Israel, New Zealand, etc.

If you don’t live in one of these places, you can also buy cuttings online. If you live in the US, try AWCO.

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A nice wall of San Pedro outside of a storefront in Cumbayá, Ecuador.

Preparation

There are a few different preparation methods, although I only recommend two of them. The first method is to put the green flesh into the water and boil it down and then drink it. I go into detail about this method in my article DIY Mescaline: How to explore San Pedro without a guide. If you want to take a full dose, this works marvelously. But for micro-dosing, it’s less practical.

The second method is to dehydrate the green flesh and grind it into a powder. I describe this method in Macro-Dosing Mescaline: The danger of not consuming enough San Pedro. Incidentally, this is also the best preparation method for micro-dosing. The powder is easier to dose in small quantities, and you can store it at room temperature for months — if not longer — without reducing its potency.

I ‘m fortunate to live in Ecuador, where San Pedro grows abundantly in gardens, roadsides, and Andean hillsides. For my micro-dosing experiments, I made two different batches, each from the same species of cactus (Echinopsis pachanoi) but from different parts of the country. I made Batch A from a cutting sourced from a relatively young cactus growing in a garden in Cumbayá, just outside of Quito. Then a few months later I made Batch B from a huge old cactus that was growing near the city of Ibarra.

In both cases, I dehydrated only the green flesh, which is where the mescaline is most abundant. As always, I excluded the white pulp, which only has marginal amounts of mescaline and tastes even less agreeable than the green flesh. If you use only the green flesh, your medicine will be stronger per unit of weight — which means that you only need to consume a very small amount. And it will taste slightly less bad. I strongly recommend using only the green flesh.


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Samples from Batch A (left) and Batch B (right). Why the difference in color? Most likely due to the drying conditions. I dehydrated Batch A in a dry environment with sunny weather, and the process went quickly. I dehydrated Batch B in an extremely humid place with rainy weather, and it took a while.

Dosage experiments

When to Ingest:
In all cases, I ingested the dose shortly after waking up. Mescaline is a stimulant, and it’s long-lasting — even at small doses. So taking it at nighttime is a bad idea unless you don’t want to sleep. Morning is the perfect time to take it. I always ingested it within 10–30 minutes of eating breakfast — sometimes before, sometimes after. And I would only do it once per week.

How to Ingest: In all cases, I weighed the powder on a food/cannabis scale to ensure the precise weight, and then added the powder to a cup of water and stirred it in. A few times I added honey or sugar to the water, to try to soften the bitterness, but it doesn’t really help. Now I just drink it like a shot. It’s not that bad.

Dosage Comparison: Each batch yielded 19–20 grams of a highly-concentrated green powder, from arm-length sections of cactus that I would ordinarily use as one full dose of San Pedro. In other words, 19–20 grams roughly equates to one “macro-dose” for one person — i.e., a full journey’s worth.


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This is the entirety of Batch B before processing, which would qualify as a solid dose for one person who is looking to go deep. Its green flesh ultimately yielded 19 grams of highly-concentrated powder.

0.5 Grams (Batch A): This was the first dose I tried — roughly equivalent to 2.5% of a full dose. I did it in a beautiful place surrounded by nature, but it was a workday. As it turned out, this dosage was below the threshold of perceptibility, in the sense that I never explicitly felt any effects from the San Pedro, either physically or psychologically. But I had a really good day.

Creativity and mood were both enhanced subtly but noticeably, and my mind was sharp. I was fully capable of managing all daily tasks, social interactions, and physical activities — I could have effectively led a meeting or made a public speech, had I been called to do so. My energy level was high and sustained throughout the day. And the impetus for task-completion was unquestionably strong — shit got done.

I really liked how subtle the effects were, but it left me curious about what a stronger dose would feel like.

2.0 Grams (Batch A): For my second dose, I jumped up to 2 grams (roughly 10% of a full dose), and it did not go as well. Shortly after ingestion, I felt the physical jitters I associate with the onset of a full dose of San Pedro — similar to what I feel if I consume too much coffee. It ranged from mildly to moderately uncomfortable. Again I was in a beautiful place surrounded by nature. This time I was too jittery to sit down and write, so I got up and started doing heavy manual labor in the yard.

About two hours after ingestion, I started feeling subtle waves of psychedelic awareness. It was kind of nice, but the jitters dampened the pleasure of it, and the psychedelia wasn’t deep enough to have a lasting impact. It was exactly what I warned about in my “Macro-Dosing Mescaline” article: I was in that weird Interzone between normalcy and a proper mescaline experience, which seemed to have the downsides of both without the benefits of either.

I tried skinny-dipping in a cold river, to flush the jitters out of my system, but it didn’t work. I ended up spending a few hours just kind of sitting around, doing nothing. Fortunately I didn’t see anyone during this stretch, but if I did, it would have been hard to “play it cool.” It felt like I drank two really big cups of coffee and then chased it with a heady strain of Sativa. It was the feeling of having too much energy and no way to properly channel it.

At about six hours into the experience, the jitters gradually wore off, and so did the subtle psychedelic awareness. The rest of the day had the feeling of a coffee hangover.

1.0 Grams (Batch A): This, too, was over the threshold of perceptibility. Again I felt the jitters. It was only slightly uncomfortable, but it was distracting enough to impede a creative activity like writing. Working in the yard was okay, but less pleasant than it normally is. A few times I felt the whiff of psychedelic awareness pass through, but only a whiff. Overall, it was not something I would want to repeat.

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Batch A, dehydrated in the sun and then ground in a coffee grinder.

Back to 0.5 Grams (Batch A): After my experiences with 2 grams and 1 gram, I went back to limiting the dosage to 0.5 grams, and the results were the same as they were the first time. Zero jitters, zero explicit physical and psychological effects, but noticeably positive effects on creativity, mood, and energy. And once again, work got done.

My day was also peppered with little moments of appreciation for Existence. It’s a feeling I also experience without ingesting anything, but on this day those moments came more often. It was nice.

To illustrate what I mean by sub-threshold and yet still noticeable, here’s a hypothetical scenario. If someone had somehow slipped this amount of powder into my drink in the morning (and I somehow didn’t notice the acrid taste), I would have never known I had consumed San Pedro that day. But later, if asked how my day went, I would likely describe it as a good day, and I wouldn’t necessarily know why. I would have also gotten a ton of stuff done.

I went on to repeat this dosage several times, and it was always positive. It felt like I had found my optimal dosage.

0.7 Grams (Batch A): In the interest of fine-tuning the dosage, I eventually moved up to 0.7 grams. This amount was still within the sweet spot — below the threshold of physical discomfort but accompanied by a subtle boost in creativity, mood, and energy. And, yet again, focus and task-completion were unquestionably high. I finally designated this as my optimal dose for Batch A — roughly 3.5% of a full dose. One or two days a week, this is how I would start off my day. It never failed to produce what I call “a pretty good day.”

Set and Setting

I also experimented with micro-dosing San Pedro in four different locations. Two of the locations were beaches, one was a forest, and one was a city. In all cases, micro-dosing the optimal amount yielded days that I would rate “better” than baseline days (i.e., non-micro-dosing days) in the same place. (“Better” in the sense of overall well-being and awareness, in addition to levels of creativity, mood, energy, and focus.)

One day I even micro-dosed in Quito (a city I do not particularly enjoy) on a day of heavy civil unrest (the riots of October 2019), and the results were still positive. But in general, places of natural beauty are much more conducive to a fruitful San Pedro experience, regardless of the dosage.

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This is not the source of Batch B. It’s just a nice little specimen I saw in Quito one day.

Batch B

After a few months of experimenting with Batch A, I made Batch B and started testing it. Although the powder from Batch B wasn’t as beguilingly green as Batch A, it was slightly more potent.

A dose of 0.7 grams yielded some jitters, but it was still generally a positive experience. If anything, the impetus for task-completion was too high — once I got started on a task, there was no stopping me until the task was complete. It actually felt a lot like Adderall.

Ultimately, I settled on 0.5 grams as the optimal dosage from Batch B (roughly 2.6% of a full dose). I found this to be a good balance between productivity and a general sense of well-being.

Comparing San Pedro to other psychedelics

How would I compare San Pedro to LSD and psilocybin mushrooms, as a tool for micro-dosing? One thing for sure is that it’s much more task-oriented. It’s like a preternaturally effective cup of coffee with no midday crash. Or, to use another analogy, it’s like Adderall but groovier, more fluid.

As I said in the disclaimer above, everyone reacts differently to different plants and chemical compounds. Hopefully the data I’ve shared here serves as a useful starting point for your own experiments.​
 
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I never really understood comparisons between 2cb and mescaline with MDMA. Neither give me any sort of desire to be around other people like MDMA does. 2cb is much closer to MDMA than mescaline IMO. But 2cb and MDMA are also worlds different. The ONLY significant similarities they share are tactile and sensory enhancement, thats it.

although I will say all 3 of those drugs combine very well... lol I almost always have a little bag of 2cb with me on my MDMA rolls. 2cb is so much more fun when you can snort it with zero pain. Also jellies very well with MDMA. Mescaline does, too... but its hard to find the time for 16+ hr trips.

I never enjoyed low dose mescaline (<200mg). When I do mescaline it's a minimum of 500mg and I prefer synthetic HCl.

This is nothing other than my own meandering anecdotal experience. I dislike microdosing and scoff at it in general, so take this as just my opinion, as everything on the internet should be.
 
75-100mg line of it back when my fiance and I were daily users of 2C-B for 6-8 week periods during some seriously cold and dismal winters in Portland Maine during covid. We were about to go get sushi with a homie, the same exact setting of when I drank that vial of LSD, the same friend and the same intention of immediately leaving to the sushi buffet. I did that line, vomitted exactly once, curled up on my side and passed out into slithering, downwards flowing snakeskin patterns with scale shapes that self-transformed. Lots of blues, darker browns, a unique swathe of colors I now associate with 2C-B, DOB, 25B-NBOH and 25B-NBOMe, it seems to be a 2,5-dimethoxy-4-bromo thing I guess?
slight diversion from the topic sorry.

75-100mg is a lot of 2C-B! I'm snorting HCI occasionally and eyeballing what I would guess is 20-30mg which has my body hyper sensitive feeling like it's plugged into the mains electric, verging on intolerable. I still don't get very strong OEV at this level.

tripsit.me dosage
Insufflated
Light 5-10mg
Common 10-20mg
Strong 20-30mg
Heavy 30mg+

@Esperighanto how are you managing the sensitivity at this level, or do you have a tolerance that allows you to push it this far given the frequency you were taking it at? I've had 2C-B with GBL which rounds things off, but not sure if I can push it more, I'm not really getting a breakthrough experience with it.

Microdosing Mescaline
excellent post thanks, really enjoyed reading that
 
Recently got to try mescaline hcl for the first time - marvellous stuff. Cant say its much psychedelic by itself (not tried a massive dose yet) but when you mix it with a bit of acid the combination of the two is the chefs kiss.
 
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