Phenethylamines Unexpected Insight Holy Grail - Mescaline + Methamphetamine

[Leprechaun]

Recently I did some saturation and max dose experiments with various oral stimulants after a complete washout from all an any stimulants for over two months.

At the tail end, I decided to trial one last option to see if there was any value to dl-meth-amphetamine, as on it's own as an internal therapeutic tool it is a complete dead end, with just the tease of possible insight enhancement that just doesn't open any doors.

In Sasha Shulgins notebooks, there's a noteworthy experience where the group took 50mg dl-methamphetamine and various doses of mescaline around the 400mg mark. They expressed a real joyous and insightful experience.

Not having the capacity at the moment to undertake a complete +++, I thought I would trial a threshold dose of Mescaline and a lower dose of dl-methamphetamine.

110mg Mescaline / 20mg Methamphetamine

Here are the pros:

1. Real insight enhancement towards yourself and others, with more empathy and friendliness to pure dl-meth.
2. No desire to redose whatsoever. One of the major failing of the classic stimulants d-amphetamine and dl-meth is the desire to re-dose which makes it essentially an unusable compound for anything but late night wakefulness promoting.
3. Very little of the sympathomimetic focus. You're not stuck aware of your body effects. Blood pressure and heart rate also are not elevated to the same level.
4. Clearer thinking and more desire to express ideas physically through either writing or painting.
5. No sight of Nausea.

I have never done a threshold dose of Mescaline, always at least above 200mg...

Next will be to do a simple threshold dose of mescaline by itself and compare the two experiences.

But as of now, this is exactly was I was looking for in an insight enhancer. Something I can move around in with ideas, without being too lost in overwhelming psychedelic effects which would make me unable to function well.

I would rate this as a +/++ and a very useful one for personal reflection on the "warmer" side of things.

It may also be a good stepping stone out of stimulant use for those who have trouble controlling their use.

 

[Sixx_Psychonaut]

 

[Esperighanto]

I'm glad to see more people coadministering stimulants with psychedelics to enhance clarity. Meth and DOM is an all time favorite of mine, if you respond well to DOM and can handle extremely stimulating and long-lasting combinations, definitely consider giving it a shot sometime. Meth and DOB though did not play nice with one another.

 

[xdrc]

I've always found it surprising that psychedelics + stimulants is warned of in terms of psychosis risk. In my experience administering stimulants always dampened the headtrip. I suppose that is true until it is not. I've never used these combinations for noble intentions though, usually it started with stimming on *high* dosages and then adding a psychedelic to the mix to make it more colourful. Some very pleasurable experiences but also many times where I was holding still while making sure my heart does not overclock.

Fucking stimulants, eh.

 

[Chaurus]

Would it work too with meth and methallylescaline?

 

[Esperighanto]

I've always found it surprising that psychedelics + stimulants is warned of in terms of psychosis risk. In my experience administering stimulants always dampened the headtrip. I suppose that is true until it is not. I've never used these combinations for noble intentions though, usually it started with stimming on *high* dosages and then adding a psychedelic to the mix to make it more colourful. Some very pleasurable experiences but also many times where I was holding still while making sure my heart does not overclock.

Fucking stimulants, eh.

I've found stimulants to induce a clarity that I find useful for gaining therapeutic value from hallucinogens, I usually cut my pure MDMA with a small amount of methamphetamine or whatever phenidate I have available at that moment. I also tend to combine PCP analogs and ketamine with amphetamine if I can (meth's a bit longlasting for a drug that brief), but LSD and DOM are the main psychedelics I find myself combining with methamphetamine. 2C-B is nice with it too, but the most interesting 2C-B mixture I've come upon so far was a high dose of promethazine, some Panaeolus cyanescens mushrooms and 2C-B all being coadministered. Never in my life has anything resembled that specific combination.

Would it work too with meth and methallylescaline?

Allylescaline and meth is a fantastic mix. A dangerous though absolutely unique, profound, mystical, mind-blowing mix for me was 30mg of allylescaline, 15mg of miprocin (4-HO-MiPT), 7.5mg of methamphetamine orally (though I'd taken 22.5mg total earlier on in the day) and a small amount of vaporized 25E-NBOH which would've been exceptionally difficult to accurately measure. It was the last combination to render me totally non-verbal outside of a heavy duty k-hole hahaha.

 

[Innerpeace]

5 mapbs and mal work amazingly well together. I did 5 mapbs , 50 mgs, two hours after dosing something like 25 mgs mal.

It was stimulation esp when 5 mapb kicked in

Ex gf and I did it, was fun.

Mal seems to enhance language part of the brain. Great for talking with females, and or females talking stuff out. I've talked to another women on this and verbal seemed much easier, conveying thoughts into words, which isn't easy for everyone.

Ex talked with her aunt about some hardships, she lived with her mom at the time and her mom kept the room eighty five degrees or higher. Girlfriend cried a lot. She finally did moved to her dad's states away

Not really into mal even though it's in stash. Subed it once , 30 mgs, felt a slight headshot, serotonin feeling, this was second batch. First batch seemed to work better . Idk

 

[Elevana]

1. Real insight enhancement towards yourself and others, with more empathy and friendliness to pure dl-meth.

This is why I have been formulating nasal sprays using Tadalafil+ 4-HO-MET, I realized the synergistic effects of the combination that you described between stimulants and empathetic tryptamines. It’s an amazing combo. I wonder how tryptamines vs phenylethylamine different in combination with stimulants.


2. 4. Clearer thinking and more desire to express ideas physically through either writing or painting.

Yes. It’s amazing how the stimulant can keep you focused on your thoughts and ideas and not allow you to get lost in the experience. While the psychedelic whether phenylethylamine like mescaline or tryptamines give you the deep introspection, unique way of thinking, creative ideas. It almost as if you can implement these ideas more concisely with the stimulant.

2. No desire to redose whatsoever. One of the major failing of the classic stimulants d-amphetamine and dl-meth is the desire to re-dose which makes it essentially an unusable compound for anything but late night wakefulness promoting

This is the most fascinating part and there needs to be scientific research on how when taking the phenylethylamine in tangent with a highly addictive substance like Methamphetamine why there’s no desire to redose the meth.