🌟🌟 Social 🌟🌟 Drug Culture *Social* v. Cultural Learnings for the Benefit of Bluelightistan

[Dr. John Thackery]

Smoking somewhat reasonable amounts of MDMB-4en-PINACA one day I was bitten by a velvet ant and did not even notice the pain.

yea but acute pain and chronic pain are very different things.

but yes despite the MJ heals everything crowd and media raving about MJ addressing pain….in the chronic pain sub reddit many ppl report that it amplifies their pain.

 

[Cream Gravy?]

Have you ever used other dissociatives or empathogens?

I’ve taken methylone a few times plus 4-FA several times. I fucking love 4-FA, really wish I hadn’t sold my last gram off for small change back when I was poor…

I’ve done MXE many times, took it weekly for a period in college and loved it, maybe my favorite drug ever. Also tried 3-ho-pce a few times and enjoyed it in low doses. N2O plenty of times mixed with many different drugs.

 

[Dr. John Thackery]

I’ve taken methylone a few times plus 4-FA several times. I fucking love 4-FA, really wish I hadn’t sold my last gram off for small change back when I was poor…

I’ve done MXE many times, took it weekly for a period in college and loved it, maybe my favorite drug ever. Also tried 3-ho-pce a few times and enjoyed it in low doses. N2O plenty of times mixed with many different drugs.

4-FA was my favorite stimulant of all (not counting MDMA and MDxx drugs).

i was never a stim person but 4-FA was the smoothest stimulant i had ever done. doesn’t last too long and not much of a comedown at all.

the most relaxing stimulant ever.


i’d have to probably agree also that in terms of effects and the experience, mxe is the best drug ever period.

 

[Sp4rky]

I'm probably closer to a thousand than five hundred total 2C-B trips so far, my fiance too. I've used it in a tremendous variety of environments and contexts, up to a variety of different things. Do you live in a walkable city? And what kinds of social vibes are you looking for, as intensely dense as a rave can be in a shoulder-to-shoulder way, or just strolling around a public park? Also what are you looking to gain from this here? There's a big difference between a profound trip walking through a city late at night compared to a "museum dose" taken at a rave imo.

I have since tripped twice by myself on 2C-B at home with a decent trip dose, which were good, but quite heavy experiences. Very therapeutic though, found it to be very creative, laugh inducing, but also amplifying the intense emotional swings I already have, except with a psychedelic edge of seeing my emotions and problems from a further distance.

Have also since done multiple lower doses at raves. I never go to massive, commercialized raves, it’s always smaller queer raves with close friends and plenty of chill spaces to talk and hangout. Those were also good experiences, a bit like xtc light like many people describe lower doses 2C-B to be. The typical effects like getting really in that dancing flow, talking and hugging my friends a lot, etc…

Have yet to try a higher trip dose with friends, but many of my friends aren’t super into psychedelics like that, but in the future some of them do want to try that with me. Every city here is walkable, but my city doesn’t have great nature or chill walking places where I don’t get harassed for looking visibly queer, so I’d probably go stay at one of my friends’ places for that.

 

[Esperighanto]

where I don’t get harassed for looking visibly queer

In the netherlands, for real? I'm in Florida right now and nobody has so much as attempted this with my fiance and I (both men, one visibly queer). I wonder if the widespread reality of gun ownership here keeps peoples' mouths shut.

 

[Cream Gravy?]

I wonder if the widespread reality of gun ownership here keeps peoples' mouths shut.

If I had to guess, it'd be more along the lines of people just stay out of others' business here in the states. I live in the rural south and while queerness is shunned (and people talk about queer folks behind their backs out the wazoo) it is not like folks go up to them and start mouthing off. Lots of out-queer folks where I live, surprisingly. Not like they're engaging in PDA though. Not really acceptable for any gender in my book lol. Keep it to hand holding outside your home people!

Which makes me wonder, is it the cramped living situations, or perhaps more traditional lifestyle nature of Europe that leads to the blowback? Perhaps the world underestimates us Americans and our true belief in the pursuit of happiness. I talk a lot of philosophy/religion at work with my coworkers who are mostly split between bible thumping evangelicals and autistic agnostic types and we all somehow get along and don't start yelling slurs at each other.

When I visited Ireland the only city I saw out and out queer folks was in Cork, since we were near a university there. Even then, they were all lesbians (typically more accepted IME) and dressed very traditionally compared to what I see in many a Southern town. Not many people had colorful hair or piercings out the wazoo. I mean I was only over there for a bit past a week and on vacation, but I recall that observation leaving a particular impression. We have the luxury of being able to easily move towns here in the U.S. and sort of self-segregate based upon our lifestyle choices and that also seems to help; at the end of the day some folks won't ever get along. I've tried logic and rationality with many a neighbor, and eventually you just have to pick up and move someplace where the people think much more alike to yourself to get neighbors you won't beef with. I imagine that with limited ability to spread out, the anger and hatred just simmers and boils over in cramped European environs.

 

[Sp4rky]

In the netherlands, for real? I'm in Florida right now and nobody has so much as attempted this with my fiance and I (both men, one visibly queer). I wonder if the widespread reality of gun ownership here keeps peoples' mouths shut.

I mean it’s not AWFUL here, I’ve only once been in a situation I was genuinely scared for my life, but I’m more so referring to especially middle schoolers yelling slurs, spitting at me, following me or generally bothering me and my friends.

A common one I get is groups of boys coming up to me and asking me ‘what I am’, as I look visibly trans in an androgynous way that often makes people unsure how to address me, or they’ll follow me and start filming or shit like that.

The Netherlands is generally pretty tolerant to queer people, but I wouldn’t want to be tripping balls and have something like that happen, hence why I’d only want to trip like that with my friends either inside or at a public place where there aren’t many teenagers, like a forest or a park. Also why I don’t like the commercialized techno raves or big festivals, I like being able to wear my queer kinky outfits when raving haha

 

[Esperighanto]

If I had to guess, it'd be more along the lines of people just stay out of others' business here in the states. I live in the rural south and while queerness is shunned (and people talk about queer folks behind their backs out the wazoo) it is not like folks go up to them and start mouthing off. Lots of out-queer folks where I live, surprisingly. Not like they're engaging in PDA though. Not really acceptable for any gender in my book lol. Keep it to hand holding outside your home people!

Which makes me wonder, is it the cramped living situations, or perhaps more traditional lifestyle nature of Europe that leads to the blowback? Perhaps the world underestimates us Americans and our true belief in the pursuit of happiness. I talk a lot of philosophy/religion at work with my coworkers who are mostly split between bible thumping evangelicals and autistic agnostic types and we all somehow get along and don't start yelling slurs at each other.

When I visited Ireland the only city I saw out and out queer folks was in Cork, since we were near a university there. Even then, they were all lesbians (typically more accepted IME) and dressed very traditionally compared to what I see in many a Southern town. Not many people had colorful hair or piercings out the wazoo. I mean I was only over there for a bit past a week and on vacation, but I recall that observation leaving a particular impression. We have the luxury of being able to easily move towns here in the U.S. and sort of self-segregate based upon our lifestyle choices and that also seems to help; at the end of the day some folks won't ever get along. I've tried logic and rationality with many a neighbor, and eventually you just have to pick up and move someplace where the people think much more alike to yourself to get neighbors you won't beef with. I imagine that with limited ability to spread out, the anger and hatred just simmers and boils over in cramped European environs.

I suspect we've lived two very different lives surrounding the American experience. I've spent almost my entire life in the northeast megalopolis and up until I was about 23 years old I was the type of person where some random bigoted street preacher would pop off at the mouth and end up unconscious with what must have only been a very serious medical bill, and I stole the only camera with evidence bc they had it on their chest to fund their fundamentalist youtube channel. There were maybe 8-10 of us who had repeatedly demand he got off our area which we could not get police to, due to that city's rules surrounding "sanctuary areas" at that time, but I lived in this 2 square mile area bc it was close to my college and cheap so I only had so many options. It was after he began following people screaming in their ears that someone swung, and we all decided to finish the deal collectively. I was the type of person at this point in my life who would follow someone back to their house just to make them uncomfortable to know I have their home address when they would piss me off. I also grew up in an area with an excessive amount of violence though, I still get PTSD flashes from cars backfiring, it fucking sucks.

For some reason, straight people think I'm straight? It's let me embed myself into unironic hate groups when I was younger, but as I grew up a little more I found it more interesting (and funny) to embed myself into white nationalist networks, especially given that I am a Romani man with a pretty big fucking nose, like visible from around the corner before you see the rest of me type shit. Every time I kiss my fiance my nose bonks his glasses before my lips even get there bro it's ridiculous. Nonetheless, I found that the most successful route with people was to get close enough for them to think you're on the same page they are and have enough info to remind them not to become like the other examples that have already been made in the community. As far as I can tell, rural areas of the US are significantly less prone to self-regulation like this, I suspect it's why we have higher suicide rates in rural areas but that's just a loose hunch on my end ofc.

I mean it’s not AWFUL here, I’ve only once been in a situation I was genuinely scared for my life, but I’m more so referring to especially middle schoolers yelling slurs, spitting at me, following me or generally bothering me and my friends.

A common one I get is groups of boys coming up to me and asking me ‘what I am’, as I look visibly trans in an androgynous way that often makes people unsure how to address me, or they’ll follow me and start filming or shit like that.

The Netherlands is generally pretty tolerant to queer people, but I wouldn’t want to be tripping balls and have something like that happen, hence why I’d only want to trip like that with my friends either inside or at a public place where there aren’t many teenagers, like a forest or a park. Also why I don’t like the commercialized techno raves or big festivals, I like being able to wear my queer kinky outfits when raving haha

Wow, I've had people follow me without even filming me and if they won't answer why they're there they just immediately have a fight on their hands, usually they run first though. I think the fact that I am bigger built than most other people, and have been engaged in a lot of violence in my life out of necessity, it landed me in a place where when people trigger the behavioral cues of noticing someone who's possibly going to be a threat, I'd rather them know that I'm the apex predator of the situation. I trip as often as physically possible, and there have been 3 incidents of violence, ayahuasca, mushrooms, and DOM respectively on the three iirc. I genuinely believe they enhanced my performance in those situations.