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🏛️ Politics 🏛️ The narritive that fent + midazolam IV is painful to death sentences

Dr. John Thackery

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they try and say the prisoner is gasping and suffering for this execution method.

iv fent + midazolam feels amazing and you don’t remember or feel even a thick cord stuck up your ass to your throat during a colonoscopy on it. so you feel nothing.

seems like the most humane thing possible for execution- almost fun.

this narrative that it tortures the prisoners is such BS
 
From what i know of overdoses when you take enough fent to od your body automatically fights it. Midaz isnt a anesthetic ether its basically just super xanax. I think i may have had it before my wisdom teeth surgery.

Personally id take the firing squad over a od anyday
 
From what i know of overdoses when you take enough fent to od your body automatically fights it. Midaz isnt a anesthetic ether its basically just super xanax. I think i may have had it before my wisdom teeth surgery.

Personally id take the firing squad over a od anyday
No you body does not fight with a fent overdose. Nor is it painful. You just kinda nod off and don't wake up. The painful part comes from the rescue or CPR, naloxone, hospital stay where ever nurse and doctor treating you worse than you could ever possibly imagine. Speaking from personal experience as well as friends.

Besides that's an easy fix. High enough dose of almost every benzo won't kill you out right. Just put you to sleep for a very very long time. So high dose of midazolam wait for the patient to become basically comatose. The. Administer the fentanyl. Painless death while asleep. Much less painful than the cocktail we use now. Hell they administer a paralytic just so the people watching don't get traumatized. A paralytic does fuck all for the pain they go through especially when the doses are botched. Eliminating 1 drug brings us down to just 2. Much easier to make mistakes when dealing with more substances that weren't meant to be mixed in the first place.

I'm not a proponent of the death penalty. It costs the justice system more than just a lifetime sentence. Not to mention the countless of innocents that were wrongly convicted then put to the needle. However, I am all for making the process easier for the doctors and less painful for those that must go through it.
 
What do they use for assisted suicides? Surely that would work just as well.
Of course, I to guess there is no guarantee that medically assisted suicides are free of suffering either
 
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As someone that's nearly ODed on a bunch of strong opioids with benzos thrown through in I can tell you that your body does fight and it is terrifying. Even with a massive dose there will be a period of intense fear as you realize you can no longer control your breathing.

I once spent 4-6 hours laying in a chair overdosing on Oxymorphone+oxycodone+Xanax combo. It was horrifying.

This new combo is much worse than the Barbiturates they're attempting to replace. Which puts the person out cold before they inject the cocktail to stop the heart which ensures they feel nothing.
 
As someone that's nearly ODed on a bunch of strong opioids with benzos thrown through in I can tell you that your body does fight and it is terrifying. Even with a massive dose there will be a period of intense fear as you realize you can no longer control your breathing.

I once spent 4-6 hours laying in a chair overdosing on Oxymorphone+oxycodone+Xanax combo. It was horrifying.

This new combo is much worse than the Barbiturates they're attempting to replace. Which puts the person out cold before they inject the cocktail to stop the heart which ensures they feel nothing.
I was on some ridiculous combo of mixed fentalogues, mixed rc benzo unknown doseages..... I'm not denying your experience just sharing mine. One minute high as a kite nodding off the next waking up in the ambulance. Never an oh shit I can't breathe, there was never a moment of fear or panic; let alone pain.

I guess like all things to do with drugs dosage plays a huge role. I'd put money on it that if you upped the Xanax and/or the oxymorphone dose you wouldn't have hours of contemplation, fear, and pain. Hell you probably wouldn't be here, I was fucking lucky.
 
I was on some ridiculous combo of mixed fentalogues, mixed rc benzo unknown doseages..... I'm not denying your experience just sharing mine. One minute high as a kite nodding off the next waking up in the ambulance. Never an oh shit I can't breathe, there was never a moment of fear or panic; let alone pain.

I guess like all things to do with drugs dosage plays a huge role. I'd put money on it that if you upped the Xanax and/or the oxymorphone dose you wouldn't have hours of contemplation, fear, and pain. Hell you probably wouldn't be here, I was fucking lucky.
I agree I'm sure it's possible just to go lights out. I've done it myself but never woken up in the ambulance or ER. Plus there is a huge difference between IV vs nasal use like I was doing.

One of the main reasons this combo is getting so much bad press is the fact that the first time they attempted it they screwed up bad. They put the IV in the guys thigh instead of his arm and it slipped out or was never put in correctly to start with. So when they started dosing him they were really only doing IM instead of IV. So the fent+benzo wasn't as effective as it should have been and they kept giving him more. Then when they went to give him the drugs to stop his heart that also went in IM. Which burns very badly when you put it in a muscle (so I've heard).

They basically botched the entire thing and what should have taken minutes took near (or over?) and hour. Imagine sitting there feeling the thing that's going to kill you slowly working its way from your groin up to your chest. Must have been horrible. I can't remember what he did to get the death sentence but I know some people will argue that he deserved it. It's still cruel and unusual punishment.

I still fell the classic barbiturates will always be far more effective as the first drug since they're designed to put you lights out and for you to stay lights out. An opioid+benzo mix while powerful can never mimic what those old school barbiturates are capable of. The barbiturates are so effective (well some of them) that you can take them orally as liquid and it alone will kill you. It's lights out within a minute or two then you eventually stop breathing while in a very deep sleep. It's what the clinics over in the EU use for assisted suicides. They give it as a small drink about the side of a double shooter shot glass.

If you're interested there is video on youtube somewhere where they administer either this barbiturate or a closely related one to an old woman. They show the entire procedure and it's wild. They tell her if she drinks it that she'll die. The old woman hugs and kisses her family that is there to witness it. Then she drinks it. Afterwards she's given a piece of chocolate to try to mask the horrible taste. Within about 30 seconds she's already out of it and they don't give her any more chocolate because of the choking hazard. She falls asleep and is laying in the bed for about 10 minutes. Then they roll her into a private room and she dies within the hour.

That company (sorry I forget the name) did many assisted suicides for patients from all over the world. They had a strict list of requirements you had to meet before they'd consider you. I forget how much they charged but it wasn't cheap. I don't know if they're still around. Last I heard they got in trouble for throwing urns full of their patients ashes into the local river.

I'm iffy about this new method because it involves two classes of drugs commonly used by the general public. Meaning the tolerance is going to vary from person to person. They can always inject more but knowing how the state and for-profit prisons work I bet they try to get away with the bare minimum every time.

Another issue with this is doctors are not supposed to assist or administer the injections. Since they're bound by their oath to do no harm. So I think they're usually done by a nurse or someone on prison staff that isn't a doctor. There is a doctor in the room and I think he can give advice. But he's mostly there just to conform the prisoner is dead after things are over with.

My question is: Why can't America simply produce the barbiturates themselves? We keep hearing this a lot lately. That we can't get this or that drug because we don't make them domestically anymore. I think it's wild that it's a-okay to give the stuff to dogs and cats but giving it to human is a big no-no now. As far as I know every vet in the country has this stuff sitting on a shelf somewhere inside of their building.
 
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they try and say the prisoner is gasping and suffering for this execution method.

iv fent + midazolam feels amazing and you don’t remember or feel even a thick cord stuck up your ass to your throat during a colonoscopy on it. so you feel nothing.

seems like the most humane thing possible for execution- almost fun.

this narrative that it tortures the prisoners is such BS
I never understood why they overcomplicate it by trying to prescribe all these specific paralytics and a series of specific pharmacological events leading to death. I would imagine its just a symptom of endgame capitalism.

Look at the countless people being revived after narcan and then actually being pissed off. They were clearly not experiencing any unusual distress or pain from dying that way. I have had multiple overdoses myself... If I had to choose a way to go just give me 300mg diacetylmorphine please, just maybe not all at once so I can enjoy it for a few minutes before the strange music starts.
 
I agree I'm sure it's possible just to go lights out. I've done it myself but never woken up in the ambulance or ER. Plus there is a huge difference between IV vs nasal use like I was doing.

One of the main reasons this combo is getting so much bad press is the fact that the first time they attempted it they screwed up bad. They put the IV in the guys thigh instead of his arm and it slipped out or was never put in correctly to start with. So when they started dosing him they were really only doing IM instead of IV. So the fent+benzo wasn't as effective as it should have been and they kept giving him more. Then when they went to give him the drugs to stop his heart that also went in IM. Which burns very badly when you put it in a muscle (so I've heard).

They basically botched the entire thing and what should have taken minutes took near (or over?) and hour. Imagine sitting there feeling the thing that's going to kill you slowly working its way from your groin up to your chest. Must have been horrible. I can't remember what he did to get the death sentence but I know some people will argue that he deserved it. It's still cruel and unusual punishment.

I still fell the classic barbiturates will always be far more effective as the first drug since they're designed to put you lights out and for you to stay lights out. An opioid+benzo mix while powerful can never mimic what those old school barbiturates are capable of. The barbiturates are so effective (well some of them) that you can take them orally as liquid and it alone will kill you. It's lights out within a minute or two then you eventually stop breathing while in a very deep sleep. It's what the clinics over in the EU use for assisted suicides. They give it as a small drink about the side of a double shooter shot glass.

If you're interested there is video on youtube somewhere where they administer either this barbiturate or a closely related one to an old woman. They show the entire procedure and it's wild. They tell her if she drinks it that she'll die. The old woman hugs and kisses her family that is there to witness it. Then she drinks it. Afterwards she's given a piece of chocolate to try to mask the horrible taste. Within about 30 seconds she's already out of it and they don't give her any more chocolate because of the choking hazard. She falls asleep and is laying in the bed for about 10 minutes. Then they roll her into a private room and she dies within the hour.

That company (sorry I forget the name) did many assisted suicides for patients from all over the world. They had a strict list of requirements you had to meet before they'd consider you. I forget how much they charged but it wasn't cheap. I don't know if they're still around. Last I heard they got in trouble for throwing urns full of their patients ashes into the local river.

I'm iffy about this new method because it involves two classes of drugs commonly used by the general public. Meaning the tolerance is going to vary from person to person. They can always inject more but knowing how the state and for-profit prisons work I bet they try to get away with the bare minimum every time.

Another issue with this is doctors are not supposed to assist or administer the injections. Since they're bound by their oath to do no harm. So I think they're usually done by a nurse or someone on prison staff that isn't a doctor. There is a doctor in the room and I think he can give advice. But he's mostly there just to conform the prisoner is dead after things are over with.

My question is: Why can't America simply produce the barbiturates themselves? We keep hearing this a lot lately. That we can't get this or that drug because we don't make them domestically anymore. I think it's wild that it's a-okay to give the stuff to dogs and cats but giving it to human is a big no-no now. As far as I know every vet in the country has this stuff sitting on a shelf somewhere inside of their building.
All my use has been intranasal up until recently where I'll occasionally smoke. Never touched a needle never will. I know myself too well lol.

Interesting, I actually hadn't heard about that case. If only there were documented cases of the current drug regime failing....oh wait there are numerous.... If only a sample size of 1 could be called a rigorous study that we could use to make educated decisions about serious things like how to administer death. (Sarcasm not directed at you but the folks that are cherry picking this one case)

The tolerance thing is dealt with daily by the folks in anesthesiology. Not the hardest hurdle by far.

I think the barbiturate situation is due to the rise of the benzo class of drugs. Pretty much all the same effects except the safety profile is better by orders of magnitude in some cases. But I agree barbs would be a perfect solution. Unfortunately, the American industrial complex decided that weapons are far more important than medications.

That's why I proposed a massive does of midazolam with a waiting period for the "patient" to fall into a benzo coma. Then proceed with administering the fent.
 
From what i know of overdoses when you take enough fent to od your body automatically fights it.
I have read this about massive acute IV overdoses, that the body recognizes it and you have a few seconds before unconsciousness to warn others.

However, I have never experienced it myself. Every opioid overdose I've had there was no line between pleasure and unconsciousness. And I have had at least 7 narcan episodes. I mainly smoke, and I haven't even had a relapse on heroin/fent for 6 years.

I have never used IV though outside of pharma/hospitals. Probably why I am still alive writing this.
 
I have read this about massive acute IV overdoses, that the body recognizes it and you have a few seconds before unconsciousness to warn others.

However, I have never experienced it myself. Every opioid overdose I've had there was no line between pleasure and unconsciousness. And I have had at least 7 narcan episodes. I mainly smoke, and I haven't even had a relapse on heroin/fent for 6 years.

I have never used IV though outside of pharma/hospitals.
I think what we're getting at here is it is dose dependent. If you take juussst enough to OD you get the fight or flight response. Take way more than enough and it's chillin on the couch one second and being woken up my narcan the next without a clue as to how long you've been out.
 
I think what we're getting at here is it is dose dependent. If you take juussst enough to OD you get the fight or flight response. Take way more than enough and it's chillin on the couch one second and being woken up my narcan the next without a clue as to how long you've been out.
I can see how too much too quickly might illicit an allergic or sympathetic nervous response, which is honestly how a lot of those reports read.

I was never that aggressive with heroin, most if not all of my ODs were multidrug toxicity.
 
Well since we're mainly talking fent and it's analogues I'd have to say about yay (.) much lol
From my one and only experience with fent I'd be inclined to agree. Shit sucked. I really haven't touched any major opioid for at least 14 years. Only minor or recovery related ones.
 
From my one and only experience with fent I'd be inclined to agree. Shit sucked. I really haven't touched any major opioid for at least 14 years. Only minor or recovery related ones.
Unfortunately, I ran out fent for awhile definitely regret those lost years...

Man I remember about 10-15 years ago when I could still find real dope more those days.

The funny thing is I'd put an insane amount of money I don't possess on the fact of you got a bunch of active users in a room with roxis, hydromorphone, oxymorphone (personal fucking favorite alas I'll probably never see a 🐼 again), heroin, and fentanyl along with some of the popular analogues. Damn near everyone in the room would be grabbing fist fulls of roxis, hydromorphone, oxymorphone, and H. The fent would be sitting there like the redheaded stepchild.

It's a drug no addict truly likes. But they're forced onto it because good luck finding real H outside the onion patch.

This war on drugs is a laughing stock. Back in the late 2000s early aughts, I wanna say 2009-2012 Portugal decriminalized every substance. Illegal to sell and possess. Couldn't be obliterated in public. Instead of arresting users they took the harm reduction approach. Offering treatment, safe injection materials and sites, etc.

The international political community went apeshit. They said Portugal's drug users and subsequently drug related deaths would skyrocket.

Guess what?

After only 2 years of that legislation; the amount of drug users decreased significantly as well as overdose deaths.

I wrote my senior dissertation for my poli sci degree with a focus on international politics. I don't remember the numbers anymore but I still have the paper if you or anyone else in this thread would like a looksee just reply or drop me a dm
 
Hell man, what's the difference between a "final dinner" and a "final few minute high"?
In the USA you don't even get a final meal these days. They serve up whatever slop they served the rest of the prisoners on that particular day. Imagine getting some mystery meat with a side of instant potatoes and a high fructose corn syrup "fruit" cup along with some flavor aid as your final meal.

The for-profit prison system in the USA today is wild. They've got it down to $1 per meal per prisoner now and they're always looking for ways to reduce it further. The canned mystery meat I serve my cats on a daily basis looks like a 5 star meal in comparison. The worst part is back during the Obama years when they were praising Big Mike for the "healthy school lunches" program all they really did was start supplying every child in the country with the same meals they serve to the for-profit and federal prisons. Before the middle of the 2000s each school district in the country was preparing school lunches locally and the little old lunch ladies sporting the stray facial hairs were making the food every day fresh. There were some districts that were using local and regional vendors for some meals sure but for the most part the lunch ladies had control over the menu and prepared the food themselves. Same was true of the prisons and jails. They had prisoners working in the kitchens that were prepping the meals in the prison kitchen.

Now a big truck shows up once or twice a week with the meals already prepared. Just heat and serve. It's the Taco Bell and McRib business model. The meat is whatever scraps were left over after the good cuts were taken off the animal and the fruit/veggies are the crap left over after the stuff that had shelf appeal was already pulled out of the lot. In other words. It's absolutely disgusting.

It's the same thing we're seeing all through society. If you're in the 1% you're getting 5-star meals three times a day. Everyone else is forced to survive on what used to be considered dog food. They've just figured out how to make the crap they used to serve to dogs look and taste more appealing with injection molding, meat glue and a heavy dose of sugar. No real refined sugar of course that would be too expensive.

I suppose it's only natural they'd be serving the same food in the public schools as they serve in the prisons. Public school in America trains you for living in prison or a factory (same thing really).

Of course if you can afford it you can send your child to a private/charter school where they still treat and feed them like actual human beings. Other countries do not have this problem. At least not the other first world countries. Pretty much every other western country still prepares food locally in both their prisons and public school system. It looks like gourmet cuisine compared to what you get in America. It's typically cheap to. For $2-$3 a meal they're churning out meals that would cost you $10 over here these days.

The food situation in America isn't talked about enough. It's wild to me that even the EU wouldn't put up with it. The EU passed a law about 10-15 years ago that said they were going to watch what happened to America for about 20 years before they made a decision on allowing what's happened to the American food supply into their countries. I'm going to go out on a limb and guess they aren't going to adopt our methods any time soon. Since we've gone bad shit insane over the past two decades and the food is a big part of that I'm sure. I'm sure that most of the cancers are being caused by what's being let into our food supply and the fact that people are eating so much processed garbage on a daily basis now. I'm also going to guess that the vast majority of Americans haven't eaten actual fresh food in a long time. Well at least not the ones that aren't living like the 1% at the top.

They won't even serve you real food now. A basic human right. So it isn't much wonder why they don't give two fucks about causing horrible pain to people that are scheduled to be put to death. I don't know why we even bother with any of this lethal injection crap. The gas chamber and noose was already quick, effective and relatively painless. Hell even the firing squad was pretty quick and painless. The only reason lethal injection looked more humane compared to what we had before is due to the fact that a bunch of mad men thought the chair was a great idea. Even though it required doing stuff like stuffing cotton up your asshole so you didn't shit all over yourself and it got botched all of the time.

They won't even give you a last smoke or let you get one last taste of some decent food. I can tell you that I know the prisoners over here eat total garbage. You know what they all want when they rarely get real food? They don't reach for the pizza, the steak, or even the ice cream. They wall want greens. Since they never get served actual vegetables. I know someone that works at a prison and they served a handful of inmates a Thanksgiving dinner a few years ago for good behavior. They thought they'd go ape shit for real turkey, gravy and pie so they made sure to get extra of that. They barely touched it. They all just wanted more green beans, collard greens, broccoli and okra. It was the first time some of them had seen greens in decades.

Their mood was visibly improved for weeks after that. But someone talked and word got back up the chain to someone who put a stopped to this and threatened to fire everyone involved with feeding them real food. Said it was unfair to the other prisoners. In reality, they just didn't want them having access to actual food since they're charging them $10+ for basic shit like a small jar of peanut butter and bags of chips. The food the prison serves them is such garbage because they're making millions of dollars every quarter off selling them junk food on commissary. Last I checked they're charging them over $2 a pop for ramen noodles. By pack I mean one packet not the multi-packs you can buy at the store for $1 on the outside. They've moved on to tablets now and I think those are like $200 a month to rent. Something crazy like that. Before the tablets they were selling mp3 players for $150 each. Then $5 per song. The person I know that works at the prison used to have the job of going up to death row once a week and taking the song requests. Then she'd hook their mp3 players up to a PC they had and download whatever songs they wanted and bring them back. Some of those guys had dumped over $1k into a handful of albums.

The state they work in hasn't killed anyone in years now. They keep filling up death row with new inmates every year. "Death" is basically just a life sentence now. The prison prefers it that way because they're making bank selling those guys cookies, chips, noodles and stuff like TVs, game consoles and renting out use of tablets with very limited internet access. The whole system is really fucked up. It's the largest growing industry in that state and has been for decades now. They're building new private prisons all of the time. It ranks just behind tourism and is expected to surpass the tourism industry in the next decade.
 
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