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PMMA aka "dr death" - beware of fake MDMA

Fuck that shite that's been dyed or is just tainted and impure, and the cola MDMA. That's not what it's meant to look like.

Can see why you did it though if you had good purple stuff beforehand.

Hopefully this is a warning to anyone else else.

Whoever did this to you has some seriously bad karma in the post.
 
PMMA Has Been Known To Cause EXTREME Responses Ever Since The Days Of The Hive.
 
BadBoy377 said:
Fuck that shite that's been dyed or is just tainted and impure, and the cola MDMA. That's not what it's meant to look like.

Can see why you did it though if you had good purple stuff beforehand.

Hopefully this is a warning to anyone else else.

Whoever did this to you has some seriously bad karma in the post.
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Yeah in retrospect the purple stuff he sent me last time was much darker purple. This stuff looked whack but at the time I was so excited to get high I didn't stop to look at all the warning and discrepancies.
 
Themailman said:
Yes. I ended up going to the hospital 5 days after ingestion and requested tox analysis.
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did you receive the raw data? was it lcms tested for PMMA by urine (or blood etc)

if it was not tested via mass spec looking for PMMA it was likely just the hospital making up the first thing that shows on mdma poisoning horror stories on the internet which is pmma.

of all they did was an immunoassay it could be any of thousands of nasty amphetamine analogues.

regardless of what it was; sorry it happened. vendors like this should be exposed on the scene i hope you are doing that.

and i hope the market is banning them also if they did this.
 
Dr. John Thackery said:
did you receive the raw data? was it lcms tested for PMMA by urine (or blood etc)
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I just checked and it hasn't been posted to my mychart yet, maybe tomorrow, the doctor called me with the results. All I see is my typical bloodwork numbers.

Dr. John Thackery said:
regardless of what it was; sorry it happened. vendors like this should be exposed on the scene i hope you are doing that.

and i hope the market is banning them also if they did this.
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I reported the vendor to the dnm mods. I made a warning post on dread trying to warn people. I also messaged the vendor himself and have only heard silence. I am not the only victim. At least 1 person has died due to ingesting this batch from the vendor.
 
Themailman said:
Yeah in retrospect the purple stuff he sent me last time was much darker purple.
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So this would be Chinese-made 'moonrock' whose purple colour is now understood and established?

I can 100% see a Chinese producer simply employing that famous Chinese saying to whit 'if you can cheat, cheat'.

Because other than the specific allylbenzene, the synthesis of MDMA and PMMA are nigh on identical. I did post the GC-MS/NMR pair and noted that it was ring-halogenated side-products that resulted in the colour. So purple = impure. I had thought that the makers had ironed that one out BUT if people trust purple, purple it will be. It's a buyers market.

PMMA is somewhat like 4MTA in that it appears to be a potent MAOI but it appears slightly better tolerated at low doses but more dangerous because people aren't warned by the toxic symptoms of PMA (an active metabolite) and consume more. So it IS a trap.

Odd thing, Angie Bowie (DBs first wife) wrote about her knowing a 'cook' who produced PMA which she likened to bing at the top of a roller-coaster and after the slowly, slowly ride up, it was a fast, exhilarating rush to the bottom. I think she even commented that it was nowhere nearly as good as MDA. I believe she dated it to 1972 ± 1 year.

I can only repeat that playing the 'mystery powder' game is not one I've even taken part in. I've only ever consumed things I knew the composition of. I suspect it's why I'm not dead. If I design it, I am Guinea Pig Zero. It's neither nobel not laudable - I just think it a self-evident truth that killing oneself is ones own choice, while killing others by misrepresentation is active nihilism.

Get well soon.

I strongly suspect that the clinicians are telling you the worst case scenario to scare you into more sensible usage. Not lying, just judging their patient, considering the outcomes and parsing the information in a way most likely to result in the BEST outcomes.
 
This is probably gonna be another night I’m gonna regret lol


Just don’t nobody ever tell me about it ok? Lol
 
I actually misunderstood. I thought the OP had purchased PMMA on purpose from a DNM vendor which seemed more likely to me. Bad/fake MDMA doesn't necessarily mean PMMA.

You'd want to use a multi panel assay to determine if you have PMMA or MDMA. If it is a mixture of both substances, the MDMA reactions tend to be darker and may overpower the presence of PMMA if it is present. You might see multiple colors though which could confuse things. You can also use Simeons reagent to differentiate between PMA/MDA and PMMA/MDMA respectively.

In general, I'd think it more likely to be a cathinone adulterant over a PMx adulterant.
 
Didgital said:
I actually misunderstood. I thought the OP had purchased PMMA on purpose from a DNM vendor which seemed more likely to me. Bad/fake MDMA doesn't necessarily mean PMMA.

You'd want to use a multi panel assay to determine if you have PMMA or MDMA. If it is a mixture of both substances, the MDMA reactions tend to be darker and may overpower the presence of PMMA if it is present. You might see multiple colors though which could confuse things. You can also use Simeons reagent to differentiate between PMA/MDA and PMMA/MDMA respectively.

In general, I'd think it more likely to be a cathinone adulterant over a PMx adulterant.
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I was thoroughly bamboozled and it was sold as MDMA.

I am very well versed with typical substitutes and the plethora of cathinones including the new wave of methylenedioxy pyros such as MDPIHP, flourinated amps, etc. It was not those. I wish it was. I wouldnt have thrown it in the trash.

The material I was given belonged in the toilet. Nowhere else. It had zero dopaminergic activity, in fact it was not psychoactive at all really. It was not a cathinone. It was PMMA.

I'm honestly confused why some people here seem to have the impression PMMA is interesting. Its not. Even PIHKAL confirms its nonactive at 110mg. It was probably the least enjoyable drug experience I've ever had followed by immediate acute irreversible damage to my body. It gave me an instant molly hangover followed by 15hr of tweak and insomnia. It gave me a headache which only began to fade after 8 days. It made my piss burn for 5 days. My kidneys hurt for 12 days. I am only now beginning to feel somewhat recovered after 2 weeks. The shit sent me back to the hospital which I was very reluctant to go for personal reasons.

Admittedly I did drink alcohol during the initial experience which certainly increased overall toxicity, because I was so pissed about not being high and also needed to counteract the tweaky NET activity
 
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Hey guys. So I just got out of prison recently after being buried alive with a 43 year aggregate sentence... I ultimately ended up beating all the charges but it took 12 years of going through hell to do so. And boy has the world changed. You can't even find real mdma or e in ny anymore. I was almost starting to believe that it no longer exists. And that's tragic too, because I really miss it. I'm not sure yet how to access the dark web, but is this guy's experience common? That if i were to find someone on there saying they have e or mdma I can't trust that it will be that? Any clarification would be greatly appreciated guys, thanks
 
You take your chances, mate.

If you really want it find a vendor with good reviews, buy some. Then send it away for testing. There are at home reagent kits you can test with too but that would just confirm the presence of MDMA not adulterants. So safer sending for professional analysis. Patience n play the long game. It absolutely is out there.

Get it tested professionally and then your not gambling. That's my advice.

Welcome back to the world 🙂
 
NYstateOFmind2026 said:
Hey guys. So I just got out of prison recently after being buried alive with a 43 year aggregate sentence... I ultimately ended up beating all the charges but it took 12 years of going through hell to do so. And boy has the world changed. You can't even find real mdma or e in ny anymore. I was almost starting to believe that it no longer exists. And that's tragic too, because I really miss it. I'm not sure yet how to access the dark web, but is this guy's experience common? That if i were to find someone on there saying they have e or mdma I can't trust that it will be that? Any clarification would be greatly appreciated guys, thanks
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Congrats on getting out man

But yeah the drug scene has changed A LOT in the last 12 years. Real MDMA and ketamine are actually quite plentiful and easy to find on the dark net compared to 10 years ago. Also very very cheap compared to 10 years ago. A gram of k used to cost $100. Now I get 4g for $62.

Real MDMA is also cheap and plentiful, however do not buy pills. All the pills are fake and have an RCs like 4-FMA or 3-4 CMC, etc. Quite a few MDMA like RC drugs now. Crystal molly is typically real.

Street drugs are shit now, its basically all fake RCs. Heroin and oxy basically do not exist anymore, its all fet now. Pharma opioids are basically impossible to get unless you have a literal fucking gunshot wound or something. Its crazy how stingy they are with them now. The "opioid crisis" came and went in the last 12 years. Fent started showing up big time in 2012/2013. Although real stuff can be found, its very expensive, and you need to assume EVERYTHING is fentanyl, either laced or just straight up fet. I would advise to just stay away from opioids in general for this reason. Fent will kill you quicker than you can say "911, bring narcan!".

Things have changed quite a lot. I highly advise you teach yourself how to use the dark net. Google "the dark net bible", this is a good place to start and will teach you the fundamentals. Not only are the drugs typically real and higher purity on the dark net, they are also cheaper than the street. But you can't let your guard down on the dark net either, plenty of bunk and fake shit there as well... just don't be stingy and buy the cheapest stuff on the dark net and you should be just fine and get good, real stuff.

You need to buy some fentanyl test strips and some reagent kits. Its basically required these days. They be putting fent in everything bro even shit like coke, benzo pills, etc. Things you would not expect.

Get some drug testing kits, assume everyrhing is laced with fent until proven otherwise, learn the dark net, and never buy the cheapest option. Paying that extra $5, $10, or $20 for a bag can make all the difference in the world.

Also find a local harm reduction organization and get yourself some Narcan, at least 2 doses. (Most kits come with 2 doses). Even if you don't use opioids, overdoses are so common now that there is a real chance you might randomly save someone's life. I personally carry around 2 doses in my car and 4 at my house.
 
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HeadphonesandLSD said:
I'm sorry this happened to you. People that do this sort of thing deserve to suffer.
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No One Deserves To Suffer,
But
400 mg Of PMMA Is Way Too Much.

I Wonder If Taking A Much Lower Dosage, Such As 40 mg (a 10x reduction) Or 4 mg (a 100x reduction) Would Make A Difference?
 
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Rectify said:
No One Deserves To Suffer,
But
400 mg Of PMMA Is Way Too Much.

I Wonder If Taking A Much Lower Dosage, Such As 40 mg (a 10x reduction) Or 4 mg (a 100x reduction) Would Make A Difference?
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I snorted 50mg and it was even less enjoyable than higher doses. It also felt caustic and caused the lining of my sinus to peel off and evacuate itself, although it still tasted and physically felt similar to snorting mdma, just without the high.

It makes me think we are talking about different substances. The stuff I had was not enjoyable at any dose or any ROA.

I took 400mg over the course of 3 days not all at once. My doses were 200mg oral, 150mg oral, and 50mg intranasal, over 3 different days.

Frankly it was idiotic of me to continue using it after my initial dose, I was just really disappointed because most of that order was someone else's money and I have to pay them back, and I also initially thought some antipsychotics I had taken the day before were blocking the high, but I couldn't have been more wrong, it was bunk shit.
 
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Honestly.. would a hospital typically check for PMA/PMMA when doing blood tests? It's kind of an obscure compound..
 
Didgital said:
Honestly.. would a hospital typically check for PMA/PMMA when doing blood tests? It's kind of an obscure compound..
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no. not even dedicated drug testing labs (for human biological samples) test for this compound. nobody in medical clinical settings would identify this compound

it would react with amphetamine reagents in immunoassay and that’s about it….a false positive for amphetamine or methamp in a testing methods that can’t discriminate well between amphetamines.

drug testing labs look for a whole suit of specific drugs via mass spectrometry to be absolutely sure of what compound is there….but they only confirm a compound if it’s looked for. they don’t identify random esoteric compounds - this is a job for a forensic toxicology lab or a drug sample testing lab that is very specifically told loook for this compound l.
 
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