PMMA aka "dr death" - beware of fake MDMA

[Themailman]

I was recently poisoned by the insidious PMMA aka Para-Methoxymethamphetamine. I survived but am left with permanent organ damage.

I had established what I thought was a good relationship with a dark net vendor. He sent me a gram of good MDMA as a sample before I made a larger order. The second order was PMMA not MDMA.

PMMA is insidious because at first it passes reagent testing. It also looks and tastes just like MDMA. The effects are delayed and at first the effects felt enough like MDMA that I thought some APs left in my system were messing with my roll, so I took more. 400mg almost killed me and left me with permanent organ damage (liver & kidneys).

I don’t really know what the point of this post is other than a general warning. I pride myself on my HR knowledge and avoiding these exact situations. Never let your guard down, and never trust drug dealers.

Deaths from exposure to paramethoxymethamphetamine in Alberta and British Columbia, Canada: a case series - PMC

Paramethoxymethamphetamine (PMMA) is a ring-substituted amphetamine similar in structure to 3,4-methylenedioxymethamphetamine (MDMA or “ecstasy”), but substantially more toxic. We describe the clinical features of fatal exposures in the provinces of ...

pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

para-Methoxymethamphetamine - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[cosmosmariner]

God, this is awful. I wish for you a full recovery.

Thanks for this warning.

 

[ions]

If your product is anything other than white. it has an impurity in it. Like purple or beige. The purple has dyes in it to make it look cool, which there are good purple mdmas out there. But the dye is designed to pass a reagent test and look legit.

As far as qualitative testing with reagents, white mdma and a positive test is a little more sure to be unadulterated. You never know tho unless you have a GC/MS.

 

[BadBoy377]

That's terrible, mate.

Wishing you well in your recovery. I hope life has good things coming for you.

Take care,

BB

 

[Esperighanto]

Was PMMA verified via reagent testing, metabolite analysis, or another form of analysis?

PMMA is exceptionally rare, I've personally been in pursuit of both PMA and PMMA for a while on the market and have never come across them. Was this false representation of MDMA something that occurred in Europe?

 

[Themailman]

Was PMMA verified via reagent testing, metabolite analysis, or another form of analysis?

Yes. I ended up going to the hospital 5 days after ingestion and requested tox analysis. In retrospect I should have gone much sooner. It aged my kidneys 30 years. My liver is still swollen. This is 10 days post ingestion.

PMMA is exceptionally rare

After speaking with a clandestine chemist friend of mine, it would only be rare because nobody intentionally makes it because its toxicity is well established. It is both easier and cheaper to make than MDMA. Also, this occurred in the US.

I am telling you to avoid experimenting with it. Its a terrible high which feels 95% peripheral. Physically, I felt like I had overdosed on MDMA, but mentally I felt nothing other than a high reminiscent of propylhexadrine. Zero euphoria, doesn't even touch dopamine, all tweak and NET activity. Caused profuse sweating and hyperthermia. This is not a molecule anyone should ingest. It is not interesting and barely psychoactive and ACUTELY toxic.

If getting an instant headache and nausea from taking too much mdma then not being able to sleep for 15 hours while you feel progressively more sick and then your kidneys start hurting sounds fun to you, then sure seek it out.

 

[Esperighanto]

It is both easier and cheaper to make than MDMA. Also, this occurred in the US.

Oh yeah it's absolutely trivial to whip up, and honestly upon hearing from you and reflecting on the widespread toxicity, my plans to try even just a threshold dose are much more unappealing.

 

[Themailman]

Oh yeah it's absolutely trivial to whip up, and honestly upon hearing from you and reflecting on the widespread toxicity, my plans to try even just a threshold dose are much more unappealing.

Snorted 50mg of it and my sinuses were fucked up for a week. I could feel a whole layer of my sinus peel off and shed. Bloody and brown bugers, my body reacted to a strong toxic agent. Acutely toxic to the body at any dose or ROA. It felt caustic.

 

[Featherfall]

Oh yeah it's absolutely trivial to whip up, and honestly upon hearing from you and reflecting on the widespread toxicity, my plans to try even just a threshold dose are much more unappealing.

even for a person like you, this seems like a scopolamine type, just genuinly, no reason in any universe to ever touch it beyond a strange form of masochism

 

[HeadphonesandLSD]

I'm sorry this happened to you. People that do this sort of thing deserve to suffer.

 

[Didgital]

I'm assuming you actually have PMMA as you bought it off the darknet.

Damn tho. Multiple permanent organ damage from 400mg.

Think I'll be staying far the F away. Would not research it myself. I'd always been a bit tempted, but this report scares me off completely.

 

[Didgital]

I was recently poisoned by the insidious PMMA aka Para-Methoxymethamphetamine. I survived but am left with permanent organ damage.

I had established what I thought was a good relationship with a dark net vendor. He sent me a gram of good MDMA as a sample before I made a larger order. The second order was PMMA not MDMA.

PMMA is insidious because at first it passes reagent testing. It also looks and tastes just like MDMA. The effects are delayed and at first the effects felt enough like MDMA that I thought some APs left in my system were messing with my roll, so I took more. 400mg almost killed me and left me with permanent organ damage (liver & kidneys).

I don’t really know what the point of this post is other than a general warning. I pride myself on my HR knowledge and avoiding these exact situations. Never let your guard down, and never trust drug dealers.

Deaths from exposure to paramethoxymethamphetamine in Alberta and British Columbia, Canada: a case series - PMC

Paramethoxymethamphetamine (PMMA) is a ring-substituted amphetamine similar in structure to 3,4-methylenedioxymethamphetamine (MDMA or “ecstasy”), but substantially more toxic. We describe the clinical features of fatal exposures in the provinces of ...

pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

para-Methoxymethamphetamine - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Should not pass the standard marquis reagent?

 

[red22]

Does it feel like it might be enjoyable at a low dose?

Also, coincidence, Dr. Death crossed my mind a minute before I saw this thread

 

[Rectify]

Probably.

400 mg Of PMMA Is Way Too Much.

Felicia & I Thoroughly Enjoyed Our PMA Pink Superman Pills While On Vacation In NOLA.

Felt Like Very Good MDMA.

 

[Rectify]

Also, MDMA Smells Like Licorice, While PMMA (which I named TAYLOR) Smells Like Aniseed.

 

[Didgital]

Also, MDMA Smells Like Licorice, While PMMA (which I named TAYLOR) Smells Like Aniseed.

MDMA root beer
pma = liquorice

 

[Themailman]

Should not pass the standard marquis reagent?

At first glance it seemed to pass. In retrospect it did not. It may have passed due to being laced with enough real mdma.

It instantly turned black with fresh Marquis, but there was also purple that showed up and did not go away. I was so giddy to receive my drugs I blew this off as possible purple dye used to brand the product (it was purple mdma). Another thing that was off was I noticed a small amount of smoke coming off the reaction and a lot of bubbles like some exothermic reaction. I blew this off as well.

These are the results after 1 min:

 

[Didgital]

At first glance it seemed to pass. In retrospect it did not. It may have passed due to being laced with enough real mdma.

It instantly turned black with fresh Marquis, but there was also purple that showed up and did not go away. I was so giddy to receive my drugs I blew this off as possible purple dye used to brand the product (it was purple mdma). Another thing that was off was I noticed a small amount of smoke coming off the reaction and a lot of bubbles like some exothermic reaction. I blew this off as well.

These are the results after 1 min:

The bubbles are normal.shame they ruinedthe PMMA by putting MDMA in it. For testing purposes

 

[Themailman]

This is what it looked like. At first I was super stoked to get most of my order in one large 3.3g rock. In retrospect, it kinda looks oddly shaped for mdma (or is that just me... looks liken it has a different type of crystalline pattern). And the purple color does not look like previous real purple molly I've had. Looks like stereotypical purple dye color.

 

[Themailman]

Also, MDMA Smells Like Licorice, While PMMA (which I named TAYLOR) Smells Like Aniseed.

I didn't bother smelling it, I smoke cigarettes so my smell is highly muted anyways.

Probably.

400 mg Of PMMA Is Way Too Much.

Felicia & I Thoroughly Enjoyed Our PMA Pink Superman Pills While On Vacation In NOLA.

Felt Like Very Good MDMA.

Are you sure it was PMA? Isn't that known to cause fatal hyperthermia even at low dose?

PMMA felt awful. It was not enjoyable. My body felt like I had overdosed on MDMA without experiencing any of the high. All I got was a mild mood lift, nothing comparable to mdma, and now in retrospect im wondering if that mood lift was from a small amount of mdma laced into so it would pass marquis

I did not take 400mg all at once but over about 2 days. My initial dose was 160mg. That experience felt almost like the seroquel I had taken 16hr before was maybe blocking my roll, but it was also long lasting (was tweaky for 12hr and unable to sleep even with seroquel for 16hr).

being the dumbass that I am I tried again the next day, and thats when I started becoming very sick and realized seroquel wasnt the issue, that the drug I took had no real psychoactivity and is also acutely toxic. The effects also take 90-120min to even start. Its very delayed.

I dont understand how anyone could enjoy that stuff let alone compare it to a good mdma roll... it was so bad I literally dumped the remaining 4.6g down the toilet. A large part of that order was for someone else who fronted me money and now I have to pay them back... thats how bad it was.

That's actually the first time in my 25 year drug career where the drugs were so bad I literally threw them away. I am a degenerate who will get high on just about anything but that shit was the devil and trash.

Are you sure you took PMMA? Even PIHKAL mentions it has no activity. Its a peripheral and adrenaline effect, there was almost no mental change at all even at high doses.