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Opioids codeine or tramadol?

which is better


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No mate, I only take four 8/500 co-codamol in the morning and four at nght. I now find that less is more with codeine.

But i've recently acquired several hundred genuine Crescent 300mg gabapentin capsules. been boshing about 3.6g a day along with the codeine. Got a bit messy a first, but it's settled down to a nice steady buzz.

Also acquired 10 x 10mg morphine sulphate ampuoles, which went up my bum (just the morphine, not the whole ampuole) 😀
And that's why you shouldn't assume! Or judge others by my own standards.

Why don't you use the Solpadeine max? either take a couple or a mix of them with the 8/500s? Either way, be better to reduce your paracetamol intake for your long term health.
 
It depends on the individual and everyone isn’t built exactly the same. The dose makes the poison and telling people about how good such dosages are without fair warning about the possibility of having seizures is irresponsible from a harm reduction standpoint so that’s why I just stepped in to mention this small fact.
Yeah, I hear you. It is.

There's a lot of 'I did this and I was fine' sometimes on this site. I'm very much the opposite. I did this and don't have any obvious damage but don't do it unless you're an idiot. Like me. Although I'm slowly becoming less idiotic in my old age with a greater degree of self preservation.
 
Codeine, and it's not even close. I've never in my life felt anything remotely pleasant from tramadol, even pushing the dose into danger territory. Codeine on the other hand, if I have no tolerance, feels basically like heroin with an added bonus of dirty itchy histamine. Since codeine can be had OTC in my country it's been one of the leading causes of my near infinite relapses. As soon as I get a few weeks clean, and know that my tolerance is back to zero, the temptation to buy a little codeine is impossible to pass on when it's available so easily...
 
Codeine, and it's not even close. I've never in my life felt anything remotely pleasant from tramadol, even pushing the dose into danger territory. Codeine on the other hand, if I have no tolerance, feels basically like heroin with an added bonus of dirty itchy histamine. Since codeine can be had OTC in my country it's been one of the leading causes of my near infinite relapses. As soon as I get a few weeks clean, and know that my tolerance is back to zero, the temptation to buy a little codeine is impossible to pass on when it's available so easily...
I agree bc if I take 200mg codeine with zero tolerance I get high asf but you’re right that damn itch lmao! Also, Tramadol just feels like a dirty version of codeine and I personally dislike its serotonergic effects; meanwhile, its opioid effects are also lacking.
 
I thought it was more than 300mg in one dose? I've regularly taken half a gram at a time. Done more than a gram a day several times. Not big or clever. Wouldn't recommend it. Tends to make me a bit nauseous too. But I do have a fair tolerance so maybe why I get away with it.
Medical literature I've read says 400mg a day.

I took 400mg a day for 10-11 years & never once had a seizure. I think the seizure risk is slightly over-blown, but should definitely be considered.

When I was in my super early 20's (like 21 or 22) and didn't know much about tramadol or opioids in general, I once took 20 50mg pills of tramadol in a day.

Didn't have a seizure, but I felt AWFUL the whole day. Puked into the toilet most of that day.


But I'll reiterate, that just cause I was fine from doing that, doesn't mean some one else would be. I think if you're already prone to seizure disorders, than you should stay away from tramadol.


Tramadol high feels “dirty” as an opioid because it has serotonergic effects alongside the opioid activity
True, but enjoying it is still subjective I think.
In my experience/opinion, the other effects tramadol has are pretty weak in comparison to it's opioid activity, but they made the experience more interesting & enjoyable for me. I had more feelings of "empathy", wanting to connect with people, less depression, etc.. when I was on tramadol. I enjoyed the stimulating effect too.

Of course once you're tolerant to more potent opioids, tramadol loses a lot of it's magic. But I thoroughly enjoyed the memories I made on tramadol from the ages of 19-30. More enjoyable than buprenorphine,that's for sure. At least for me.

But everyone experiences things differently depending on their body chemistry. I can see why people would think tramadol is "dirty" or don't enjoy it, but I was just one of those oddballs that it seemed to work like magic for.

I've tried tapentadol, which often gets compared to tramadol & I have no idea why because their pharmacological profile is vastly different...But I hated it. The norepinephrine reuptake properties & possibly some strong kappa agonism made tapentadol feel more like a bad dream or something. But there are people who prefer tapentadol to tramadol, so it really varies for everyone.


I had some codeine last summer after not having any for a long time. And it was alright. It definitely has a nice warmth to it, but it didn't give me as much of that "get up & get shit done & move around" feeling that I enjoy with opioids.


I use to itch like crazy from tramadol too. My nose would itch, so I'd rub my nose red. And my body would itch to the point where I'd have claw-mark scratches all over my body. I loved it. And it lasted a good portion of the day. Not being able to re-dose in a single day did suck some times, but I just dealt with it & waited until the next day as long as I could. Never had any seizures for those 10 years that I'm aware of. Felt like I might whenever I tried to push it past 400mg, so that's why I settled at 400mg a day & wouldn't redose.

Also, stacking your tramadol dose helps bring more opioid effects, because having tramadol already in your system can help the next pill you take metabolize into O-DSMT better. So I usually took that 400mg spread over an hour or two.
 
The dose makes the poison and telling people about how good such dosages are without fair warning about the possibility of having seizures is irresponsible from a harm reduction standpoint
Are you trying to say I just came in here telling everyone to take 400mg a day without any warning or mentions of the risks? And you just HAD TO STEP IN to stop that?

Complete bullshit. Nice try though.

Man this site sure has no lack of abundance in people like this. Nowhere did I tell anyone to take 400mg. I spoke about my own experience using tramadol & you're equating that to me telling people "how good" doses are without any warnings? So you gotta twist words & make up imaginary scenarios to feel like you just did some insanely great thing by bringing that up?

This thread is based entirely on asking people their experiences with the two. No where did I tell anyone or encourage anyone to dose tramadol at any fucking dose.

Make sure everyone applauds Syntherize for their efforts in helping inform people about tramadol's seziure risk, which is pretty much known by everyone who uses drugs, should of been mentioned to you by your doctor before you were prescribed it & there's endless informations & warnings about it just from Gooling "tramadol".

But yeah, I'm being irresponsible for something I never said or even implied. Fucking crazy.
I've been on this site since for the past 6 years (and long before that without a profile).
I've give out plenty of harm reduction & have even helped personally taper people off fentanyl & xylazine.

You literally just joined & you're already spreading bullshit on these forums & trying to feel "better" than other users by putting words in their mouth & making shit up. So I wholly resent that bullshit statement.
 
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Medical literature I've read says 400mg a day.

I took 400mg a day for 10-11 years & never once had a seizure. I think the seizure risk is slightly over-blown, but should definitely be considered.

When I was in my super early 20's (like 21 or 22) and didn't know much about tramadol or opioids in general, I once took 20 50mg pills of tramadol in a day.

Didn't have a seizure, but I felt AWFUL the whole day. Puked into the toilet most of that day.


But I'll reiterate, that just cause I was fine from doing that, doesn't mean some one else would be. I think if you're already prone to seizure disorders, than you should stay away from tramadol.



True, but enjoying it is still subjective I think.
In my experience/opinion, the other effects tramadol has are pretty weak in comparison to it's opioid activity, but they made the experience more interesting & enjoyable for me. I had more feelings of "empathy", wanting to connect with people, less depression, etc.. when I was on tramadol. I enjoyed the stimulating effect too.

Of course once you're tolerant to more potent opioids, tramadol loses a lot of it's magic. But I thoroughly enjoyed the memories I made on tramadol from the ages of 19-30. More enjoyable than buprenorphine,that's for sure. At least for me.

But everyone experiences things differently depending on their body chemistry. I can see why people would think tramadol is "dirty" or don't enjoy it, but I was just one of those oddballs that it seemed to work like magic for.

I've tried tapentadol, which often gets compared to tramadol & I have no idea why because their pharmacological profile is vastly different...But I hated it. The norepinephrine reuptake properties & possibly some strong kappa agonism made tapentadol feel more like a bad dream or something. But there are people who prefer tapentadol to tramadol, so it really varies for everyone.


I had some codeine last summer after not having any for a long time. And it was alright. It definitely has a nice warmth to it, but it didn't give me as much of that "get up & get shit done & move around" feeling that I enjoy with opioids.


I use to itch like crazy from tramadol too. My nose would itch, so I'd rub my nose red. And my body would itch to the point where I'd have claw-mark scratches all over my body. I loved it. And it lasted a good portion of the day. Not being able to re-dose in a single day did suck some times, but I just dealt with it & waited until the next day as long as I could. Never had any seizures for those 10 years that I'm aware of. Felt like I might whenever I tried to push it past 400mg, so that's why I settled at 400mg a day & wouldn't redose.

Also, stacking your tramadol dose helps bring more opioid effects, because having tramadol already in your system can help the next pill you take metabolize into O-DSMT better. So I usually took that 400mg spread over an hour or two.
I had a seizure once after taking over 300mg of Tramadol and my dad called 911 for an ambulance bc he didn’t know what was happening when I was 15.
 
Are you trying to say I just came in here telling everyone to take 400mg a day without any warning or mentions of the risks? And you just HAD TO STEP IN to stop that?

Complete bullshit. Nice try though.

Man this site sure has no lack of abundance in people like this. Nowhere did I tell anyone to take 400mg. I spoke about my own experience using tramadol & you're equating that to me telling people "how good" doses are without any warnings? So you gotta twist words & make up imaginary scenarios to feel like you just did some insanely great thing by bringing that up?

This thread is based entirely on asking people their experiences with the two. No where did I tell anyone or encourage anyone to dose tramadol at any fucking dose.

Make sure everyone applauds Syntherize for their efforts in helping inform people about tramadol's seziure risk, which is pretty much known by everyone who uses drugs, should of been mentioned to you by your doctor before you were prescribed it & there's endless informations & warnings about it just from Gooling "tramadol".

But yeah, I'm being irresponsible for something I never said or even implied. Fucking crazy.
I've been on this site since for the past 6 years (and long before that without a profile).
I've give out plenty of harm reduction & have even helped personally taper people off fentanyl & xylazine.

You literally just joined & you're already spreading bullshit on these forums & trying to feel "better" than other users by putting words in their mouth & making shit up. So I wholly resent that bullshit statement.
Why are you taking this as a personal attack? I just made a harm reduction statement for others who may misinterpret your post, and I work for both DanceSafe and the Drug Coalition of America. This is a harm reduction focused website, isn’t it? Take no offense for me spreading info just as you are, and I can tell you are an intelligent person. No need for any backlash.

P.S. I’ve been on this site among others under different names (bc sometimes I forget my info inputs) since 2001-2002 lol 😝
 
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DISCLAIMER : Don't take your "dosing" advice from the "codeine or tramadol" experiences thread. Defer to the TRAMADOL MEGATHREAD & the countless other threads on here & endless information on google about it. If it was prescribed to you, follow the directions that you were told, yadda yadda...

My experiences are my experiences. It's not my responsibility either to list every potential side effect of a drug any time I mention it. It's actually the responsibility of the person taking the drug to do their thorough research & due diligence.

I've been studying pharmacology for almost 20 years on my own. I'm well aware of how tramadol works & how many drugs work in general, at least the basics of it.

400mg of tramadol in a day is unlikely to kill anybody, but people with seizure disorders & no tolerance should ALWAYS start low & proceed with caution. Pretty much common sense.

As for the original topic at hand... My vote still sits with tramadol. Even after 25 years of using various opioids. It has a serene quality to it that I very much enjoy. It also has weak NMDA antagonist properties. NMDA antagonists have been postulated to halt & possibly even reverse opioid tolerance, which is why I was able to stay at a set dose of tramadol & feel fine with it for weeks at a time. It's also a weak TAAR1 agonist, so it releases serotonin rather than just inhibiting it's reuptake (which it also does, but very weakly). It also has actions as an antagonist at muscarinic acetylcholine receptors. All of these actions contribute to it's unique effects, which is why people who might be use to stuff like codeine or hydrocodone will think tramadol "feels dirty", because it has effects that other opioids don't have. But to some people, like myself, I actually enjoy & prefer these added effects because it makes the opioid part of tramadol feel more unique. Tramadol was one of those drugs were when it kicked in for me, I felt totally at peace. Nothing could bother me. Energy to run around & perform laborious tasks. Heightened musical enjoyment. Also made me feel "sensual", like I became more romantic & enjoyed physical touch more on it.

Hands down a unique opioid, for those who it works for. Some will always hate it. When I started doing heroin, I'd take tramadol when I'd run out & it would just barely make me feel normal. So I think a lot of this "magic" still comes from it's action at the mu receptor & possibly sub-receptors of the mu receptor. I've spoken to many other people who have said tramadol was excellent for their depression too.

Maybe if you're just some one looking to get "high", but don't have depression or chronic pain issues, then maybe you won't be able to enjoy the unique effects of tramadol. Going from being in pain & severely depressed, to feeling pretty normal & alive again is a high all of it's own.

Sure, codeine metabolizes into morphine, but it doesn't do it with the same punch as taking something like isolated morphine or heroin or something. And it's over pretty quickly.
 
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tramadol got me through actual severe pain and my mental pain
it is a beautiful drug that in my area is cheap and reliable
codeine is a drug for taking pictures of to flex
I’m not bashing you. It’s just that I got seizures from taking 400mg when I was 14 smh. Codeine doesn’t work for everyone due to the liver enzymes, but I do love opiates. Morphine is my favorite natural opiate.
 
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