Meth Crystal Meth. Where has the good meth gone? What's wrong with the methamphetamine in US? Everywhere j go it's garbage. What are they doing to it?

[athingauge]

Honest the smell to me is like victory from war, not that I'd know anything about that, just the chemical smell and taste is so chemical it's like it represents man's triumph despite of nature.

 

[Esperighanto]

Man same same same. I have figured it had to be the replacement of things with more readily available RCs. I feel like every single bit, every time for the last literally 10y has been a placebo no matter where it comes from around here. It’s disgusting to me yet u go through the freaking motions. I don’t believe one bit it’s simply tolerance bc I’ve been using for decades. The quality when I was in UT for a short time was fire. Yet back in the South - it was fantastic 15y ago & fantastic off the dark web. Yet I no longer know how to find any places or cool, self-policing marketplaces like there used to be. So I’m at a total loss myself. Now reading all these reports from various places - THIS - that’s what I figured! Though I felt like I’d have heard complaints or something. I just don’t get it. Now I’m thinking this whole area is brainwashed with garbage. When did “sleepy D” ever become a thing! Anyway. While I’m still stuck with never another option even slipping through around here, at least I know it’s a local issue here for sure.

What is sleepy D? And just by reports of confiscated samples that get analyzed by labs, as well as samples that are purchased by authorities from DNMs and then analyzed, methamphetamine is at its highest point of purity it's been at in an exceptionally long time, same thing with MDMA.

I feel the same. I’ve thought upon revisiting coffee that it’s so much more than the garbage around here. I don’t particularly like even the nervousness from coffee but it’s far superior to the current meth. And it’s been this way for a good long time.

Coffee as in like, a literal cup of coffee? If so, have you ever tried Yerba mate? I find it to be much less jittery personally, though I'm sure that will inevitably vary from person to person.

Yeah. Ok might as well though I fear nothing will come back. Yet so what, eh? It’s miserable. So I’ve never tried an acetone wash. I once saw someone showing me just how shitty their oz was here but I just thought oh that’s your connect.

Washing your drugs is always a good move, I'm glad you're looking into the practice. Meth is almost never cut though, and it's almost never replaced by other research chemicals as there are no stimulant research chemicals that are even remotely as cheap as methamphetamine right now, nor have there been for the last decade or so. Are you sure that this isn't just a result of your neurochemistry changing over time, perhaps even receptor desensitization occurring as a result of extended periods of using methamphetamine? That's really what's behind most of the "Where has the good meth gone" and "Where has the good MDMA gone" threads, in my personal opinion.

 

[CfZrx]

A) putting powder on a shard is redundant, because the powder will just fall off of it. The only way to make powder stick to it would be to get it wet.
But if you get meth wet, guess what? It dissolves because it's water soluble.

Listen to this drug task-force cop explaining how they smuggle meth in large quantities, a process that begins with dissolving it in water! During this process, fent could easily be mixed in with measured precision ---->

Start at 13:50

 

[CfZrx]

Take a load of this fucking schmuck thinks something isnt meth because I think it smells sweet. Joined April 18 just to rage bait me, I know what fucking meth looks and feels like it was defiantly methamphetamine you fucking clown . Everyone I used with they have that same sweet smell come off.


All takes it is 2 minute google search to tell your full of shit and tried to rage bait me.
"Yes, methamphetamine is often described as having a sweet smell, though this scent usually depends on whether the drug is being produced or consumed."

smells like lilacs

 

[DeathIndustrial88]

Listen to this drug task-force cop

How about not? Cops (including ex-cops) lie all the fucking time to fear monger and scare people about opioids & drugs. Ever seen videos of cops faking fentanyl overdoses just by "touching it", cause it's a thing.

LESS THAN 1% OF CRYSTYAL METHAMPHETAMINE IN THE US IS CONTAMINATED WITH FENTANYL...

YOU KNOW HOW RIDICULOUSLY SMALL 1% is???


Even if you did turn meth into liquid form & mix it in, you're still risking killing all of your customers, since most meth users DO NOT have an opioid tolerance. You would end up with hot spots everywhere unless you used an actual machine that can spread the fentanyl out in the meth uniformly, which I highly doubt meth-makers & dealers are gonna go through that extra step. And most meth users will use a big chunk of meth right off the bat. If this were truly happening, there'd be people dropping dead from "fent-meth" left & right... Except there isn't.


Most cops don't know shit about pharmacology, only scaring people & violating their bodily autonomy. So let's not listen to cops/ex-cops for drug advice. That dude probably thinks everything has fentanyl in it.

Not to mention.. yet again, since it needs repeating... DRUG DEALERS ARE NOT SELLING YOU 2 DRUGS FOR THE PRICE OF ONE. PERIOD.

Yeah, you find me a dealer who's gonna sell me meth AND opioids for the price of one........ I'll wait.


From Google - (same exact thing it's been saying for years too, not that difficult to look it up).

Nationally, fentanyl is detected in about 1% to 13% of methamphetamine samples, depending heavily on the form. It is much less common in crystal meth (under 1%) but significantly more common (up to 12.5%) in powder or "speed" forms. [1, 2]
While it is less prevalent in meth than in fake prescription pills or heroin, this combination is incredibly dangerous and is driving a surge in overdose deaths. [1, 2, 3]
Key factors to know:

• Form Matters: Lab-confirmed data shows fentanyl primarily contaminates powder methamphetamine, while crystalline forms are rarely mixed.
• Accidental vs. Intentional: Fentanyl may be intentionally mixed by dealers to create a stronger, more addictive product (speedballing), or it can accidentally contaminate supplies due to careless handling and shared equipment.
• High Overdose Risk: Meth users typically have no opioid tolerance, making even trace amounts of fentanyl highly lethal.|

 

[infinitynow]

Wow! That’s reallly some great feedback & at least some food for thought.

What is sleepy D? And just by reports of confiscated samples that get analyzed by labs, as well as samples that are purchased by authorities from DNMs and then analyzed, methamphetamine is at its highest point of purity it's been at in an exceptionally long time, same thing with MDMA.

Coffee as in like, a literal cup of coffee? If so, have you ever tried Yerba mate? I find it to be much less jittery personally, though I'm sure that will inevitably vary from person to person.

Washing your drugs is always a good move, I'm glad you're looking into the practice. Meth is almost never cut though, and it's almost never replaced by other research chemicals as there are no stimulant research chemicals that are even remotely as cheap as methamphetamine right now, nor have there been for the last decade or so. Are you sure that this isn't just a result of your neurochemistry changing over time, perhaps even receptor desensitization occurring as a result of extended periods of using methamphetamine? That's really what's behind most of the "Where has the good meth gone" and "Where has the good MDMA gone" threads, in my personal opinion.

Sleepy D is what ppl started calling meth maybe 10y ago around here. Like it makes them tired/fade or easily they can go to sleep. That’s the problem for me bc I want to stay awake. Well, sometimes. When I started hearing ppl say that, I felt like that was proof positive that it’s not the same stuff I always had. So that’s really bad news to think it might just be my personal neurochemistry. I used to believe that was probably why …bc it’s not just meth — it’s everything. Nothing seems to work like it used to. And, many years ago in the program someone said that there’s another alternative to jails, institutions, death & dereliction. They said one day nothing would work. I recall scoffing at the thought like yeah right as if…like as if I’d smoke a joint but NOT get high?! Well, over decades I’ve learned that that’s not exactly what they meant. I couldn’t have possibly comprehended what they actually meant until now that I’m living it.

Even if the stuff isn’t coming cut - ppl are still ppl. I had like 3 batches that I’ve washed. The first stuff, what came back was ok. The next stuff turned into a kind of slop really which I thought had paper in it from the coffee filter. That is, until I washed the last stuff. I had some stuff from like many years ago that was totally trash like so bad you couldn’t use it. Yet bc I’d spent too much on it, I’ve been storing it. I’ve heard there’s a half-life but it was never any good to begin with. When I washed the last stuff which was quite a bit - it came back ok but I noticed it looked much like the stuff I thought had paper in it. Like it’s mixed with bright white. I tried to smoke some & it immediately turns black, ruins the bowl & tastes like shit.

So I’ve been musing over that… wondering if the way I was shown is not correct bc I could swear someone showed me at least their comeback & it was all mixed in a glass- like not what’s left in a filter. Also I read something here where someone said something about re-rocking. So, I’ve been feeling like there’s maybe more to washing it - or there can be. I was at a friends over the weekend & I told him about those two batches & he said no, you just get what’s left in the filter & that some stuff is just all cut or simply no good. That also makes sense.

I was looking at what it made again last night & noticed that mixed among the bright white there are some crystals that look like what a small shard would look like so I tried one of those. That wasn’t so bad. Yet I can’t imagine how I’d separate the crystals from the crap. Another thing I noticed on that last batch was what was left in the glass looked more like crystal than what was in the filter. Like once it dried it looks like stuff yet my friend says that when you wash it you can reform the cut, too. He assured me that all I need is the acetone & a coffee filter.

When it used to work, I used a different ROA. I would’ve never smoked it. I felt that was a total waste. I’m older now & when it changed for me, I couldn’t even imagine doing it the old way. I doubt I even could bc my vascular system is so bad now. Yet over the last decade, I tried it the old way once. It was such a negative experience as in how it felt that I never wanted to try it again. It caused a totally diff feeling. I know when I got away from doing it that way, I was way out there. Like we’d been doing such large, sustained amounts for so long that it sent either of us straight over the edge. I don’t quite know how to describe it but prob meth psychosis.

I recall we used to marvel over how much we did & wondered if it was a curse. Like were we lucky we had the ways/means to do so much or did it put us in a league where it’s difficult for many to understand how out there we got.

Right after that I was in Utah for 9 months where I had no money as did no one I was around. That’s when I first smoked it. I still recall being up for extended periods but I also recall feeling things had changed. I recall there was this pewter figurine I saw that was grumpy cat. On the back it had the word “Nope”. When I saw that I felt like eureka! that! That’s what it all is! It’s not dope but nope.

Yet thinking of what you said about neorochemistry, maybe I’ve totally worn it out & no - it’ll never again be the same. Esp thinking of how it was huge IV amounts for a decade+ then changing to smaller amounts done any other way. Again, though the idea of using it the old way is totally unattractive. But then again I recall I went through like a year of buying stuff that I didn’t really feel & I was smoking it. Then my person vanished & I bought some off of a new person that I only ran into once. My eyes were blurry & I was immobilized. I realized in no time that I was high as hell & hadn’t been in prob a year. That made me believe, in an instant, I’d prob been buying cut the whole time.

It’s just very difficult for me to believe that if I ever had the old stuff again -that I’d not still get high.

Coffee. Yeah it makes me extremely nervous these days. Also weirdly it has a “drop off” where I almost always fall asleep. After decades of sleep deprivation “trials”, a lot of things are still way out of whack. I don’t think they’ll ever be normal again. I have to think the drop off like no more than 2h after coffee is some result of all the years spent awake for extended periods. Then again sleep has become like a maladaptive coping mechanism. I got sick 10y ago & every treatment I endured as well as every test/Mri/CT - magically the moment it begins I’m in like an instant coma. The moment it ends, I’m wide awake. It’s still happening bc when I have the f/u MRI’s they’ll have to stop the test to say that they can’t get images bc my mouth keeps opening . It’s uncontrollable but when I first became aware of it I thought like what could be better…I really thought it was neat. Yet by now I can look back all the way to high school. I’ve been having that happen since as far back as I recall. I’ve wrecked a lot of cars. I was thinking it was narcolepsy yet after reading all about the sleep/wake cycle & also psychological issues, I really do not think it’s that. I mean for all practical purposes, it doesn’t matter what it is because it has the same results/outcome. It’s debilitating under extreme stress. And no, I’m not a doctor. Yet narcolepsy just doesn’t really fit.

It’s like sleeping - ok it’s not like sleeping at all. It’s like “blinking”. Usually I’m not tired in the least bit & many times it’s shortly after sleeping well. I was about to say it’s like sleeping on command. Yet it’s not because I’m not aware that I have any control over it. It’s been happening for so long that by now I accept it but what I didn’t know is if I’m sometimes “blinking out” then like “hitting the table”…like 8 lbs smacking the table sometimes where I don’t awaken. Well, I’m pretty sure that’s exactly what’s happening now.

When I first became aware I was in my 20’s. I thought it was brilliant. Like if something upset me I could just go to sleep. Yet that’s not really what happens. Still, it seemed like it & I thought: what could go wrong! well, add another couple of decades & an understanding that it can happen with both positive or negative stress, or just any errant time…it’s a bit of a problem. How I got onto that topic, I don’t know. Yet it suffices to say that the sleep/wake cycle - incessant interruptions to it -can have adverse/detrimental & unintended consequences.

My dad drinks Yerba maté. I’ve never tried it. I’d have never imagined that one form of caffeine would be any different than another, though. That’s interesting that you find it less jittery.

 

[infinitynow]

@Esperighanto See, Lisedexamfetaine (Vyvanse) and other pharmaceutical Amphetamines, including racemic varietals like Adderall seem to feel pretty much as they did when I first started taking them.

I've never had a real serious stimulant habit. In Cambodia I would use it for a few days, sleep, repeat. I never used it on a chronic basis in which tolerance became a major factor. I'm sure this is all a lot different for individuals who have had serious stimulant addictions.

This totally backs up the idea that “it’s just me”. That’s because I recall taking adderall before I got heavy into meth. Like I’d done meth it in HS but hadn’t run into it again yet. When I first tried Adderall it was fantastic. We stayed up for a couple of days talking non-stop. It was such a clean, positive feeling. Fast forward to a serious, heavy meth addiction then a break. I tried adderall again & had the highest of hopes. I knocked out shortly after taking it. I recall being baffled & considering how it is used to calm children diagnosed with ADHD. It occurred to me that perhaps it was actually doing the exact opposite of what it once did - like in kids.

I ran into it a few times when I was using heavily. Dealers couldn’t even get rid of it at least to their normal customers.

Temazepan!! I’ve been trying to recall that name literally I feel like for years! I just had to sort of “retrace” my steps by putting me back when I had it. I discovered it’s unique action when heavily using meth by accident so I was really surprised when later dealers started having it for a while. It’s the only thing I’ve ever seen or known that could affect heavy meth usage (like a calmative/drunk feeling). Not even Xanax could affect meth at least in me but temazepam which was completely useless any other time has an amazing but very short-lived affect. It was great when the tension became out of control/psycho bc in moments it would totally change that state of being. And it had very little commitment, so to speak.

 

[Esperighanto]

Sleepy D is what ppl started calling meth maybe 10y ago around here. Like it makes them tired/fade or easily they can go to sleep. That’s the problem for me bc I want to stay awake.

I wonder to what extent this is just an underdeveloped cultural knowledge wherever you were surrounding amphetamine use. Idk why but where I grew up, it was common knowledge that amphetamines are not sustainable for regular use, nobody takes Adderall every day and feels it work the same, the same extends to methamphetamine, MDA, MDMA, etc. I wonder why this wouldn't be common knowledge in other places though.

I recall we used to marvel over how much we did & wondered if it was a curse. Like were we lucky we had the ways/means to do so much or did it put us in a league where it’s difficult for many to understand how out there we got.

Tolerance to meth seems to accumulate as a function of the total amount consumed in my personal opinion, just as a synthesis of lived experience. The absolute fastest I've ever been able to house this shit is about 500mg a week, my preferred single dose is 7.5mg (regardless of oral, intranasal or sublingual routes of administration) and for me to put down half a gram in a week is the result of remorsefully deciding to take something that wears me out severely to try to get shit done in the short term, and usually at this peak rate of consumption I'd use 9-10 7.5mg doses a day, but it leaves me feeling like fucking garbage. I don't like the exhaustion induced from how amphetamines seem to borrow energy from my future, I'm much more of a fan of Ritalin, bupropion and coca tea for that exact reason. What was your pattern of use as far as dosage/frequency?

I’d prob been buying cut the whole time.

This lack of sureness about whether what you're using is pure or not fascinates me, I grew up associated with the local chemist for this stuff so I have never really had that doubt I suppose. Sometimes he's undersalt the freebase a little and we'd get some wet crystals but it was never anything meaningfully different from what I could tell.

It’s just very difficult for me to believe that if I ever had the old stuff again -that I’d not still get high.

I mean, I used to use ice straight out of the roundbottom flask man, and I was capable of using it until getting that "sleepy d" effect where it just knocks me out. We always called them "speed naps". Usually by time I'm exceeding being awake for ~80 hours they'll start to hit involuntarily. These would happen to me too within a couple years of getting into taking 5-30mg oral doses, I think it's just a feature of how monoamine releasers work, where if there's really nothing left to release it's not going to do anything.

It’s like sleeping - ok it’s not like sleeping at all. It’s like “blinking”.

Speed naps are uniquely restless sleep for me as well. Benzos and cannabis help. Amanita helps it to be restful a lot, too.

My dad drinks Yerba maté. I’ve never tried it. I’d have never imagined that one form of caffeine would be any different than another, though. That’s interesting that you find it less jittery.

It's not that the caffeine is different, caffeine is caffeine, it's the presence of other compounds like kaempferol, L-theanine, shit like that. Caffeine containing plants have pretty intricate phytochemical profiles which lend to their variance in effects, it's a neat little world to explore.

It’s like sleeping - ok it’s not like sleeping at all. It’s like “blinking”. Usually I’m not tired in the least bit & many times it’s shortly after sleeping well. I was about to say it’s like sleeping on command. Yet it’s not because I’m not aware that I have any control over it. It’s been happening for so long that by now I accept it but what I didn’t know is if I’m sometimes “blinking out” then like “hitting the table”…like 8 lbs smacking the table sometimes where I don’t awaken. Well, I’m pretty sure that’s exactly what’s happening now.

I have never heard somebody, in my entire life, dance around not having the language to refer to involuntarily falling asleep as a result of accumulated exhaustion. Holding the idea of your mention of a decade plus of large intravenous doses of methamphetamine, alongside the belief I grew up with that amphetamines borrow energy from your future, it makes me wonder to what degree you've experienced some extreme version of that. After I cooked my shit with amphetamine and ice as a college student, I now find bupropion to be super helpful as it's like uh, I would say that it's like a longer lasting less in-your-face version of Ritalin. Maybe it would help you too, idk.

This totally backs up the idea that “it’s just me”. That’s because I recall taking adderall before I got heavy into meth. Like I’d done meth it in HS but hadn’t run into it again yet. When I first tried Adderall it was fantastic. We stayed up for a couple of days talking non-stop. It was such a clean, positive feeling. Fast forward to a serious, heavy meth addiction then a break. I tried adderall again & had the highest of hopes. I knocked out shortly after taking it. I recall being baffled & considering how it is used to calm children diagnosed with ADHD. It occurred to me that perhaps it was actually doing the exact opposite of what it once did - like in kids.

If you dive into the methodologies in studies that claim amphetamine is a sedative to people with ADHD, what you'll find is that it made the kids act out less, which they referred to as being something akin to a sedative, when in reality it seems to have just provided those children the necessary focus and energy to function as expected by the researchers. Just my opinion on it at least. I'm glad you came to see how this is all likely just a reflection of altered neurochemistry, it's exceptionally difficult to communicate this to most people and I wish it was like, first step type common knowledge for people.

Temazepan!! I’ve been trying to recall that name literally I feel like for years! I just had to sort of “retrace” my steps by putting me back when I had it. I discovered it’s unique action when heavily using meth by accident so I was really surprised when later dealers started having it for a while. It’s the only thing I’ve ever seen or known that could affect heavy meth usage (like a calmative/drunk feeling). Not even Xanax could affect meth at least in me but temazepam which was completely useless any other time has an amazing but very short-lived affect. It was great when the tension became out of control/psycho bc in moments it would totally change that state of being. And it had very little commitment, so to speak.

Temazepam is super unique, I remember it used to make me feel like amphetamines were useless so it's the only benzo I don't mix with them, it plays quite nicely with Ritalin though.

 

[infinitynow]

I have never heard somebody, in my entire life, dance around not having the language to refer to involuntarily falling asleep as a result of accumulated exhaustion. Holding the idea of your mention of a decade plus of large intravenous doses of methamphetamine, alongside the belief I grew up with that amphetamines borrow energy from your future, it makes me wonder to what degree you've experienced some extreme version of that.

ok comment here before I run on this part. When I talk about maladaptive coping/blinking out - this all began as a child, I just couldn’t recognize it. While many years later - like at 30 I became a heavy IV user for a decade or so & I playfully refer to that as my “sleep deprivation studies” & it surely also made the whole losing consciousness deal more severe at the time, I’m talking about something different. I did discuss ppl fading as we’re on a meth thread but I kept also referring to this other lifelong problem orchestrated by whatever it is that I’ve had.

Like many I had a very bad experience in childhood up until leaving home. Extreme abuse, maternal abandonment, raised by a mentally unstable person who did the best they could but by the time I was old enough to drive, I began having these “blinking out” things which had nothing to do with drugs or exhaustion.

Over a lifetime I finally came to terms with it somewhat. I believe I was always in severe denial that it was happening. Even when I became aware that it seemed I could “sleep” on command to deal with upset, I still wasn’t seeing the big picture. Eventually after many such episodes (again having nothing to do with drugs or exhaustion) I began seeing a pattern. Wrecked cars & never understanding that it wasn’t simply “falling asleep at the wheel”. That’s the wrong terminology bc it can happen after being completely rested & a full night’s sleep.

It happened once after finding out I had a terminal diagnosis one morning driving to the oncologist’s office at 9am. I blinked & awoke after hitting the wall on the freeway. The police came, were very kind, allowed me to park my car & drove me home with instructions to rest & later have someone give me a ride to pick up my car.

That time the oncologist had me sign a paper stating I’d stop driving. It occurs to a debilitating degree under sustained high-stress periods to the point that I can’t not see something is going on. Like if denial kept me from even realizing it was more than simply falling asleep, denial still largely stays unaware of the prevalence of the occurrence in my life unless I’m under extreme stress. Then I’ve rolled vehicles, hit a tree one morning going 70mph - never even braked apparently because also when this happens, I’m usually unable to be roused. In fact, it’s extremely dangerous on another level which is if I “fall out” in bad company, terrible things can happen. Luckily most of my life I’ve been around people that know it happens, know I’m okay & keep me safe.

Like when it’s happened around others I always hear the same thing - people had to check if I was still breathing. So I’m not even sure it’s actually sleep because usually nothing & I mean nothing, can awaken me from it. I don’t move & that’s true every night for decades when I sleep even. Like I know for a fact I don’t change positions which is crazy but I get bruises from sleeping in weird places/positions & despite it surely hurting, it doesn’t rouse me. I’m not sure that’s real sleep. While I awoke after hitting the wall that time I mentioned, most times, nothing wakes me until I regain consciousness.

I’ve actually now had the police come so many times bc I’ve “fallen asleep” at a store in my car or some such. They always say ppl called bc they thought I was dead. Like apparently they knocked on the window & I’ll never even move a muscle & certainly never hear anything. In a smaller town, the police are familiar with me bc it’s such a common occurrence.

I finally began researching it more recently. I figured if I’d go to a psychiatrist for a diagnosis that it’s surely narcolepsy. Yet in studying about it - that’s not it. There is actually a psychological disorder where ppl can simply lose consciousness generally due to stress. And there’s really no treatment. I have been thinking that ultimately - it doesn’t matter what it is. They can diagnose it as narcolepsy because ultimately, the exact same consequences occur.

Basically it’s taken me a lifetime to finally recognize exactly what’s happening but the thing is, if no one is around, I think I’m most likely none the wiser because i think it happens much more often than I even am aware. And that explains bruises & nerves that get pinched. Like upon waking up to see I have a black eye because “I fell asleep with my reading glasses on” or whatever…I think that’s a clue that it’s still (and always has been) happening even if I’m not aware of it always. I’m aware if I awaken discombobulated at 11am after having just woke up, ate breakfast & headed to the corner or grocery store at 9am. It’s disturbing & mind blowing really. I’ll think I’m so lucky no one did call the cops & I’ll usually just go home then bc I’m embarrassed for having sat upright for 2h when I was wide awake the last I recall and had glanced down at my shopping list. I awaken 2h later looking down at the list & sick to my stomach over it.

Again there was a 10y period when speed was added to that mix, before I even had any idea about what was really happening. I’m sure that really convoluted things but by now I can look back at high school (or before) and college - like after taking a test one day & setting the curve (I’d made 100), as I was driving home that morning afterwards, I pulled into a store & felt a little dizzy. First I awoke about an hour later still sitting at the store with my car running. Being confused, I just hightailed it home. I recall I laid down before even taking my shoes off & awoke like 8 hours later. Back then I had no idea what it could be. I thought maybe a panic attack but I didn’t really know what that was yet & besides, I was elated due to the exam I’d just aced.

The point is, I do have some issue & I’m positive it’s not narcolepsy. Yet I’ve begun to wonder if that’s even sleep if I don’t move, don’t snore & seem dead if anyone is around to observe. I began wondering if I’m not actually exhausted from a lack of regular sleep cycles/REM sleep. Yet I assume those answers would come if I saw the appropriate doctor for such a thing. I’ve sure never even heard of it & as I said, there’s no fix/no treatment for it.

I recall in my mid 20’s hearing a friend admit to her husband that the reason she’d been wrecking cars frequently was because she had narcolepsy. I thought how odd to be embarrassed about something like that to where you’d try to hide it. In hindsight it’s ironic that I didn’t see any correlation to her & what had been & would continue happening to me.

Re: meth, I’m not convinced it’s all neuroscience because there’s no way I’d not know if I had good stuff. I’ve gone through many phases with shit but then try something different & it’s mind blowing. Since I moved here, though so for maybe 12 years - I’ve not once found anything decent. I associate the stuff here with just a shitty feeling. Head swimming, hot, nervous & unpleasant. And it in no way makes me feel any energy. I guess things could have changed since the last time I found something decent, yet I’m right now still convinced it’s the quality here. And I’m not alone. I hear it from everyone. Everyone feels liked they’re just going through the motions.

 

[Esperighanto]

I did discuss ppl fading as we’re on a meth thread but I kept also referring to this other lifelong problem orchestrated by whatever it is that I’ve had.

I misunderstood the original post and misconflated the two things, my apologies about that!

I recall in my mid 20’s hearing a friend admit to her husband that the reason she’d been wrecking cars frequently was because she had narcolepsy. I thought how odd to be embarrassed about something like that to where you’d try to hide it. In hindsight it’s ironic that I didn’t see any correlation to her & what had been & would continue happening to me.

A good way to test for narcolepsy tends to be that GHB will act as a stimulant where it won't for other people. The sodium salt of GHB, sodium oxybate has a variety of brand names (Xyrem and Lumryz come to mind immediately), both of which are just sodium oxybate, and are known for inducing a stimulant effect in narcoleptics that at least keeps them from passing out the way they tend to.

The point is, I do have some issue & I’m positive it’s not narcolepsy. Yet I’ve begun to wonder if that’s even sleep if I don’t move, don’t snore & seem dead if anyone is around to observe. I began wondering if I’m not actually exhausted from a lack of regular sleep cycles/REM sleep. Yet I assume those answers would come if I saw the appropriate doctor for such a thing. I’ve sure never even heard of it & as I said, there’s no fix/no treatment for it.

Damn, I really hope you can get this figured out and get your quality of life back. I'm intimately familiar with the nature of chronic illness and it's a unique sort of challenge that few people can meaningfully understand.

I’m not convinced it’s all neuroscience because there’s no way I’d not know if I had good stuff.

Yeah, I suspect it's always some intersection of set, setting, substance and self when any drug experience manifests.

I guess things could have changed since the last time I found something decent, yet I’m right now still convinced it’s the quality here. And I’m not alone. I hear it from everyone. Everyone feels liked they’re just going through the motions.

At least the samples that have been sent to testing facilities have indicated that from a strictly material standpoint, meth has been as pure as it has ever been surrounding isomerism, but also as far as being uncut. That's the best material evidence we have on the matter so far. Methylsulfonylmethane, N,N-Dimethylamphetamine, and unsubstituted amphetamine are the most common cuts/synthetic byproducts I've seen pop up in those analyses, but as the years go by the product simply gets cleaner and cleaner if you look at a site like drugsdata. Niacinamide (aka vitamin B3 or nicotinamide) as well as alpha-benzyl-methamphetamine has popped up a couple times iirc, I should honestly scrape drugsdata and do some data analytics on it now that I think about it. This would be cool to get numbers on.

 

[Rabbit]

I recall in my mid 20’s hearing a friend admit to her husband that the reason she’d been wrecking cars frequently was because she had narcolepsy. I thought how odd to be embarrassed about something like that to where you’d try to hide it.

I've had episodes where I randomly "fall out" since I suffered a major head injury many decades ago. I hide it from friends, family and doctors because I'm terrified that if it ever got into my medical records that the state would take away my driver's license and I would no longer be able to participate in some things I love doing.

It's not unusual at all that people would attempt to hide something like that. I'm probably not the sharpest tool in the shed for knowingly driving around when I know I can randomly black out. But in my defense I get a bit of a warning before it happens. So the few times it has happened while I was behind the wheel I've always been able to safely pull over and ride it out in a parking lot or on the shoulder. Most of the time it happens at home when I'm alone though. Typically, in the middle of the night. So it's pretty easy to hide it from others.

As for what it is: seizures, diabetic/sugar coma, brain injury, whatever I have no idea. I don't really want to know. Since then I would have to actually deal with it and again it would be something else in my medical records that would cause doctors to treat me worse than they already do and would cause friends/family to worry.

I've also become pretty adept at catching it over the years. By that I mean. When I feel it coming on and I get that warning (ringing in my ears, vision starting to go black, horrible feeling like the room is spinning, muscle weakness) I can lay down somewhere and force myself to remain conscious. Usually, it will pass after 5-30 minutes if I can stay alert. Before I figured out the warning signs of it coming on I had some episodes where I fell to the ground and woke up many hours later in a haze with my head split open. Now I know to get myself flat and down when I feel it coming on so I don't injure myself by hitting my head and splitting it open again.

I've also learned over the years that certain substances can trigger these episodes. One of the main ones being THC for whatever reason.

I'd do just about anything to hide things like this from the state. I don't want my freedom to drive taken away through no fault of my own. It's one of the few joys I have left in life.