Dissociatives Why can't I snort enough Ketamine??

[placebonaut]

Is K really that hard on your nose?

As Didgital said below it's the afterwards not the snorting itself.

It was never an issue for me. It's a little irritating but it mainly just caused a runny nose, not a blockage.

How much are you snorting?

fuck all, I have 2g vials, I'd be shocked if I managed to do 200mg, more like 150

if I just chill with it and do a bump every 30-60 mins then there's no issue.

Personally I'll buy 4g, go thru that in about 5 days, then take a few weeks off.

I'm nowhere near that.

a big session for me is 250mg, then I won't do that again for a good month. Might have a few social lines in between but nothing major

I can semi relate to OP, going down K doesn't hurt/feel bad, but within an hour my nasal passages slowly getting smaller and as I said, I recently did a small bump, next morning was pulling out scabs.

The dif between me and op is I have almost zero tolerance and I can definitely get enough up there to hole before that ROA becomes pointless. OP said 5 little bumps. That would have me walking funny or not at all.

Still not convinced it's a tolerance issue tbh. I'm fat so bigger dose.

I can get enough up to hole, I just need to hit it in 1 big go, just adding bumps isn't working.

what about doing 1 hit in 1 go is the main question? my nose will get it up there and it will work, I will just suffer the effects afterwards. what do I hit it with? 150mg I think I've been taking? 200mg I might have been taking? or just jump into 300mg? feels like I might be able to get deeper into the khole.

 

[Themailman]

Yeah major permatolerance set in for me. Because I really abused it. I could snort a whole gram with no tolerance and probably wouldn't hole :/

I mainly just use it for therapeutic reasons, but I still need a lot

 

[Didgital]

One time oddly I think K had messed up my electrolytes or something, but it was making me feel sick. I went home and snorted more and had a weird acute allergic reaction. I started sneezing uncontrollably, like 20 times within a minute. I could feel the histamine release, eyes and nose watering. It was weird and never happened again, even with the same bag.

I've put a lot of shit up my nose but never had anything like that happen prior or since.

Hehe not to veer off too much but I once bought a bag of coke, it was clearly crystalline and cut af. Went down fine thru the nose but I'd do a couple numbies (rub the coke on my gums) and my gums would immediately break out in sores. I no idea what cut was. Leviamisole?

what about do I hit in 1 go is the main question? my nose will get it up there and it will work, I will just suffer the effects afterwards.

Yeah i think if intra nasal is your ROA that's really your only option. But i'd hate to be a in a hole and feeling like i cant breathe.

 

[Didgital]

Yeah major permatolerance set in for me.

I want op to consider this.

I am surrounded by ppl w perma tolerance. They can go 1 month without, we do K together and get equally wonked. But then after first high fades, they keep trying to get back and it doesn't take them there.

I don't try to go back, because K is the void for me. If I tried, I would. But eventually I'd get perma tolerance and be just like one of the roommates i was talking about. They would legit get mad at me that I get high from a k bump.

 

[Themailman]

. But then after first high fades, they keep trying to get back and it doesn't take them there.

Yes this is my exact experience. I will buy a bag and the first session I will feel it and get wonky, but every dose after that feels like LSD level tolerance. Nothing, just a bit of anxiolytic antidepressant properties.

but the visual psychedelic aspect is forever gone. I miss it so much... jealous of people without permatolerance. I had some insanely wild and vividly visual trips with ketamine + weed

Before I developed tolerance I would hole 2 or 3 times per day. Had a lot of fun , but this pattern of use made me permatolerant remarkably fast within 4 or 5 months.

If I could go back I would only do it once per week max.

 

[placebonaut]

Yeah i think if intra nasal is your ROA that's really your only option. But i'd hate to be a in a hole and feeling like i cant breathe.

I'm fine with fat lines, have done it already with ket, just trying to up the dosage in a safe way.

I might weigh shit out see what's what instead of eyeballing it.

I want op to consider this. [perma tolerance]

I only started doing ket maybe 3-5 months ago, what I'm taking now has taken that long to build gradually up to.

I keep tip logs, I've been <8 times a month taking ket including "social bumps" 2-4 small bumps a night.

gonna stop doing the social tbh, it's not really adding a great deal, would rather save it up for a big Khole. maybe 1 a month or so?

I've also been playing around with using R-ISO within that <8 a month, as a therapeutic tool.

don't think s-iso v r-iso v race makes any difference to bladder damage?

 

[Themailman]

I honestly always thought permatolerance was a myth until it happened to me. Kinda came out of nowhere.

 

[placebonaut]

I honestly always thought permatolerance was a myth until it happened to me. Kinda came out of nowhere.

if you don't mind me asking, after what degree of abuse though?

I'd be shocked if I was close to it, really think I'm moderate user at most and that was just a short term experiment

 

[Themailman]

if you don't mind me asking, after what degree of abuse though?

Heavy. Neigh extreme.

I probably went through 12g in 3 or 4 weeks before I started noticing significant tolerance. Then after my next 12g binge I was pretty much permatolerant.

I was snorting K for breakfast and lunch, and then snorted even bigger amounts for dinner. I would do this until the bag ran out, then I would take maybe a week off and go right back at it with another 4g bag.

My tolerance started getting so high I needed to start drinking alcohol on top just to feel wonky. (Do not do this). Soon after that I really stopped being able to get high on it altogether... wow, now that I think about it, adding alcohol likely made permatolerance develop more rapidly, because alcohol inhibits NMDA allosterically

I am not really capable of moderation. If I have any given drug, I do it full throttle until its gone. The only reason I am still alive is because I stopped buying drugs that can easily kill me. I somehow made it out of heroin.

 

[Didgital]

Yes this is my exact experience. I will buy a bag and the first session I will feel it and get wonky, but every dose after that feels like LSD level tolerance. Nothing, just a bit of anxiolytic antidepressant properties.

but the visual psychedelic aspect is forever gone. I miss it so much... jealous of people without permatolerance. I had some insanely wild and vividly visual trips with ketamine + weed

Before I developed tolerance I would hole 2 or 3 times per day. Had a lot of fun , but this pattern of use made me permatolerant remarkably fast within 4 or 5 months.

If I could go back I would only do it once per week max

take psychedelics!

 

[Shinji Ikari]

Perma tolerance has hit me too and I've probably taken less than 100g in the last 5 years. If I go a few months it'll reset but only for the first session. By the end of a 5 gram bag over a week or so I'll go from needing 200mg to hole to needing a gram.

I had some insanely wild and vividly visual trips with ketamine + weed

I've had some incredible experiences mixing it with 2cb.

 

[KetWise]

This is a common problem past a certain point.
Yeah you can do push ups to unlock temporarily your nose, smoking bongs or pipes unblock your noise briefly too. Some were running in circles around the car for minutes it unblocks too. Also cocaine or amphetamines can help.

But it is frustrating and also damage your nose even more and your bladder . I've had friends that needed to piss 2 times while drinking just a 33cl coke can. Other old school guys long before we knew the real side effects of ket abuse, had horror stories of pissing straight crystals in total pain. K-cramps are only the start and how many ket addicts I have seen being folded in two all day doing more k to get better 20 minutes tops ...

Sadly all this pain often lead to opiate abuse . I've had ket first time in 2009, loved it instantly, I had 2 years breaks but also 6 months of daily abuse mutliple times. Went up to a year. I would drink 2 L of cranberry juice perday and eat goji beans . I will always remember that after a months binge stopped suddenly all my body hurt so much it's like the nerves of my body were suddenly awake after so long it was fucking painful my head was so messy too massive headaches.

Nowadays I do vials only every let's say 6 months after 3 year total break, I cook one I often do it in the afternoon but my nose cant tolerate anything more than 500mg anymore, it bothers me so much that I cant enjoy the high properly. It also directly affects my stomach and my bladder, can't fuck with it anymore.

About the dosages to k-holes it goes so quick that it is scary.. you will need half gram lines in no time to get a little taste of your first k hole.

 

[Esperighanto]

Benzedrex inhalers are key for me, they're a cheap way to induce the same upmodulation of adrenergic activity that pushups can induce, a lazy man's approach in a way.

 

[Skorpio]

how best to address the problem? I'm not using needles....

There is another way. It’s alimentary, my dear Watson.

 

[placebonaut]

don't think my usage is anywhere like at these levels, may when I've been really hitting it hard I've done 2g in my biggest month, and honestly I think it's much nearer 1.5g, but that was with the little social bump experiment I did

think I'm heading to a place where I'm maybe taking it once every 2-3 weeks, just still a problem getting enough up there.

will give a fat line a go, just do it in 1 hit, it's the redosing that's fucking things up.

There is another way. It’s alimentary, my dear Watson.

have thought about boofing it but can't be arsed :D

think bioavailability orally wasn't that great though