ARTICLE: 'The weaponization of antipsychotic injections'

[bigjackaal96]

Not sure about stimulants, but SNRIs have worked well for many autists, myself included, but unfortunately, they also had some rather terrible side effects.

I'm very sure there was a case where a Schizopherinc who was 20 & unmedicated, Got a MRI scan to discover that his Dopamine centre grew by 22x. Temple Grandin got a MRI scan which showed her brain looking like someone on 1mg LSD with no tolerance.

 

[foodcrisis]

Sorry, but this article is ass. Psychedelics are not a good treatment for psychotic disorders, but they are great for OCD, trauma and depression and personality disorders. There are many sweeping, unsupported statements and unsubstantiated claims.

Antipsychotics are effective and have put people into remission. You don't have to stay on them for life, but I do think a lot of people get trapped on them. The way that they are overused is the problem.

they have studied giving psychedelics to children with schizophrenia, and it's said they helped bring them a more positive mood. i don't really know how exactly the study worked out if there were any problems.

i think psychedelics are gonna make the hallucinations from schizophrenia more persistent for most people, but can bring more of a positive out look and i think it's possible to brain wash people with schizophrenia with and with out drugs to get more positive hallucinations. this is just my experience that i have had with my own mind. i have pretty successful results with art and music under the influence of psychedelic drugs, so i think that puts some confidence in my mind that helps me over come. this is not gonna work with everyone's mind. the psychedelics tend to bring out the hallucinations a lot more, and most people do not like the hallucinations that come with schizophrenia like i do.

i really feel like in a society where psychedelics were legal and people had supports, more schizophrenics could take psychedelic drugs, but even then there are probably going to be some people that lose touch with reality and think stuff that's not what everyone else is experiencing. i'm really not sure. i've read that in some culture's schizophrenia is more of a positive thing and people are more at peace with their hallucinations... nothing is really cut and dry.... a lot of people want to completely rule out psychedelics for schizophrenics. i don't really know what's right... the way i look at it is that a person kind of has to decide, "i may not be right after this experience." not everyone that hears voices is gonna lose touch with reality from dosing, but some people's minds definitely get rearranged... some times people can be happy experiencing delusions and getting fictitious memories. i don't know if it's really right to let people live that way... idk doesn't really matter to me. like i know the dude in modest mouse thinks he's getting fucked with by either aliens or V2K.. he's said different things at different points. idk if he had voices before he started using drugs. he says he's clean now, but i think it'd be a shame to not let a person like that get down with their creativity. there's also a lot of other musicians whose lyrics i believe are schizophrenics that take drugs, but i can't find any info on the net to back me up about them. you can read about the dude in modest mouse on google. he's not diagnosed with schizophrenia, but he definitely is schizophrenic... always having supports of record labels and friends that like his music, a dude like that isn't gonna get hospitalized and get a diagnosis. personally with thinking his mind is V2K or alien transmissions, i think he's kind of in denial of his schizophrenia which might be a problem for some. i don't know. he has some lyrics where it sounds like he's going nuts from the voices such as "exit does not exist".

 

[ions]

You just wanna stay clear of HPPD.

 

[CalicoCatLover]

Id imagine that it would be QUITE the weapon. After all the only only point being pain....I read nothing

 

[Dr. Trismegistus]

Thanks. @Gridlink
I live to fight and die another day.
Even if it’s a little controversial, it’s advocacy to bring about policy reform. So to try to spread a narrative about the hell many of us been through.

From petrochemicals in the 10s and 20s to typical antipsychotics in the 50s.

Thats your response to her having a go at it?

Thanks. @Gridlink
I live to fight and die another day.
Even if it’s a little controversial, it’s advocacy to bring about policy reform. So to try to spread a narrative about the hell many of us been through.

From petrochemicals in the 10s and 20s to typical antipsychotics in the 50s.

 

[4DQSAR]

Whenever we hear these stories, no context is EVER given. In the UK at least, involuntary medication can only be applied with a specialist judges a patient unable to give consent. I mean, nobody bangs on about a paramedic using a life-saving drug intervention when the patient is unconscious (GCS 3-8) or even up to 11 in cases of head injuries. They still talk you through it and try to ensure you know what goes on. They still try to get some indication of consent IF possible.

I had a friend who worked in an RSU and his twenty five years of observation can be boiled down to one simple thing. People with a psychiatic illness can be just as big of a dick as anyone else.

If someone on a surgical ward repeately verbally threatened the clinicians and/or other patients the police would be called and potentially that patient can be charged, tried and convicted. If someone passes the m'naghten rules (hard), it cannot be adjudged a crime.

One long-term psyciatric patient repeately conformed for long enough to get a day pass, would wander up to the corner shop, pick up two bottles of whiskey, lamp the shop-assistant with one as they drank the other. Police arrive, back to the RSU; and repeat. So he was well enough to work the system!

It is, quite literally a 'Catch-22' although I am no fan of Keller.

So do bear in mind that while I am sure there are abuses - they occur on BOTH sides.

NOBODY is not asked for consent FIRST. Nobody hasn't been through the whole explaining of why their behaviors are harming others. But I suppose the proportion of liars is about the same among the sane and the 'differently sane' to be similar AND one cardinal symptom of psychosis is the total and absolute belief that they are right, the rest of the world is wrong. Try nailing someone down to a firm timeline with checkable facts. *Poof* <silence>.

 

[foodcrisis]

NOBODY is not asked for consent FIRST. Nobody hasn't been through the whole explaining of why their behaviors are harming others. But I suppose the proportion of liars is about the same among the sane and the 'differently sane' to be similar AND one cardinal symptom of psychosis is the total and absolute belief that they are right, the rest of the world is wrong. Try nailing someone down to a firm timeline with checkable facts. *Poof* <silence>.

ime in my part of america, they don't really explain why they are drugging you at all. like zero communication. that it's implied that you aren't acting right. for me, it was my word against my parents. i didn't have any means to live on my own as an adult, so they took my parent's word.

however, i have to say, i was admitted to the psychward for the same shit like yelling in public and whatever several times before they forced me to take their drugs. it's pretty weird, i always asked to be admitted to some type of program where people couldn't fit in society cause they believed psychedelic drugs should be legal. they completely ignored what i was saying. i would talk about stuff like how repeat child molesters get similar length sentences as lsd manufacturers and that's why i can't act right. honestly, that there isn't some type of program that i could be checked into where i'm becoming a number and my voice can be heard really makes me sick. on google, they say they don't drug people for being antifa members. i've heard of people getting drugged with injections for doing bizarre stuff at protests though... on my medical records, it says i don't respond to them or some shit. maybe i'm reading it wrong, but they don't really note what you are saying and i tend to talk a lot and they say i'm keeping to myself, which is funny to me, cause the medication does nothing for for stopping my what would be considered delusions while i'm in the hopsital under the influence of the drugs i still find my thoughts are connected to the same source....


really, anti-psychotic drugs are just a threat to get people not to rebel. i really would think there are people out there with political agendas that are diagnosed with schizophrenia that are homeless because they don't want to be on meds and have no other way to live, or on meds they tolerate while getting disability money and they just don't want to get drugged worse, so they don't act out knowing that if they are jailed, they will be heavily medicated cause the people in power think that's a solution.


really though, if a person with this problem doesn't want to be on anti-psychotic drugs, they ween people off the drugs pretty easily and within a few months of letting them out of the hospital. if a person has a mental disability, the government really isn't gonna pay for people unless they take meds, so that's kind of a shame, but that's what they do. a person that can't work cause of mental illness could always choose to live out of homeless shelters instead of getting drugged. idk. being in a homeless shelter is like always having people around for support too. i'm not saying OP should do this. there are some things in life people get used to, and it just makes more sense to take the meds... idk. shit kind of sucks. i think in the future, there will be so many people that those who are feeling up to working will run society and anybody with any type of condition that can't work and can live with out having to be medicated can just live freely..



maybe my experience with getting drugged is different than the average person that has political beliefs, like i said if you google "Do antifa members get medicated for illegal protesting?" it says no, but i admit to hearing voices, so that might be what is getting them to respond the way they do to me. i'm also not claiming to be an antifa member, just that i have specific beliefs that things are wrong and having a hard time living in society with that on my conscious.

they started giving me SSDI money, and feeling like i was getting ignored and in some type of hopeless truman show type situation, i mostly do not act out in public anymore.. i'm currently getting injections cause i live with my parents and they want me to take them. i believe they are gaslighting me in a way incase i get in more trouble, they will look like they are pro-med so they can get custody of me instead of having me have to go to jail or some shit... idk. my back injury is actually bad enough where i can get the social security money with out being on the meds says the spine doctor, but i don't know what i'm gonna do when i'm on my own... i' worried about getting blamed for shit and having them drug me on stronger meds i don't want or something. i feel like if i stay in contact with therapists and stuff and just get low dose injection, i'll have less chance of getting in trouble. not really sure there's really a lot of reason for me to be taking the meds, cause i was hearing the audio hallucinations even on the high doses of them. idk... i know enough not to act out in public cause i hate getting medicated though. it's like getting trained once you've been medicated enough, or for me anyways.

 

[4DQSAR]

I can only speak for the UK. Frankly, one has to do something quite serious even to get admitted into a psychiatric unit in the UK. Funding cuts almost certainly have increased the use of depot medications but it's got silly. A month, maybe, three months, exceptional, but we are now seeing six and even twelve month depots appearing and even NHS trusts are noting people who haven't consumed an antipsychotic for 18 month still suffering the after effects.

I don't know the cost for an RSU patient, I think it's about £150,000 per annum, but our four high-security psychatric hospitals cost £175,000-£200,000 per annum per patient. The latter I got confirmation via my friend.

I have always described secure units as 'prisons with pot-plants' and having spent a day with my friend, scary. I wore a shirt and tie to give the appropriate impression and was attacked by one patient who had an odd belief surrounding buttons, of all things. In retrospect I don't think they saw ME as a threat, but for whatever reasons, they felt thretened by buttons.

My snapshot was just a full twenty four hours seeing how it worked and two seperate things became apparent, one concerning the patients, the other concerning the staffing.

Patients: ⅓ seemed utterly normal even over long conversations, ⅓ were odd but often quite charming and kind, then ⅓ where I got a sinking feeling as we didn't seem to inhabit the same reality. That last third were the unpredicatable ones.

Staff: shift-pattens means that patients may see dozens of faces so feel no mutual trust unlike a regular ward where the same nurses would cycle 4 on 4 off, so you get to know them. Actual doctors and consultants were conspicuous by their absence. Never met one in 24 hours.

I don't know if that aligns or differs from your experience.

I know a HR worker who visited both the local prison and the local psychiatric unit and when asked which was the scarier, without hesitation they said the psychatric unit. In the UK we do try to move patients into supported housing so they have their own private space and can do as they please. Shop, cook, eat, bathe, play computer games or whatever. It is THEIR home. Mostly the sole condition is when they tell the person in the office when they go out and when they return. Heck, I would feel safer if someone was looking out for me on that basis.

Does the US use this methadology?

 

[ions]

Insurance companies pay big pharma $42,000 a year for my injections. That I never agreed to. and don't want.