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Lysergamides Syrian Rue + LSD

Vanilla_Incense

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I'm considering doing the combo of LSD + Syrian Rue. What is the general advice for this combo? Should I extract the MAOIs from the seeds or should I just grind them up and swallow them? Also what dosages should I consider starting with this combo? Also what should I expect from this combo and what can I expect to get out of the experience? For reference I have done LSD many times but never touched MAOI's in general.
 
Khacorrat and myself discussed this pretty well earlier this month in this thread here, you may find some useful information: https://www.bluelight.org/community/threads/making-ayahausca.952799/page-2#post-16417399

Feel free to ask any further questions here though and I'll get back to them!
In the thread you say you need far less LSD than normal. What does that mean? For a solid trip I can take about 200ug, definitely gone way above that before :LOL: but 200ug normally gets me pretty "out there". Also I'm curious about how I should dose with the syrian rue. Should I just grind it up or should I actually extract the MAOI's (I've seen quite a few guides on how to do it with just kitchen equipment and someone in the thread you linked recommended doing the extraction). How much should I actually take for a first time?

It's been a while since I've taken psychedelics (recently I've only done LSA sublingualy with ground up Hawaiian baby woodrose seeds) so I'm looking for some solid advice on how I should approach this trip. A step by step guide would be super useful for me if thats not too much of an ask :)
 
In the thread you say you need far less LSD than normal. What does that mean? For a solid trip I can take about 200ug, definitely gone way above that before :LOL: but 200ug normally gets me pretty "out there". Also I'm curious about how I should dose with the syrian rue. Should I just grind it up or should I actually extract the MAOI's (I've seen quite a few guides on how to do it with just kitchen equipment and someone in the thread you linked recommended doing the extraction). How much should I actually take for a first time?

It's been a while since I've taken psychedelics (recently I've only done LSA sublingualy with ground up Hawaiian baby woodrose seeds) so I'm looking for some solid advice on how I should approach this trip. A step by step guide would be super useful for me if thats not too much of an ask :)
I would extract from the rue, you don't have to but it'll tame down the nausea dramatically. Use 1/3-1/4 of your normal LSD dose first, then give it a week and try something higher if that wasn't enough but I doubt you'll need to exceed half of your norm.

Start with ~30-50mg of harmaline or harmine when using a pure extract.

I don't know what a step by step guide would look like for the coadministration of two drugs other than "take one" and "then take the other", sorry about that.
 
This guy says it's essential:

"Rue is key. Lsd is way better with rue. Everything is. Yes humanity is deficient in harmalas" kisstoefur, 2026-03-27, h‍ttps://www.instagram.com/ancestralmagi/p/DWXZwJGjIm2/

Using LSD as a substitute for DMT in ayahuasca
If Rue was the only harmala containing plant I'd used or become familiar with in general, I would also think it's something humanity is deficient in, but I'm maybe ~15 different harmala containing plants deep so far in my time of getting to know them, and there is a broad diversity of them out there. Claiming that Tetrapterys methysticum is better than Alicia anisopetala or that either are better than any variety of Banisteriopsis caapi is like saying that LSD is better than 3C-P, or either are better than miprocin. In reality it's all kind of apples-to-oranges, but I'd say that all three of those psychedelics are more useful than (and more fun than) LSA or high dose psilocybin containing fungi, both of which exhibit a certain "punishing" sort of characteristic, and I would say that all three of those harmala containing plants are also less "punishing" or "challenging" than Peganum harmala is.

Keep in mind I'm just speaking from my own subjective tastes here, though I've introduced many people to harmalas and nobody seems to enjoy rue relative to caapi.
 
Thank you so much for this information 🙏. My only other question is timing of doses. Should I take the extract first or the LSD and how long after should I take the other?
 
Does anyone know if this applies strictly to rue? I remember trying the MAOI moclobemide with LSD and not noticing an awful lot of difference. Makes a massive difference to mushrooms tho - makes them a lot more like oral DMT.
 
Does anyone know if this applies strictly to rue? I remember trying the MAOI moclobemide with LSD and not noticing an awful lot of difference. Makes a massive difference to mushrooms tho - makes them a lot more like oral DMT.
Yeah LSD depends more on the harmala synergy than mushrooms do.
Thank you so much for this information 🙏. My only other question is timing of doses. Should I take the extract first or the LSD and how long after should I take the other?
I give it 45 minutes after taking the harmalas, to then take the LSD.
 
Hi everyone, I am interested in trying this out as well and I read the discussion about it in the other thread that @Esperighanto links to above with great interest.

I mainly wanted to ask @Vanilla_Incense if they got around to trying it out yet and if so, what they thought about the experience?
 
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