💊 Drug Discussion 💊 Most Expensive Drug of All Time

[4DQSAR]

Well - there is your window. Give it a decade - watch for cancers.

 

[Dr. John Thackery]

It's going to be a tough one to spot because your typical Monkey Dust user is not you average joe. No indeed, these are overwhelmingly people on the margins of society and whose mortality rate will naturally be higher than the median value.

That said, wasn't the stuff legal in some US states before weed was? So there MAY exist users who do lead a more regulated lifestyle?

I suspect people falling under buses or drowing in six inches of water are you more likely user. But I do not know since I am not based in the US.

even where cannabis is now legal these synthetic noids are widely used among patients receiving narcotics or psychiatric meds that are drug tested. and also patient in rehabs, jobs like police, firefighter, pilots, that will fire you for using legal weed.

and ppl use the ever weirder and weirder analogues of them.

there are some very expensive toxicology labs that test for synthetic cannabinoids but if you check their test menus their tests are about 20 years behind the times. they test for jwh and such (compounds that havnt been used in decades and are illegal now), and since it’s lcms testing the newer cannabinoids of different mass and retention times don’t show up because the MS only monitors the mass and retention time where the compound they are looking for (jwh) is expected.

in our for profit healthcare system practicality or usefulness isn’t the point, just throw a bunch of random drugs into the test panel and charge by the drug and profit. MDEA and methaqualone are on all of these tests also, two drugs that havnt existed in america for nearly half a century, still on every lcms drug panel and still billing for testing for them.

 

[ions]

I guess you could factor the healthcare costs of treatment for ODs or bodily damage into the price a drug costs. and some of those RCs are really bad for you.
My invega shot every month costs insurance companies $3500. Zyprexa is not cheap either. some of them are a thousand dollars for a prescription fill. And of course it's covered by insurance. Because if it weren't people wouldn't buy it. I certainly would not.
The drugs that are cheap and most effective are illegal and still hard to come by for the most part.

 

[Syntherize]

I guess you could factor the healthcare costs of treatment for ODs or bodily damage into the price a drug costs. and some of those RCs are really bad for you.
My invega shot every month costs insurance companies $3500. Zyprexa is not cheap either. some of them are a thousand dollars for a prescription fill. And of course it's covered by insurance. Because if it weren't people wouldn't buy it. I certainly would not.
The drugs that are cheap and most effective are illegal and still hard to come by for the most part.

The system doesn’t want us to truly be healed they just want repeat customers aka “patients” in order to gain net profits while we all suffer, and you are correct in that a lot of useful substances get left on the back-burner because they work “too good”. It’s just like the Ibogaine post I shared a couple days ago. I’m glad that people within the government are waking up nowadays or at least they’re trying to.

 

[ions]

The DEA, FDA, DOJ, and NIDA are all hellbent on presenting drugs of pleasure as bad drugs and only demonstrate or research the negative effects.
The voters got their heads in the game for legal weed. at least.
And you're right @Syntherize treating a patient for life is much more profitable than taking a medicine once and feeling better after.

 

[Dr. John Thackery]

I’m glad that people within the government are waking up nowadays or at least they’re trying to.

they aren’t waking up to anything. this is bait to distract from an illegal war and the president being a known rapist, sinking the economy and will NEVER be approved for patient use in the US.

just like weed being rescheduled - never happened and was just a distraction

try and get this past the rehab industry and the suboxone/methadone industry and the law enforcement industry….never happening.

joe rogan is a drug addicted moron with zero knowledge about addiction or ibogaines use therein that was high on mushrooms one day and told his dementia ridden friend to make certain drugs legal and that’s about the extent of thinking that went into this.

you have academics scientist experts in ibogaine like the guy that invented 18-MC (Glick) and the woman from the university of miami deborah Mash who have had their funding in this same area of research obliterated by the trump administration and joe rogan didn’t get stoned one day and tell trump about their research so fuck them and their research of actually trying to get an ibogaine analogue approved.

 

[Featherfall]

they aren’t waking up to anything. this is bait to distract from an illegal war and the president being a known child rapist and will NEVER be approved for patient use in the US.

joe rogan is a drug addicted moron with zero knowledge about addiction or ibogaines use therein that told his dementia ridden friend to make certain drugs legal and that’s about the extent of thinking that went into this.

you have academics scientist experts in ibogaine like the guy that invented 18-MC (Gilbert?) and the woman from the university of miami who have had their funding in this same area of research obliterated by the trump administration and joe rogan didn’t get stoned one day and tell trump about their research so fuck them and their research of actually trying to get an ibogaine analogue approved.

it is darkly humerous they do this after basically kneecapping 1000s of research grants and instituions, bit like a kiss after they spit in your face

 

[cnnka]

I guess you could factor the healthcare costs of treatment for ODs or bodily damage into the price a drug costs. and some of those RCs are really bad for you.
My invega shot every month costs insurance companies $3500. Zyprexa is not cheap either. some of them are a thousand dollars for a prescription fill. And of course it's covered by insurance. Because if it weren't people wouldn't buy it. I certainly would not.
The drugs that are cheap and most effective are illegal and still hard to come by for the most part.

Zyprexa costs Pennie’s around here OTC

 

[Syntherize]

Zyprexa costs Pennie’s around here OTC

I once got charged almost $1500 for my Seroquil script (30-400mg pills) bc my insurance glitched that day and I had one of the best ones in the NE USA from my prior job. It’s disgusting how they treat patients and btw, my clonazepam prescription only costed $25 along with my Ambien for the same rate. They’re just trying to milk the people who really need these meds and it’s bullshit!

 

[ions]

I looked up the average cost for Zyprexa being $638 for 30 5mg.
Generic stuff with a coupon code can be bought for $20

 

[Dr. John Thackery]

I once got charged almost $1500 for my Seroquil script (30-400mg pills) bc my insurance glitched that day and I had one of the best ones in the NE USA from my prior job. It’s disgusting how they treat patients and btw, my clonazepam prescription only costed $25 along with my Ambien for the same rate. They’re just trying to milk the people who really need these meds and it’s bullshit!

this is what happens when scientific research is a private commercial enterprise. the ppl the invested in it want to make off like bandits when they get a product approved.

nobody gives a shit about inventing medicines or curing diseases. We only do it because there are massive profits to be made.

even with things that should be totally nationalized like weapons and defense, it’s a private industry designed to bleed the workers dry of everything that their community and lives could be.

if you didn’t have ppl profiting billions off new drugs, nobody would bother inventing them because humans are worse than a cancer in the sense that they are not even interested in propagating themselves as a whole. they are individual cancer cells that will kill all the other cancer cells if it means they get slightly ahead.

when ppl argue that capitalism breeds invocation; yes unfortunately capitalism is the only way that progress will ever be made on anything because the alternative of working together collectively is not the nature of this disgusting species we are a part of.

as long as we are talking about ridiculous drug prices, there are certain biologics that run 3 million USD per injection.

 

[4DQSAR]

and ppl use the ever weirder and weirder analogues of them.

Most nations used Markush structures to define the illegality of any and all compounds derived from centrain central motifs.

So the selective CB1 ligands all became illegal. So, as the laws of supply and demand negotiate, non-selective ligands quicklly replaced them.

Maybe this is why such things a Monkey Dust is so vastly different to Δ9THC?

Certainly many regular users state that a phyical dependence is formed. But since the specific ligands change so often, it's hard to study what is really happening.

 

[Syntherize]

Most nations used Markush structures to define the illegality of any and all compounds derived from one centrain central motifs.

So the selective CB1 ligands all became illegal. So, as the laws of supply and demand negotiate, non-selective ligands quicklly replaced them.

Maybe this is why such things a Monkey Dust is so vastly different to Δ9THC?

Certainly many regular users state that a phyical dependence is formed. But since the specific ligands change so often, it's hard to study what is really happening.

Good point. IDK…

 

[cnnka]

I looked up the average cost for Zyprexa being $638 for 30 5mg.
Generic stuff with a coupon code can be bought for $20

Original brand name zyprexa around here from official government pharmacy page ( I’ve bought it a lot of times for my grandma is cheaper when doctors prescribed it)
This price is for OTC without prescription
14.35€ for 28 tablets 5MG.

 

[ions]

Ours is Rx only I think. Sorry, I know I'm posting from the US in a EADD thread. but I thought it was a neat thread topic.
Anyway, when I was prescribed it years ago 2010 or so. It was $1300 to insurance for a fill. There may have still been a patent on it at the time. @cnnka

 

[Dr. John Thackery]

Most nations used Markush structures to define the illegality of any and all compounds

and that’s how you get even nastier and more unpredictable drugs by circumventing the scope of a more broadly banned genus.

 

[4DQSAR]

and that’s how you get even nastier and more unpredictable drugs by circumventing the scope of a more broadly banned genus.

Wise words.

I do keep on mentioning that banning the prescribing of opioids let to the fentanyl crisis, the US pressue on China meant that nitazenes look positioned to replace them and oh boy, you don't want to know what other evil opioids are lurking in the wings.

I was somewhat taken aback to discover that a large cafrentanil network was operating in Canada but so big that it seems the chemist was not apprehended and more carfentanil is now heading south.

I assume this one person builds turn-key labs i.e. the owner(s) are just handed the keys and the chemist cuts with the cash; cuts FAST. Maybe a 'how to' document is included and maybe a 'show and tell' session is undertaken - but the chemist, he gone in a day. Hard to catch.

 

[N0ph0n0]

Wise words.

I do keep on mentioning that banning the prescribing of opioids let to the fentanyl crisis, the US pressue on China meant that nitazenes look positioned to replace them and oh boy, you don't want to know what other evil opioids are lurking in the wings.

I was somewhat taken aback to discover that a large cafrentanil network was operating in Canada but so big that it seems the chemist was not apprehended and more carfentanil is now heading south.

I assume this one person builds turn-key labs i.e. the owner(s) are just handed the keys and the chemist cuts with the cash; cuts FAST. Maybe a 'how to' document is included and maybe a 'show and tell' session is undertaken - but the chemist, he gone in a day. Hard to catch.

It's probably run by the triads, im guessing they just sent one of their factory chemist up in Canada so he could show the guys oversea how to transform the precursors into carfent then left back to China.

 

[Syntherize]

It's probably run by the triads, im guessing they just sent one of their factory chemist up in Canada so he could show the guys oversea how to transform the precursors into carfent then left back to China.

Probably the Tongs since the real Triads are in East Asia and the Tongs are the branch here in the Americas…

 

[Dr. John Thackery]

you don't want to know what other evil opioids are lurking in the wings.

i’m a bit of an accelerationist and enjoy seeing humanity reap what it has sown. this species is a cancer and anything that punishes it brings a smirk to my face.

so yes i do want to know how nasty the next generation of opioids will be. please do tell.