What is wrong with the MDMA available today? - v2

[AutoTripper]

I actually love that you mention this.

Because instead of Todays MDMA vs 90's MDMA. it reads Todays MDMA vs last summers MDMA.

It doesn't prove anything ofc, but tells me people are trying to recreate a memory or a group of memories that just may not be possible anymore because now... it's this summer, and we're different people in different situations with different lives.

Really seems to me like people are chasing a memory instead of a molecule.

I totally a, sure you’ve right out misinterpreted me again because it doesn’t slightly resonate what you are saying, I’m being taken literally incorrectly.

I refer to the millions of cries I witness today of others everywhere every any age background experience level etc, and longterm veterans too who openly confess to still rolling if they find genuine MDMA but it sounds like a needle in a haystack I was just imaginatively prapaphrasing to make my point because the truth is it’s become like this.


I never had this experience this longing holding onto memories of the good roll not slightly I lived always in the moment I was really interested in a number of hallucinaogens and cannabis school education working etc you misunderstand me.


You survey people then now. For many I bet they’d say they got the best stuff they’ve had in a while, a while ago, have been looking for it since since that “special role last summer”

Not me. I am not confident you will understand my thought processes with respect as I use language quite differently and if taken too bluntly literally easily mistaken.

 

[vash445]

There is definitely something scientifically proven if you research about 5-12 pages back, I talk about this from an academic standpoint and not just personal experience, so it definitely lines up.

 

[AutoTripper]

Again ... This meh was at a manufacturer level. And not pills either, too much variance while pressing.

There was no ephedrine in this example or BZP or cathonies either.

This was BULK CHEMISTRY on the hive using safrole and or piperonal..

No cuts, not butts. Just meh encountered Durning bulk production

I'm not saying BZP or ephedrine pills were or weren't a thing ... they definitely were. What I am saying is BULK PRODUCTION of Pure MDMA at the chemists leveldid in fact chime in of meh using safrole. These weren't middle men. These were the bulk source of production

I do hope more and more people like threepointcircle will be willing to replicate my hypothesis on double recrystallization

First with dH20 or more preferred pure water (much higher purity the dH20) pure enough to run liquid cooling in a PC pure.

Then recrystallized again. But not everyone is willing to experiment and fail and learn so I get it. But hopefully more and more will try and chime in.

I’m saying they were seperate. Lol always f totally misunderstood. Meh= existed, sans ephedrine, sans caffeine. Meh existed too, with ephedrine and or caffeine, as did true MDMA MDA MDE likewise.

I was simply saying the pure ephedrine and caffeine pills would be almost a better experience often than the genuine meh.

 

[vash445]

I totally a, sure you’ve right out misinterpreted me again because it doesn’t slightly resonate what you are saying, I’m being taken literally incorrectly.

I refer to the millions of cries I witness today of others everywhere every any age background experience level etc, and longterm veterans too who openly confess to still rolling if they find genuine MDMA but it sounds like a needle in a haystack I was just imaginatively prapaphrasing to make my point because the truth is it’s become like this.


I never had this experience this longing holding onto memories of the good roll not slightly I lived always in the moment I was really interested in a number of hallucinaogens and cannabis school education working etc you misunderstand me.


You survey people then now. For many I bet they’d say they got the best stuff they’ve had in a while, a while ago, have been looking for it since since that “special role last summer”

Not me. I am not confident you will understand my thought processes with respect as I use language quite differently and if taken too bluntly literally easily mistaken.

And I'm saying, side by side,

There is definitely something even without THE MEMORY

When I give MDMA virgins meh day 1

And then magic. There is no chasing a memory

They felt meh, hate it feel practically nothing but I can give them magic the next day and they feel what I'm and others talking about

There is no chasing a past

If virgins have no point of reference no history of the 90s for these people.

My point of reference is MEH MDMA You can only take at max once every 3 months if that

Magic. I can roll 3 days in a row with no profound loss of effect.

It's one thing if it's a 1 off. But it's been repeated within my circle to others who I don't know. And I ask them to experiment with MDMA virgins if you can find them.

PS this is usually done double blind over a few months to a year sorta deal


But I definitely have given them meh, and then magic

Day 1 meh day 2 magic. And they can definitely pin point with no reference of "90s MDMA history"

 

[Didgital]

are moaning in desperate search of MDMA like the one they had last summer.

I actually love that you mention this.

Because instead of Todays MDMA vs 90's MDMA. it reads Todays MDMA vs last summers MDMA.

It doesn't prove anything ofc, but implies to me that some people are trying to recreate a memory or a group of memories that just may not be possible anymore because now... it's this summer, and we're different people in different situations with different lives. Unless there's some huge disruption in the supply chain of precursor molecules that I didn't hear about (guess what there hasn't been, same PMK Ethyl Glycidate is still being produced in china and if its not sent to the USA, its sent to places like canada where they process it and bring it into the USA in literal pallets.

Really seems to me like people are chasing a memory instead of a molecule.

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I'm not sure if current readers are aware of my past or my many previous posts in this thread where I provided actual Lab reports of super high quality MDMA, but I'll catch anyone up who hasn't been part of this thread for months/years. I used to work at a testing facility, equipped with HPLC, GCMS, polarimeter etc and I've personally tested hundreds of samples of MDMA, MDA, ketamine, cocaine, 2C's, Mescaline, all sorts of tryptamines etc. This an exaggeration but if you name it (aside from fentanyl/opiods or lysergamides) I've probably tested it.

Scroll back through a hundred pages of theory/conjecture/rambling bs, and youll find a dozen or so GC/MS chromatograms with single peaks and calculated purity of +99.5% up to 99.9%. If an impurity was found it was almost always piperonyl methyl ketone, which is the standard (inactive) precursor for making MDMA, whether its made from safrole or the more recent PMK glycidates/glycidic acid which have been the standard precursor since circa 2010 area. There's some new acetyl yada yada precursor that's designed to get around current control laws, but I'd bet you money that it probably still proceeds via PMK. Someone correct me if I'm wrong. Please.

Please correct me if I'm wrong.

Youll also see a few chromatograms that have multiple peaks, Always a major peak and a blip. If you check the spectral data of each of the different peaks, they give the exact same chemical fingerprint so to speak. This is implying presence of hydrated forms of MDMA, but it's still MDMA, and it still interacts with receptors in the exact same way. They form different peaks because the hydrated form which has a weak bond to a water molecule has a slightly different mass and a slightly different boiling point, so they vaporize at very slightly different temperatures. Which makes sense as a more massive molecule might require more energy to phase change into a gaseous state. But in the brain, they're both MDMA. It doesn't matter what salt form or if it's a hydrate or a polymorph. Those things affect pharmacodynamics like bioavailability and distribution, but they do not affect how the MDMA interacts with receptor systems. Beyond the Blood Brain Barrier, they'll all MDMA. They don't affect pharmakinetics either which is how the body transforms the drug. Youre still going to excrete the same metabolites. I

I'd like to say regarding hydrates which are often seen as potential reasons for MehDMA, a simple test for any chemist that can form a salt, simply take your MDMA, turn it back into a freebase. And then turn it back into the HCL salt by 2 different methods. One being using aqueous HCL, which seems to be the way vast majority of people do it as its easier/safer which creates hydrated forms, and then try it with a 2nd method by dissolving the freebase into anhydrous acetone and then salting with anhydrous HCL as a gas (easily made by dripping sulfuric acid on to sodium chloride and running gas through dessicant like CaCl2. The anhydrous method will not produce hydrates. Take it fresh before it can form hydrates from moisture in the air and compare it to the MDMA made using aqueous HCL. That'd be a really good way that we can end the conversation on hydrated forms vs anhydrous. I'm personally not going to do it because it's illegal and I don't think it would change a damn thing about peoples opinions here. Obviously I'd do it wrong or I've never taken good MDMA from the 90s so I can't be a good judge of quality.

Point is there is still plenty of good MDMA out there, and at least from what I have seen, the vast majority of it is decent quality. I may be spoiled in what is accessible to me, but I'd like to think after hundreds of MDMA analyses specifically, that I'd see something very off about one.

Note that I'm not saying bad or contaminated or adulterated MDMA doesn't exist. I'm sure it does, but then... its not really just MDMA, and shouldn't be compared to MDMA. I'm not speaking out of conjecture, I base my beliefs on hard data.

What has upset me about this thread and why you can likely hear the tone of frustration in my words, is because whenever I have posted hard data, technical reports or chromatograms, I hear either crickets, or statements such as my machine is malfunctioning or I'm not reading the data right, or my machines is simply incapable of detecting these magical impurities that vastly affect the experience. These magical impurities can only be detected with Nuclear magnetic Resonance spectroscopy which is way beyond the reach of most facilities not tied to universities or pharmaceutical corportations. Feel free to waste your money at Kykeon, though I'd love to hear what they have to say.

I am currently setting up something called Ultra High Pressure/Performance Liquid Chromatography Quadropole Time Of Flight Mass Spectrometer otherwise simplified as a UHPLC-Q/TOF-MS. I can't wait to get it up and running so I can present hard date with even more accuracy just to be ignored again.

I really don't want to expose myself anymore than I have already, but something I've never stated until right now, is that I actually am in contact with some of original people who were involved in both the distribution of the 90's Dallas ecstasy that everyone raves about as well as the underground therapy movement that was blossoming at the time. The therapists hate or strongly discouraged people like Michael Clegg (distributor) who certainly hastened its eventual scheduling as an illegal controlled substance. What I'm getting at, is I never heard from of any of these people that MDMA today is any different than it was back then. I only hear that on the internet. And my own analyses tend to agree that good MDMA is still very available.

I can't speak for UK scene as I wasn't around then and I don't know anyone from that era.

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Sorry. Rant Over

 

[Didgital]

Not me. I am not confident you will understand my thought processes with respect as I use language quite differently and if taken too bluntly literally easily mistaken.

I can see you use language very different and in a flowery and not straight to the point kind of way. If you want to argue just to argue, you'll fit in great in this thread.

I'm not one just to argue for the sake of it. But I have found it's really easy just to set people who do, on ignore. Life is certainly a bit more peaceful that way. I'm out for now.

 

[fuckabout89]

And I'm saying, side by side,

There is definitely something even without THE MEMORY

When I give MDMA virgins meh

And then magic. There is no chasing a memory

They felt meh, hate it feel practically nothing but I can give them magic the next day and they feel what I'm and others talking about

There is no chasing a past

If virgins have np point of reference

My point of reference is MEH MDMA You can only take at max once every 3 months if that

Magic. I can roll 3 days in a row with no profound loss of effect.

Lmao we drug addicts instead of arguing over politics we argue about what synthesis is the best. Schizos like me take it too the extreme. Lol love it.

 

[vash445]

you been saying that for years lol and then you couldnt even figure out how to read a basic nmr graph lmao you have zero credibility

Meh I'm just a guy willing to buy safrole

Willing to lose 250g-1kg to crack this mystery

To submit NMR samples etc etc

Willing to lose thousands just to fix a clearly production issue. That can probably be fixed via ball mill

Or for the home chemistry in all of us. Double recrystallization

 

[vash445]

I actually love that you mention this.

Because instead of Todays MDMA vs 90's MDMA. it reads Todays MDMA vs last summers MDMA.

It doesn't prove anything ofc, but implies to me that some people are trying to recreate a memory or a group of memories that just may not be possible anymore because now... it's this summer, and we're different people in different situations with different lives. Unless there's some huge disruption in the supply chain of precursor molecules that I didn't hear about (guess what there hasn't been, same PMK Ethyl Glycidate is still being produced in china and if its not sent to the USA, its sent to places like canada where they process it and bring it into the USA in literal pallets.

Really seems to me like people are chasing a memory instead of a molecule.

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I'm not sure if current readers are aware of my past or my many previous posts in this thread where I provided actual Lab reports of super high quality MDMA, but I'll catch anyone who hasn't been part of this thread for months/years. I used to work at a testing facility, equipped with HPLC, GCMS, polarimeter etc and I've personally tested hundreds of samples of MDMA, MDA, ketamine, cocaine, 2C's, Mescaline, all sorts of tryptamines etc. This an exaggeration but if you name it (aside from fentanyl/opiods or lysergamides) I've probably tested it.

Scroll back through a hundred pages of theory/conjecture/rambling bs, and youll find a dozen or so GC/MS chromatograms with single peaks and calculated purity of +99.5% up to 99.9%. If an impurity was found it was almost always piperonyl methyl ketone, which is the standard (inactive) precursor for making MDMA, whether its made from safrole or the more recent PMK glycidates/glycidic acid which have been the standard precursor since circa 2010 area. There's some new acetyl yada yada precursor that's designed to get around current control laws, but I'd bet you money that it probably still proceeds via PMK. Someone correct me if I'm wrong. Please.

Please correct me if I'm wrong.

Youll also see a few chromatograms that have multiple peaks, Always a major peak and a blip. If you check the spectral data of each of the different peaks, they give the exact same chemical fingerprint so to speak. This is implying presence of hydrated forms of MDMA, but it's still MDMA, and it still interacts with receptors in the exact same way. They form different peaks because the hydrated form which has a weak bond to a water molecule has a slightly different mass and a slightly different boiling point, so they vaporize at very slightly different temperatures. Which makes sense as a more massive molecule might require more energy to phase change into a gaseous state. But in the brain, they're both MDMA. It doesn't matter what salt form or if it's a hydrate or a polymorph. Those things affect pharmacodynamics like bioavailability and distribution, but they do not affect how the MDMA interacts with receptor systems. Beyond the Blood Brain Barrier, they'll all MDMA. They don't affect pharmakinetics either which is how the body transforms the drug. Youre still going to excrete the same metabolites. I

I'd like to say regarding hydrates which are often seen as potential reasons for MehDMA, a simple test for any chemist that can form a salt, simply take your MDMA, turn it back into a freebase. And then turn it back into the HCL salt by 2 different methods. One being using aqueous HCL, which seems to be the way vast majority of people do it as its easier/safer which creates hydrated forms, and then try it with a 2nd method by dissolving the freebase into anhydrous acetone and then salting with anhydrous HCL as a gas (easily made by dripping sulfuric acid on to sodium chloride and running gas through dessicant like CaCl2. The anhydrous method will not produce hydrates. Take it fresh before it can form hydrates from moisture in the air and compare it to the MDMA made using aqueous HCL. That'd be a really good way that we can end the conversation on hydrated forms vs anhydrous. I'm personally not going to do it because it's illegal and I don't think it would change a damn thing about peoples opinions here. Obviously I'd do it wrong or I've never taken good MDMA from the 90s so I can't be a good judge of quality.

Point is there is still plenty of good MDMA out there, and at least from what I have seen, the vast majority of it is decent quality. I may be spoiled in what is accessible to me, but I'd like to think after hundreds of MDMA analyses specifically, that I'd see something very off about one.

Note that I'm not saying bad or contaminated or adulterated MDMA doesn't exist. I'm sure it does, but then... its not really just MDMA, and shouldn't be compared to MDMA. I'm not speaking out of conjecture, I base my beliefs on hard data.

What has upset me about this thread and why you can likely hear the tone of frustration in my words, is because whenever I have posted hard data, technical reports or chromatograms, I hear either crickets, or statements such as my machine is malfunctioning or I'm not reading the data right, or my machines is simply incapable of detecting these magical impurities that vastly affect the experience. These magical impurities can only be detected with Nuclear magnetic Resonance spectroscopy which is way beyond the reach of most facilities not tied to universities or pharmaceutical corportations. Feel free to waste your money at Kykeon, though I'd love to hear what they have to say.

I am currently setting up something called Ultra High Pressure/Performance Liquid Chromatography Quadropole Time Of Flight Mass Spectrometer otherwise simplified as a UHPLC-Q/TOF-MS. I can't wait to get it up and running so I can present hard date with even more accuracy just to be ignored again.

I really don't want to expose myself anymore than I have already, but something I've never stated until right now, is that I actually am in contact with some of original people who were involved in both the distribution of the 90's Dallas ecstasy that everyone raves about as well as the underground therapy movement that was blossoming at the time. The therapists hate or strongly discouraged people like Michael Clegg (distributor) who certainly hastened its eventual scheduling as an illegal controlled substance. What I'm getting at, is I never heard from of any of these people that MDMA today is any different than it was back then. I only hear that on the internet. And my own analyses tend to agree that good MDMA is still very available.

I can't speak for UK scene as I wasn't around then and I don't know anyone from that era.

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Sorry. Rant Over

Most MDMA is hydrated according to Dutch lab testing

This is confirmed by dripping HCl not using gas.

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S2468170922000674

Assessment of seized casework materials showed that the majority of MDMA·HCl in The Netherlands is of the hydrated type. This is explained by the use of water-containing concentrated hydrochloric acid in the final conversion step of MDMA-base to the hydrochloride salt in clandestine laboratories. These findings provide insight in the challenges associated with NIR-based identification of drugs that may appear in various crystalline forms. Awareness on the existence of these forms and the consequences of library and data-model design to cope with this phenomenon will increase the robustness of on-site NIR-based drug detection.

What hydrate I'm not sure

But I can tell you a long recrystallization with dH20 changed the structure of meh into meh

Recrystallization again from that into acetone made magic.

There clearly is something to this as it's such highly talked about

Even in the 90s this WAS AN ISSUE.

Just read the hive. The evidence of meh was definitely there.

 

[vash445]

Note that the spectra of the commonly encountered hydrated 3,4-MDMA HCl form is not shown. A similar figure with hydrated MDMA can be found as Fig. S3 in the Supplemental Information.

It must be noted that the presented spectra originate from the anhydrous hydrochloride salts of the drug. Especially for 3,4-MDMA HCl is it known that multiple polymorphous crystalline forms with a different degree of hydration exist [50], [51]. The crystalline form commonly encountered in The Netherlands is the hydrated form that shows a notable spectral peak at 2020 nm [22], [52], [53]. Fig. S3 in the Supplemental Information shows the same MDMA-analogue spectra as Fig. 2, but now overlayed with the spectrum of hydrated 3,4-MDMA HCl. The corresponding second derivative spectra can be found in Fig. S4. The large differences between the hydrated and anhydrous crystalline form illustrate that care needs to be taken in the development of NIR-based models and libraries for substances that exist in various crystalline forms (e.g. salt forms, hydration polymorphisms).

 

[AutoTripper]

And I'm saying, side by side,

There is definitely something even without THE MEMORY

When I give MDMA virgins meh day 1

And then magic. There is no chasing a memory

They felt meh, hate it feel practically nothing but I can give them magic the next day and they feel what I'm and others talking about

There is no chasing a past

If virgins have no point of reference no history of the 90s for these people.

My point of reference is MEH MDMA You can only take at max once every 3 months if that

Magic. I can roll 3 days in a row with no profound loss of effect.

It's one thing if it's a 1 off. But it's been repeated within my circle to others who I don't know. And I ask them to experiment with MDMA virgins if you can find them.

PS this is usually done double blind over a few months to a year sorta deal


But I definitely have given them meh, and then magic

Day 1 meh day 2 magic. And they can definitely pin point with no reference of "90s MDMA history"

Now that all resonates indeed. Particularly the emphasis you place on necessity to 3 month gap with meh.

We probably did lol in truth in the circulation of things otherwise…gaps?? lol not joking.

Even during my 2nd University year exam week somehow I went on another 8 day heavy exstacy bender instead of revising, I’d taken note in classes both literally and mentally, visually in particular so I just winged every exam making it up.

I was pretty bent increasingly as the week rolled but somehow ended up with 56% where 60 is needed eventually for a 2:1, with the final year grade counting 2/3 of the way.

So considering, not just to pass all at 40 but to be very well situated I do not know what faculties I must have list since, which enabled me then.


I theorised too the modern fake meh in particular maybe more than the old, must be to blame for the apparently devastating tragic LTC reports from one two or three uses even.

So yeah just looking again and I think my own experience supports all you are saying.

It is reassuring to hear both- newbies can totally appreciate magic off the bat and right next to meh and- that you also, like me, can roll many consecutive days without losing effects actually can get more messy like 3/4 day festivals.

 

[vash445]

Particularly the emphasis you place on necessity to 3 month gap with meh.

Yep for me the BIGGEST indicator of meh is the need to wait 3+ months for " the magic" to return

With true magic I can go back to back. That's the biggest indicator for me at least when I have meh

But magic don't get me wrong, I do lose some effect day 2/3. But the loss of effect with magic is definitely not as profound as it is with meh.

Idk when I noticed it. But I DID notice that smoking gun. When I did convert the meh back into magic.

 

[AutoTripper]

I can see you use language very different and in a flowery and not straight to the point kind of way. If you want to argue just to argue, you'll fit in great in this thread.

I'm not one just to argue for the sake of it. But I have found it's really easy just to set people who do, on ignore. Life is certainly a bit more peaceful that way. I'm out for now.

Hey I do apologise and not only to appease because I also do not seek to argue or disagree. Nor offend irritate anger frustrate or upset.

I was not frustrated, with yourself. I was frustrated hours ago middle night awoken feeling very sick I managed to vaporize two very good bowls of organic flower and 2 Amnesia Haze dabs always helps reduce all symptoms however my head was scrambled from I’ll state still attempting to make sense, I thought I was but I know I am naturally far from the easiest person to understand.

It was frustrating feeling genuinely so mistaken so real apologies for any apparent hostility and none of my comments were intended to be rude.

I just did not appreciate how argumentative this thread appears to have remained generally with an unusually serious feeling for Bluelight as well.

I like “flowery” I’m okay with that. I’d call it articulate and vocabularily imaginative and unique but flowery is good lol!

 

[vash445]

Hey I do apologise and not only to appease because I also do not seek to argue or disagree. Nor offend irritate anger frustrate or upset.

I was not frustrated, with yourself. I was frustrated hours ago middle night awoken feeling very sick I managed to vaporize two very good bowls of organic flower and 2 Amnesia Haze dabs always helps reduce all symptoms however my head was scrambled from I’ll state still attempting to make sense, I thought I was but I know I am naturally far from the easiest person to understand.

It was frustrating feeling genuinely so mistaken so real apologies for any apparent hostility and none of my comments were intended to be rude.

I just did not appreciate how argumentative this thread appears to have remained generally with an unusually serious feeling for Bluelight as well.

I like “flowery” I’m okay with that. I’d call it articulate and vocabularily imaginative and unique but flowery is good lol!

Hey I do apologise and not only to appease because I also do not seek to argue or disagree. Nor offend irritate anger frustrate or upset.

I was not frustrated, with yourself.or anyone It's just people are getting on my nerves

Partially here. But also Egypt. I'm just saying my experiences do not lineup that all MDMA is magic. Because in my experience only magic MDMA I can continue to abuse without the need for an extended break

Doesn't help both CBD and THC is also illegal XD

 

[Allylbenzene]

Prescribing a well known, thoroughly studied and approved medication with a percent of intolerance that sits below the established threshold is not, by any stretch of the imagination or loose legal interpretation, "medical negligence".

When doctors prescribe a medication which ends up damaging the patient I'd class this as negligence albeit systemic in nature. It goes beyond mere negligence since the guidelines dictate that x medication must be prescribed in y scenario. In other words, doctors are just following guidelines and any iatrogenic harm isn't their fault.

Is it the only system you've experienced?
What, the U.S. system with its 50 separate state systems?

To clarify, I meant medicinal system or framework. A question of culture perhaps. I don't think you're one of those American citizens who can't point to Europe on a map.

No one I know in the U.S. is enamored with U.S. healthcare.

Since most people in the US/Canada/UK/etc have only ever known western medicine then they'll tend to become enamoured with it for varying reasons.

And how do you propose these statistics are being "manicured" exactly?

I'll have to find the study. It's been months since I read it and hundreds have passed across my desk since then.

Strange rhetoric, "enable" and "enact". And why would a doctor want to "enact medical negligence"?

Doctors might unintentionally enact medical negligence by either prescribing an acceptably harmful medication or simply prescribing a medication inappropriately. Regarding my 2nd point - yes, I know you demand peer-reviewed backing, whether it's halal or kosher I don't mind. Do Christians have their own equivalent I wonder.

Well then how would that constitute negligence if they "don't know better"...

Negligent implies inattention to one's duty or business. Doctors are in the business of helping patients. If they don't know better this is indicative of inadequate training or incompetence. Rather than blame doctors personally I'd highlight the educational inadequacies.

...and what makes you think that you somehow do know better, despite lacking qualifications to do so, or at least a doctor's education and experience?

Doctors are very well-trained to dispense drugs but are often surprisingly unaware of the underlying biochemistry involved in said drugs. A junior doctor from the US told me that his training module on biochemistry was inexplicably brief which he found deplorable.

A realistic understanding of the biochemistry of statins is sure to assist a doctors decision-making. This understanding is not necessary for a doctor to prescribe statins.

No, it's pretty far from neutral in my opinion, not when you yourself have had negative experiences with a drug class...

I haven't.

...and you're arguing that it's negligent simply for a doctor to prescribe statins despite their proven record of effectiveness, imperfect though it may be, like other medications.

The entire basis for the drug class itself is the issue which is slowly being recognised in the literature (props to the authors). That's a discussion for the other thread I made about raising awareness on statin-related damage and toxicity. The paper by the American Heart Association on statin toxicity is rather positive I must say.

Well how do you mean "corporate healthcare" and as opposed to what? Public healthcare? Private healthcare? Self-employed healthcare?

It would imply the ecosystem of modern medicine; eg insurance companies, pharmaceutical companies and their relevant educational establishment aspects.

Yeah well, in my more cynical moments, I consider that hospitals and medical practices are for-profit businesses

Not just hospitals and medical practices. Arguably the entire ecosystem of healthcare, particularly pharmaceutical companies who establish a dazzling array of conditions for which they develop wonderful drugs for dealers trained doctors to distribute.

Modern medicine is goddamn wizardry in the way it combines technology, science, and practical application to our staggeringly complex biological systems and similar-though-unique biochemical makeup.

Enamoured indeed.

The caveat is that they must also list any and all side-effects no matter how small of a percent occurrence that reaction is. And while I have no figures in front of me, my best speculation is that these adverse effects are most certainly neither underrepresented nor underreported.

This reads like you're "blinded by enamoured faith" so to speak. It's what you'd expect when someone holds modern medicine in very high regard and knows for a fact that it's standards are imperceptibly high.

Weird conclusion. How about, different people respond differently to the same medication? "Indiscernible from aging" is a ridiculous claim.

It's ridiculous if one doesn't understand the complex biochemistry that underlies how statins function.

"Somewhat unique" is not a thing. Unique means "one-of-a-kind".

It's probably a peculiarity of certain english dialects from England.

Other books by other authors.
So in other words, you're bullshitting and basing your argument on Gary Null's profit-incentivized opinion.

No I just didn't bother to spend time collating book titles. The relevant books are all on Amazon. His & the coauthors opinion is a bit more complex than your take.

You can't blame doctors for working within the set legal framework, they're just doing their job (this is another neutral observation).
Then why are you claiming medical negligence?

Negligent implies inattention to one's duty or business. Technically the tendency to incur patient harm is built-in to the drug prescription guidelines - so that's not negligence you're right.

To bring things back on topic, the [rhetorical] question is what type of quartz polymorph is this sand composed? Is "meh-MDMA" merely an internet-based phenomenon spurred on by impure or mislabelled product?
None of this ties back to the thread topic nor is that question actually rhetorical or relevant.

It's rhetorical because it's not there to be answered. It's relevant because in your post you invoked your own "foundation of sand". Presumably you used quartz sand, hence the rhetorical question.

 

[notsmokeymcpot42088]

Sorry man I should have responded directly to this. THCA is 100% THCA. It's not THC until you decarboxylate it with heat which converts THCA into THC. You are correct that heating 100mg of THCA converts to 87mg of THC and 13mg of CO2 which goes into the atmosphere. Nothing is lost in chemistry/physics. Law of conservation. Try eating 100mg THCa and you probably won't even feel it. Eat 87mg of THC and you'll be on your ass.

Right I got that -- needs heat to activate ya lose 13% in conversion.... Admittedly it was a skewed metaphor but is MDMA is MDMA is it that certain synth's leave byproducts with (Side) effects -- Or are there some synths where like 95mg for synth a would be equivalent to 100 mg from synth b? (That would again kind of skew my understanding but I am gathering it must be more nuanced on some level than "a molecule is a molecule"?)

nvm @unodelacosa already answered that -- so my understanding is not skewed.

What in the hell are we all talking about here than? If MDMA is MDMA and 1 mg = 1 mg (assuming no active cuts) why on earth would the synth matter; effect wise at least?

Than you for responding at all man!

 

[vash445]

Right I got that -- needs heat to activate ya lose 13% in conversion.... Admittedly it was a skewed metaphor but is MDMA is MDMA is it that certain synth's leave byproducts with (Side) effects -- Or are there some synths where like 95mg for synth a would be equivalent to 100 mg from synth b? (That would again kind of skew my understanding but I am gathering it must be more nuanced on some level than "a molecule is a molecule"?)

nvm @unodelacosa already answered that -- so my understanding is not skewed.

What in the hell are we all talking about here than? If MDMA is MDMA and 1 mg = 1 mg (assuming no active cuts) why on earth would the synth matter; effect wise at least?

Than you for responding at all man!

What in the hell are we all talking about here than? If MDMA is MDMA and 1 mg = 1 mg (assuming no active cuts) why on earth would the synth matter; effect wise at least?

Polymorphs impurities etc

96% MDMA to 99% MDMA is not 3%

But a difference of 75%

While 3% difference seems small (96 vs. 99), it is often considered highly substantial in chemistry.

Impurities Profile: A 96% product contains 4% impurities, while a 99% product contains only 1% impurities. The 96% product has four times more impurities

The number the remaining "gap" to is 75% it is only if you are measuring the reduction of the remaining gap toward 99%


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[notsmokeymcpot42088]

I am familiar with the super meth from breaking bad -- but that was made up? Than again I have read the meth threads p2p v pseudo or whatever -- they certainly seem to feel like there is a difference in effect based on what synth is used.

Polymorphs hey? --- I just made 95 and 99 up as I figured that would be roughly what something like that could leave behind (byproducts) before its a consumer problem.

I bow out respectfully

I know I dont feel the need to try every synth of every drug hoping for extra magic - that is a question noone asked or cares about though

 

[vash445]

I am familiar with the super meth from breaking bad -- but that was made up? Than again I have read the meth threads p2p v pseudo or whatever -- they certainly seem to feel like there is a difference in effect based on what synth is used.

Polymorphs hey? --- I just made 95 and 99 up as I figured that would be roughly what something like that could leave behind (byproducts) before its a consumer problem.

I bow out respectfully

I know I dont feel the need to try every synth of every drug hoping for extra magic - that is a question noone asked or cares about though

That was not made up the 3% is a real thing having a difference of 75% gap up in impurities

 

[Esperighanto]

Great way to get your door kicked in and there are stories of exactly that happening. I would recommend everyone stop listening to Vash immediately. I've help my tongue for too long. Besides incoherent ranting, I really don't want people to get into trouble for listening to his very very poor advice. It's beyond conjecture here.

Seriously what's going on Vash. You used to be calm and actually have reasonable/coherent things to say. Something has changed. I'm not trying to be mean. Im genuinely concerned.
Not that i care, but you're ruining the already stupid (IMO) thread. I typically don't respond directly to anything you say anymore because I don't want to read

GIANT WALLS OF TEXT WHICH SOUND LIKE YOU ARE YELLING BECAUSE YOU THINK YELLING WILL PROVE YOUR POINT MORE THAN PROVIDING FACTUAL EVIDENCE

LIKE YOUVE ACTUALLY ATTEMPTED ANYTHING IN THE MAPS PAPER WHICH I DOUBT YOU HAVE OR YOU'D KNOW THERE ARE SERIOUS PROBLEMS WITH IT

OR MAYBE YOU JUST THINK GIANT WALLS OF CAPITALS MAKES PEOPLE TAKE YOU MORE SERIOUSLY OR SOMETHING.

IT DOESN'T MEHDMA MEHDMA MEHDMA MEHDMA MEHDMA MEHDMA

I ASSURE YOU IT DOES NOT.

MEHDMA MEHDMA MEHDMA MEHDMA MEHDMA MEHDMA FULL MELT POLYMORPH MEHDMA MEHDMA

(this is how you come off Vash.)



Technically this is violating BULA by providing sources plz @Esperighanto do something.


Thank god I'm not not at your level or I'd check myself into a hospital. Don't expect another response from me anytime soon after this. I don't want to encourage you.


Also. anyone trying to recrystallize MDMA in pure acetone is fuc&*%ng idiot... Sorry not sorry to be rude. You exposing yourself as someone who doesn't know shit.
MDMA-HCL is virtually and practically insoluble in Acetone. I doubt you could crystallize a gram in a liter of acetone. Tho I've not tried, because I'm not stupid. You CAN recrystallize it in boiling anhydrous isopropyl at 1g to 19mL, which still isn't great solubility.

You think people recrystallize 1kg in 1000L? give me a fuc*%ng break.

Literally blocking you and I reserve that for people who talk out of their ass constantly or are going through severe psychosis.



Sorry man I should have responded directly to this. THCA is 100% THCA. It's not THC until you decarboxylate it with heat which converts THCA into THC. You are correct that heating 100mg of THCA converts to 87mg of THC and 13mg of CO2 which goes into the atmosphere. Nothing is lost in chemistry/physics. Law of conservation. Try eating 100mg THCa and you probably won't even feel it. Eat 87mg of THC and you'll be on your ass.

Thanks for letting me know about this Vash nonsense, this entire thread I honestly need to devote maybe 15-20 hours to cleaning up, it's been something I've been putting off until I feel I have the energy to perform a Herculean feat like that, but I fear that I may never feel like it's the right time so I'm just going to start, and see how far I get.

@vash445 I don't know why you let strangers on the internet trigger you so intensely but please, for fuck's sake just be calm. If you have something to prove chemically, the burden of proof is on the positive statement and should be backed up by material evidence. If you have material evidence to sustain your arguments, feel free to post about it, otherwise I'm growing very sick of your countless attempts to incite or fund criminal behavior on this forum.